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  1. birdman_38's Avatar
    The Z30 was the last hardware misfire of the Thorsten Heins era, following in the footsteps of the failed Q5. It's something BlackBerry needed to contractually follow through with. There's been nearly no marketing of the handset and it's overpriced in relation to the specs.

    No manufacturer ever releases a new flagship with lower specs than the previous one. Certain parts of the community were hoping for a progression. The Z30 definitely was not.

    The only thing we can do is hope for improved successor to the Z30 but that's not on BlackBerry's agenda right now.
    01-26-14 09:03 AM
  2. lnichols's Avatar
    Coupled with the fact that moto X comes with a host of features that BlackBerry 10 can't do then it's clear to see that BlackBerry have become the new Apple. Charging more for less.

    Posted via CB10
    The issue is that BlackBerry doesn't have what Apple has in terms of an ecosystem,support network, retail presence, etc. With Apple you get all of that with your high priced devices, with BlackBerry you do not. Also People like to badmouth the 5s specs, but here are some things to think about:

    - First 64 bit mobile processor and OS implemented on a mobile device.

    - Processor designed in house,not a COTS solution like everyone else.

    With Apple you pay a premium and get a premium device, support, etc. BlackBerry with the Z30, and the Z10 when it was introduced, are giving you a middle range device based on the internal components, with no dedicated support network, weak app catalog, and want you to pay premium for it. I think the sales numbers for all BB10 devices have shown how well this strategy has been received and working.

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    01-26-14 09:04 AM
  3. deptech's Avatar
    The 300ppi number is highly disputed. A lot of studies say the "retina" number is higher. I can see pixels from a foot away on the Z30. And it makes it worse if you ever find yourself using your phone a bit closer.

    Photo a Day Channel: C002B5A07
    That is not true, you cannot see pixels from a foot away, that is physically impossible, @295 ppi, each pixel is .003" square or .086 mm. As I write this, looking at the text on my Z30 screen, from any distance, I can't see any pixels.

    Z30 on 2.2.1.1925 in Canada
    01-26-14 09:19 AM
  4. ajst222's Avatar
    That is not true, you cannot see pixels from a foot away, that is physically impossible, @295 ppi, each pixel is .003" square or .086 mm. As I write this, looking at the text on my Z30 screen, from any distance, I can't see any pixels.

    Z30 on 2.2.1.1925 in Canada
    I can on a Z30. I can see jagged icons and I can see the pixels. As I said, the number is disputed. And since I can see pixels, I don't think that 300ppi is the number

    Photo a Day: C002B5A07, my amateur photography Channel
    01-26-14 09:23 AM
  5. spikesolie's Avatar
    Smh how many people are really realistic here? You all are nerds face it! But the majority of people who are nerds have their requirements met by Android.

    Again I say, how many people before getting iphones really turn and check the benchmark scores for the chip set? Even if they did, most don't know what it is exactly measuring.




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    01-26-14 09:26 AM
  6. anon3230140's Avatar
    The Z10's screen is great but essentially a waste. Having the brightness turned up at all destroys the battery. What good is a screen that you can't look at for more than a few hours without it going dead? I'll take the lower resolution screen with great battery life over a higher quality screen that makes the phone a paper weight because of battery issues.
    Rubbish. Totally not a waste with the stock battery and most definitely not if you are smart enough have the 4500mah battery. Been off the charger since 6:43pm yesterday with heavy use and 95% brightness.. Still going strong. The phone ain't configured to read such a high capacity battery that's why it's been showing 0% for the last 4.5hrs.


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    Posted via CB10 on my Z mfk'n 10!
    01-26-14 09:27 AM
  7. deptech's Avatar
    I can on a Z30. I can see jagged icons and I can see the pixels. As I said, the number is disputed. And since I can see pixels, I don't think that 300ppi is the number

    Photo a Day: C002B5A07, my amateur photography Channel
    Your pupil is around 5mm in diameter, with a .083mm pixel a foot away, the pixel is sooooo small that it is actually a point, a point that is physically impossible to see.

    Z30 on 2.2.1.1925 in Canada
    01-26-14 09:32 AM
  8. amjass12's Avatar
    Your pupil is around 5mm in diameter, with a .083mm pixel a foot away, the pixel is sooooo small that it is actually a point, a point that is physically impossible to see.

    Z30 on 2.2.1.1925 in Canada
    Where can I get this 2.2.1.1925?

