BlackBerry-Maker RIM Left in �No Man�s Land� After Google�s Motorola Deal
- All these analyst are all over the board, they have no idea how things will work out. Most just want to sound important enough that there customers (the small guy) believe they know. One will say that company X has gone down due to the fact that a Goog take over is off the table, that same guy will say that RIM is up 10% because a takeover of RIM is now more likely. Wasn't Goog the most likely bidder of RIM. Its all BS and nobody knows. RIM's doing fine on there own!drjay868 likes this.08-16-11 10:33 AMLike 1
- The only way this affects Rim is if Motto makes the Nexus Prime. Which most likely wont happen, because the screen is rumored to sport an hd amoled screen. (Samsung) I personally think Samsung makes garbage products. If made by Motto this phone could ruin the colt.. without bes. **** it might ruin the iPhone5
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.comLast edited by West Coast Flavor; 08-16-11 at 10:42 AM.
08-16-11 10:36 AMLike 0 -
- I agree more with the Reuters point of view. This deal essentially creates second tier status for HTC, Samsung and others who use Android software. What's the point in building hardware to support software that's going to deem your product second best before it's even released? It won't take many online reviews or phone-to-phone comparisons for the general public to see that buying anything other than a Motorola/Android product is going to be second best. HTC and Samsung are grinning and shaking hands now because they don't have much of a choice, but you're crazy to think they aren't freaking out behind the scenes.
I think this opens up tremendous opportunity for Microsoft to brand Windows as the next..."Android" type OS that can be ported to any number of different devices. That said, I'm still not a huge fan of that mentality where it's one OS, a few different versions, many different devices.
Google and Apple will obviously continue to dominate the smartphone market for a while, but I think that as with any industry where you've essentially got a monopoly/oligopoly, consumers will eventually decide that they want something different and the competition will figure out how to capitalize on their unique strengths/consumer-perceived differences.
If RIM continues to invest in QNX, innovate, purchase smaller shops like TAT, grow its capabilities and patent log, and remains profitable, I think they will be just fine. RIM continues to grow faster abroad than they are here, which is something else to remember. They also do their own hardware and software, which I think is something of a competitive advantage.
A few years ago, when interviewed about a series of mergers and acquisitions in the automotive industry, as well as the fall of some of it's greatest names, one of the Japanese auto execs commented that he didn't see 2-3 main players on the world stage (as everyone else was predicting), but rather 5-6 companies that commanded most of the marketshare, with a few others pecking up the crumbs. Today, we've got Toyota, GM, Ford, VWAG, Hyundai/Kia, and to a lesser extent, Diamler Chrysler.
Sound similar? I think the smartphone/tablet/tech market will be much the same, if for no other reason than the fact that two juggernauts gobbling up 80% of the marketshare just hasn't ever proven to last long term in any major industry. People tend to get sick of only having two options. You'll either get tired of one or the other, have a bad experience and want to go elsewhere, or just want something different. It will be up to RIM to follow the market and respond appropriately, but I think there will be good opportunity ahead.Last edited by MPLexus301; 08-16-11 at 11:04 AM.
08-16-11 11:01 AMLike 3 - I agree more with the Reuters point of view. This deal essentially creates second tier status for HTC, Samsung and others who use Android software. What's the point in building hardware to support software that's going to deem your product second best before it's even released? It won't take many online reviews or phone-to-phone comparisons for the general public to see that buying anything other than a Motorola/Android product is going to be second best. HTC and Samsung are grinning and shaking hands now because they don't have much of a choice, but you're crazy to think they aren't freaking out behind the scenes.08-16-11 11:06 AMLike 0
-
-
-
ex. - iPhone only has one button in front. Simplifying it right? However, they are lacking the functionality that comes with the multiple buttons on say a Blackberry. The device is "dumbed down" in that you can no longer do these things, Apple says you don't need to.
another ex. - iPhone has no removable battery. Well now you don't have to worry about your battery either! Pretty simplified, unless you wanted to replace your battery, or remove it for any reason. But Apple doesn't see a requirement for you to do this, so it removes the function, effectively "dumbing down" the device further.
When you remove functionality so that it is easier for people to use without thinking, that is "dumbing down" the product in my eyes.Last edited by 01itr; 08-16-11 at 11:19 AM.
08-16-11 11:13 AMLike 0 - Semantics. Apple "simplifies" by "dumbing down" their product.
ex. - iPhone only has one button in front. Simplifying it right? However, they are lacking the functionality that comes with the multiple buttons on say a Blackberry. The device is "dumbed down" in that you can no longer do these things, Apple says you don't need to.
another ex. - iPhone has no removable battery. Well now you don't have to worry about your battery either! Pretty simplified, unless you wanted to replace your battery, or remove it for any reason. But Apple doesn't see a requirement for you to do this, so it removes the function, effectively "dumbing down" the device further.
When you remove functionality so that it is easier for people to use without thinking, that is "dumbing down" the product in my eyes.08-16-11 11:21 AMLike 0 - avt123O.G.And I still disagree.
ex. - iPhone only has one button in front. Simplifying it right? However, they are lacking the functionality that comes with the multiple buttons on say a Blackberry. The device is "dumbed down" in that you can no longer do these things, Apple says you don't need to.
