BlackBerry planning to shut down handset-making business or not?
- I've read in some articles that John Chen has no plans in shutting down its smartphone making business, like so in this article:
BlackBerry handset division future: company will still make phones | BGR
But I saw another one that they may focus more on the software rather than devices, and later focus on getting out of the device production, like this recent article:
APPY Geek
So which is it? I know that this is to early to tell, as John Chen is not even two minutes on the CEO seat, but two different articles stating the opposite is just something to notice right? So which statement is really the most accurate?
I'm really interested with this one, as shutting down their beautiful devices is much too horrid to think about
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11-04-13 05:13 PMLike 0 - It's all conjecture at this point.
The most current public info is what John Chen said today.
Cliche, but only time will tell.11-04-13 05:16 PMLike 3 - diegoneiRetired Mod & AmbassadorYou really shouldn't be going to BGR for any serious news...
Answer is: not.
BlackBerry has no plans to shut down handset business | CrackBerry.com11-04-13 05:17 PMLike 3 - just_lucRetired Moderator
That said, it was announced that Chen is an interim CEO, and it remains to be seen what that means. Is he in the chair for s few weeks? A few months? Until they find the right guy? Or is he the turn around CEO who will remain until the company returns to profit, even if that's years and then exit with a big bonus? No idea as of yet.. and it's possible his successor could have different plans.. BUT I would think that statement was made today will the full support of Prem, the new chairman of the board, who both Chen and any potential new CEO will answer to.. so I believe the vision for the forseable future will be to maintain the handset division.
Posted via CB10popengchan likes this.11-04-13 10:14 PMLike 1 - They can't shut down the handset division. What are they going to do if they stop making handsets? Sell BBM? It's free. I guess they could go into the sticker and social game business like Line, but that's not going to happen any time soon. Survive on selling BES? Who's going to buy BES without any handsets? What else is left? The NOC? Stop selling handsets and where's that going? That business is already going down, but you stop making the handsets and it goes down even faster. Basically for BlackBerry, no handsets = no business. They just have to figure out a way to make money on the handset business, maybe take some lessons from the Chinese makers.Bluenoser63 and popengchan like this.11-04-13 10:28 PMLike 2
- They can't shut down the handset division. What are they going to do if they stop making handsets? Sell BBM? It's free. I guess they could go into the sticker and social game business like Line, but that's not going to happen any time soon. Survive on selling BES? Who's going to buy BES without any handsets? What else is left? The NOC? Stop selling handsets and where's that going? That business is already going down, but you stop making the handsets and it goes down even faster. Basically for BlackBerry, no handsets = no business. They just have to figure out a way to make money on the handset business, maybe take some lessons from the Chinese makers.
What's the alternative becoming an android handset vendor?JeepBB likes this.11-05-13 04:19 AMLike 1 -
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However the fact remains bb10 is practically dead. What is the alternative?
Bb11? Blackberry no longer commands the resources for such an endeavor.11-05-13 04:37 AMLike 2 - On the one hand, you have a BBRY executive saying one thing. As we all know, everything every BBRY executive has ever said has turned out to be the truth and nothing but the truth.
On the other hand, you have the opinions of various analysts to the contrary, as reflected in this AP wire story:
News from The Associated Press
Of course, the analysts have all been wrong about BBRY given the incredible success of BB10 in the marketplace and all of the developers clamoring to get into BB World.
Cue the Squircle of Denial: "But, but $1 billion!" "But, but BBM!"
The Z30 is the end of the line, IMHO.11-05-13 06:09 AMLike 5 - WP7 was dead too. WP8 was too until recently. It would take much more resources to throw away BB10 and start over.11-05-13 06:11 AMLike 0
- On the one hand, you have a BBRY executive saying one thing. As we all know, everything every BBRY executive has ever said has turned out to be the truth and nothing but the truth.
On the other hand, you have the opinions of various analysts to the contrary, as reflected in this AP wire story:
News from The Associated Press
Of course, the analysts have all been wrong about BBRY given the incredible success of BB10 in the marketplace and all of the developers clamoring to get into BB World.
Cue the Squircle of Denial: "But, but $1 billion!" "But, but BBM!"
The Z30 is the end of the line, IMHO.treidnote likes this.11-05-13 06:12 AMLike 1 - These reporters just have to chill out and let the news come out over a few days. They think because they have been doing this for years maybe months, most a few days, that they are god's gift to world of blackberry news. It drives me insane how much crap is written on nothing about blackberry. You want news, hear it from the CEO and public interview from blackberry.11-05-13 06:17 AMLike 0
- These reporters just have to chill out and let the news come out over a few days. They think because they have been doing this for years maybe months, most a few days, that they are god's gift to world of blackberry news. It drives me insane how much crap is written on nothing about blackberry. You want news, hear it from the CEO and public interview from blackberry.