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    01-26-14 09:43 AM
  9. ajst222's Avatar
    Your pupil is around 5mm in diameter, with a .083mm pixel a foot away, the pixel is sooooo small that it is actually a point, a point that is physically impossible to see.

    Z30 on 2.2.1.1925 in Canada
    You're just listing facts that mean nothing. You know that the true number in 900ppi, not 300ppi.

    Photo a Day: C002B5A07, my amateur photography Channel
    01-26-14 09:48 AM
  10. deptech's Avatar
    Where can I get this 2.2.1.1925?

    Posted via CB10
    http://forums.crackberry.com/showthread.php?t=896769

    Here is a link on the install process, if your not in a hurry the new OS release is due out next week.

    Z30 on 2.2.1.1925 in Canada
    01-26-14 09:53 AM
  11. deptech's Avatar
    You're just listing facts that mean nothing. You know that the true number in 900ppi, not 300ppi.

    Photo a Day: C002B5A07, my amateur photography Channel
    Facts are truth....they mean everything.

    Z30 on 2.2.1.1925 in Canada
    01-26-14 09:55 AM
  12. kbz1960's Avatar
    I think when someone who isn't a tech geek or fan of anything goes to look at new phones and is shown what is available most won't even be shown a BBRY and the sales person will talk about specs and ecosystems. If they even carry BBRY phones will the sales person even show it? Probably not because what do you tell the person is so great about it? Security that most don't care about? Then what? Unless someone actually asks for a BBRY and even then they try to steer you away from it.

    Specs and everything else aside BBRY needs to get carriers on their side and the big box stores. Even BBRY themselves have decided not to market to consumers right now, why is that? Why would they make that decision unless they know that they just can't compete at this time.

    Most of us would love to see BBRY make a comeback but its going to take consumers to do that. Otherwise they can do fine as niche player I think. But they will never be popular with consumers unless a huge security breach happens for a lot of people on other platforms. Or they can compete on all levels including support.

    I think the only lying one does to themselves on here is thinking that BBRY can compete right now with the competition. Maybe they can some day but for regular consumers right now they don't.
    01-26-14 09:55 AM
  13. ajst222's Avatar
    Facts are truth....they mean everything.

    Z30 on 2.2.1.1925 in Canada
    Yes, they're truth but that doesn't mean that they have to do with you saying I can't see pixels on the Z30. It's like saying "these boots are leather with 600 gram insulation so there's no way they're a size 9". They're facts but you can't make that conclusion from them.

    Photo a Day: C002B5A07, my amateur photography Channel
    01-26-14 10:02 AM
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    01-26-14 10:14 AM
  15. extisis's Avatar
    Yes, they're truth but that doesn't mean that they have to do with you saying I can't see pixels on the Z30. It's like saying "these boots are leather with 600 gram insulation so there's no way they're a size 9". They're facts but you can't make that conclusion from them.

    Photo a Day: C002B5A07, my amateur photography Channel
    you lost me at boots
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    01-26-14 10:16 AM
  16. avt123's Avatar
    Rubbish. Totally not a waste with the stock battery and most definitely not if you are smart enough have the 4500mah battery. Been off the charger since 6:43pm yesterday with heavy use and 95% brightness.. Still going strong. The phone ain't configured to read such a high capacity battery that's why it's been showing 0% for the last 4.5hrs.


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    Posted via CB10 on my Z mfk'n 10!
    It's not "rubbish". Battery life is one of the worst if not the worst thing about the Z10. My Z10 barely lasts through a work day, and that is with me not using the device as much as I am able to with others. This is with me keeping the brightness at around 25% at all times.

    Smart enough to have a larger battery? Smart enough is buying a device that will last through the day STOCK. People expect these things out of the box, and many do not want to go out and buy more things to make their device work properly.
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    01-26-14 10:22 AM
  17. iN8ter's Avatar
    Do I need quad or octo cores?
    Well, it'd be nice to have it..
    But I don't see my device lagging with only this...


    Attachment 241537

    Was all the memory left in my phone.
    Can an android with similar specs with a Z30 still work without lag with only this is all free memory left?
    I doubt it.. but then, I could be wrong.

    Posted via Awesome Astro flying10.2.1.1925 on CB10. For a regular dose of Quotes, subscribe C001190A9 .
    Given there were tons of Android flagships that ran JB 4.1.2-4.2.2 with only 1GB RAM I'm going to go with: "You're wrong."

    Also, I don't think any Google Apps on Android are coded so terribly and bloated that things like Hangouts (even with SMS Enabled) are using over 170MB RAM, the Phone App 80MB, and PIM Services over 100MB. That just doesn't happen on Android devices.