Don't blame the media for BlackBerry 's continued lack of media relations. They choose to be silent and now they must cope with the outcome.11-05-13 07:57 AMLike 0 - I think you don't understand that there are people buying the phones. We have a kinds of Z10s, Q10s and now a Z30 in our company. Just because it isn't selling in the tens of millions, it doesn't mean it is a failure. If Blackberry has to limit production to meet demand and make money, then that is a goal to try and achieve.toneytone likes this.11-05-13 08:02 AMLike 1
- I think you don't understand that there are people buying the phones. We have a kinds of Z10s, Q10s and now a Z30 in our company. Just because it isn't selling in the tens of millions, it doesn't mean it is a failure. If Blackberry has to limit production to meet demand and make money, then that is a goal to try and achieve.
They lose money either way.JeepBB likes this.11-05-13 08:22 AMLike 1 - I dont understand your comparison.
Are you comparing Microsoft to Blackberry?
Just stop. No really. Stop. Microsoft spent more on advertising in the past two years than Blackberry is worth as a whole.
Microsoft is not comarple to Blackberry, not even if you want to compare one of Microsoft's Divisions to Blackberry as a whole, the comparison is **** poor.
Regarding Wp7; it isn't dead they transitioned to a different kernel. however Microsoft's can afford their mistakes, Blackberry cannot.
Who said anything about starting over?11-05-13 08:24 AMLike 2 - I dont understand your comparison.
Are you comparing Microsoft to Blackberry?
Just stop. No really. Stop. Microsoft spent more on advertising in the past two years than Blackberry is worth as a whole.
Microsoft is not comarple to Blackberry, not even if you want to compare one of Microsoft's Divisions to Blackberry as a whole, the comparison is **** poor.
Regarding Wp7; it isn't dead they transitioned to a different kernel. however Microsoft's can afford their mistakes, Blackberry cannot.
Who said anything about starting over?11-05-13 10:29 AMLike 0 - Because for BlackBerry in their current situation, there is no alternative. All of their other businesses flow from the handsets. Stop making the handsets, they may as well close the doors, turn the lights out, and call it a decade. The fact they went out and got another billion in financing says they're not planning to shut down operations any time in the immediate future.. Now, whether they succeed in their newest attempt at a revival is another matter entirely. I have very strong doubts about their long term viability, but they're not going to stop making handsets.
That's quite possibly something they could try. Other companies from Sony to Samsung to Lenovo have had varying degrees of success doing so. Look at it this way, at this point in time, what has BlackBerry got to lose?
As it stands in 2013, Android is very much a 3 factor race. The companies compete on hardware, on price, and name brand recognition. The one front where they aren't really fighting is software. Samsung is trying with all their added on software and services which most people commonly refer to as "bloatware." Their software for the Note 2 however, is actually very good, and I hear it's even better for the Note 3. Xiaomi claims they make all their money on software. BlackBerry could conceivably compete on the software angle by similarly offering their security and enterprise services on an Android version. Whether it'll be any more successful than BB10 is up for question, but at this time, it couldn't possibly do any worse.11-05-13 11:13 AMLike 0 - Blackberry doesn't make the hardware, so they need to order in large amounts to bring the cost/unit down in order to turn a profit. They're currently not selling enough units to make a profit, and limiting their production to meet demand will increase the cost/unit resulting in a loss.
They lose money either way.
When the Z10 was introduced, the Xiaomi 2 was out on the market for 3-4 months with similar specs and selling for about $300. Xiaomi was a much smaller company then. Their total revenue for 2012 was $1B. BlackBerry gets that from BES alone. Yet, Xiaomi managed to release a $300 phone with virtually identical specs at half the price of a Z10, and sold 200,000 of them on their website in 45 seconds. It's not economies of scale, it's gross misread of the market by BlackBerry believing they can charge significantly more than other smartphone vendors for their value added services. Obviously the casual smartphone user decided those services were not worth what BlackBerry was charging.11-05-13 11:32 AMLike 4 - Because for BlackBerry in their current situation, there is no alternative. All of their other businesses flow from the handsets. Stop making the handsets, they may as well close the doors, turn the lights out, and call it a decade. The fact they went out and got another billion in financing says they're not planning to shut down operations any time in the immediate future.. Now, whether they succeed in their newest attempt at a revival is another matter entirely. I have very strong doubts about their long term viability, but they're not going to stop making handsets.
That's quite possibly something they could try. Other companies from Sony to Samsung to Lenovo have had varying degrees of success doing so. Look at it this way, at this point in time, what has BlackBerry got to lose?
As it stands in 2013, Android is very much a 3 factor race. The companies compete on hardware, on price, and name brand recognition. The one front where they aren't really fighting is software. Samsung is trying with all their added on software and services which most people commonly refer to as "bloatware." Their software for the Note 2 however, is actually very good, and I hear it's even better for the Note 3. Xiaomi claims they make all their money on software. BlackBerry could conceivably compete on the software angle by similarly offering their security and enterprise services on an Android version. Whether it'll be any more successful than BB10 is up for question, but at this time, it couldn't possibly do any worse.
Mdm, plus patents.
Also, Xiaomi just sell apple clones in China, can't see this model having much bearing on the global market.11-05-13 01:04 PMLike 0
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