    Blackberry's developers need to do something about the amount of bloat in their code. It was immediately noticeable when they ported BBM to Android, as the app was using more RAM than anything else on my device except System - even more than other IM clients that did 3x more than it did.
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    01-26-14 10:25 AM
  18. ajst222's Avatar
    you lost me at boots
    It's an analogy...you know...taking the same scenario and putting it into a different context for comprehensive purposes. I just used boots as I was looking at boots. Maybe if you put into perspective...
    01-26-14 10:25 AM
  19. ajst222's Avatar
    Rubbish. Totally not a waste with the stock battery and most definitely not if you are smart enough have the 4500mah battery. Been off the charger since 6:43pm yesterday with heavy use and 95% brightness.. Still going strong. The phone ain't configured to read such a high capacity battery that's why it's been showing 0% for the last 4.5hrs.

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    Posted via CB10 on my Z mfk'n 10!
    You keep bringing up your 4500mAh battery and that's great and all, except the stock battery which is what the very large percentage of Z10 users are using is only 1800mAh. Most people stick with what's stock. Plus the 4500mAh battery thickens the phone quite a bit.
    01-26-14 10:30 AM
  20. extisis's Avatar
    Rubbish. Totally not a waste with the stock battery and most definitely not if you are smart enough have the 4500mah battery. Been off the charger since 6:43pm yesterday with heavy use and 95% brightness.. Still going strong. The phone ain't configured to read such a high capacity battery that's why it's been showing 0% for the last 4.5hrs.


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    Posted via CB10 on my Z mfk'n 10!
    you're saying you have a non-BB aftermarket chinese battery in your phone? wait for it to blow up in 3..... 2.....
    01-26-14 10:34 AM
  21. extisis's Avatar
    It's an analogy...you know...taking the same scenario and putting it into a different context for comprehensive purposes. I just used boots as I was looking at boots. Maybe if you put into perspective...
    i know man. just proving that you're taking this a bit too seriously
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    01-26-14 10:35 AM
  22. donnation's Avatar
    Rubbish. Totally not a waste with the stock battery and most definitely not if you are smart enough have the 4500mah battery. Been off the charger since 6:43pm yesterday with heavy use and 95% brightness.. Still going strong. The phone ain't configured to read such a high capacity battery that's why it's been showing 0% for the last 4.5hrs.


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    Posted via CB10 on my Z mfk'n 10!
    I don't disagree with you, but I'd rather not walk around with a brick in my pocket which is what the Z10 becomes with a battery of that size in it. If we are talking stock battery and form factor, the Z10 is unusable for anyone who has moderate to heavy use on their phone for more than a few hours.

    Also, with the phone not being able to read how much battery I have left am I supposed to just guess and hope it has power? No thanks and also no thanks to buying some battery from China that may or may not destroy my phone.
    Last edited by donnation; 01-26-14 at 10:52 AM.
    01-26-14 10:40 AM
  23. ajst222's Avatar
    i know man. just that proving you're taking this a bit too seriously
    Boot analogies sometimes are needed to prove points Lol. Plus it did offer a nice diversion for deptech to ignore the 900ppi bit.
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    01-26-14 10:40 AM
  24. deptech's Avatar
    It's not "rubbish". Battery life is one of the worst if not the worst thing about the Z10. My Z10 barely lasts through a work day, and that is with me not using the device as much as I am able to with others. This is with me keeping the brightness at around 25% at all times.

    Smart enough to have a larger battery? Smart enough is buying a device that will last through the day STOCK. People expect these things out of the box, and many do not want to go out and buy more things to make their device work properly.
    It appears to me that your display, standby, and system are too high, my display is at 7.4%, standby is at 0.83%, and system is at 0.74%. The standby seems especially odd.

    Z30 on 2.2.1.1925 in Canada
    01-26-14 10:45 AM
  25. donnation's Avatar

    EDIT: Another example that came to mind: back when the Z10 was released, it had a higher PPI than the iPhone 5 and everyone talked about that as a pro saying how the screen was better. But now that the Z30 has a significantly lower PPI than the competition it suddenly makes no difference.

    Photo a Day Channel: C002B5A07, my amateur photo Channel
    This is the world of Crackberry. "Touchscreen keyboards are useless" - BlackBerry releases the Storm and suddenly touchscreens have some use.

    "A phone without a removable battery is junk" - BlackBerry releases the Z30 and it's OK all of a sudden to not have removable batteries in phones.
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    01-26-14 10:46 AM
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