I don't need a "back" button. I don't need an "end" or "call" button when it is built into the software. I don't need a menu button when I can just go into settings. What else are you trying to get out of buttons? Sounds like you are comparing it to a BB with a full physical keyboard worth of options. The devices are totally different.
another ex. - iPhone has no removable battery. Well now you don't have to worry about your battery either! Pretty simplified, unless you wanted to replace your battery, or remove it for any reason. But Apple doesn't see a requirement for you to do this, so it removes the function, effectively "dumbing down" the device further.
When you remove functionality so that it is easier for people to use without thinking, that is "dumbing down" the product in my eyes.08-16-11 11:29 AMLike 0 - Show me you running multiple applications side by side (ex. HD video running next to a youtube video)
Maybe you should read up on QNX too: QNX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Originally Posted by Kansas City MackOh, so Blackberry makes you "feel" smarter?
You are ignoring my comment. We are not talking about Blackberry, we are talking about Apple. Unless of course you have conceded?08-16-11 11:29 AMLike 0 - What can't you do? Long press is voice navigation. Two clicks is multitasking. One click is homescreen access. One click on the homescreen is universal search.
I don't need a "back" button. I don't need an "end" or "call" button when it is built into the software. I don't need a menu button when I can just go into settings. What else are you trying to get out of buttons? Sounds like you are comparing it to a BB with a full physical keyboard worth of options. The devices are totally different.
You are trying to tell me that you can do the same thing with that one button than you could do with the whole slew of options available via the Menu button??
You can still charge the battery and use multiple juice packs if you have to. I don't see how this "dumbs down the device". It just lacks a feature. Lacking a feature doesn't mean "dumb down".08-16-11 11:37 AMLike 0 -
- I actually think this is a good thing for RIM, I really do. Like a couple of people have stated already there is no way that only 2 or even 3 kinds of operating systems will exist. People like choice and only having 2 options is never going to work. I actually don't like any Motorola phones and I think their hardware is sub-par so if Google wants to tie their future to them I would think that RIM could care less. When RIM finally gets the opportunity to get QNX up and running like it is capable of I think that will emerge at the dominant third option in the marketplace. For some reason Windows phones never really seem to gain traction even though I know their new OS is pretty good.
What RIM needs to do now is focus on QNX almost exclusively. I know that they are making the bulk of their cash overseas right now but they have to realize that if they don't get these "superphones" out quickly and make them a hit then they could be in serious trouble. I for one think they are going to do it and that their best days are ahead of them.08-16-11 11:41 AMLike 0 - Show me you running multiple applications side by side (ex. HD video running next to a youtube video)
Maybe you should read up on QNX too: QNX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Fallacy: Red Herring
You are ignoring my comment. We are not talking about Blackberry, we are talking about Apple. Unless of course you have conceded?08-16-11 11:44 AMLike 0 - avt123O.G.
I have used BBs for 3 years, and Android for 2 and iOS for 3 years. Two of these OS have a menu button. iOS has other ways of doing things without a menu button. And to **** with a trackpad. I do NOT need a trackpad when I have full touch navigation. If touch implementation is done right, it is not needed IMO.
The fact that it removes functionality (being able to replace your battery), in order to make the device simpler (not having to worry about a removable back/battery) is imo dumbing the device down. There is no reason NOT to have a way to remove your batter yourself (without voiding the warranty of course). They don't like moving parts? Nothing moves unless you physically move it yourself... does that count? If so, then there are many things on the phone that can be considered "moving parts" (home button, volume buttons, silent switch, on/off switch, etc). Juice packs come with a removable straw (which can be swapped out for multiple hollow open-ended cylindrical apparati, something an iPhone can not be said to do.)
Great sarcasm. A juicepack is a case that has an extra battery in it for the iPhone. I believe it is available for other platforms as well.
I get things done just as fast on my iPhone if not faster than I ever got anything done on my BBs. It is just different. Same goes for Android.08-16-11 11:55 AMLike 0 - Google is going to have to make some hard decisions soon about android. The open source thing is cute and all and for guys like us that will root and install leaked or rom'd software its great. But they will never get into Enterprise or government, and they will struggle to get media deals. I see a fork coming where they leave AOSP at like v4 for the open source community and proceed with a hardened version running on Motorola hardware to compete more directly with Apple. Both RIM and WP7 Hve an opportunity if rhat occurs.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.comLast edited by The_Engine; 08-16-11 at 12:09 PM.
08-16-11 12:06 PMLike 3 - Great sarcasm. A juicepack is a case that has an extra battery in it for the iPhone. I believe it is available for other platforms as well.
No, I'm saying I don't need a menu button. What do I need out of a menu button on iOS? What benefit would a menu button have for me?
I have used BBs for 3 years, and Android for 2 and iOS for 3 years. Two of these OS have a menu button. iOS has other ways of doing things without a menu button. And to **** with a trackpad. I do NOT need a trackpad when I have full touch navigation. If touch implementation is done right, it is not needed IMO.
1) Respond (whether by typing/pasting/camera)
2) Edit (forward/delete)
3) Copy a whole message
4) Return to contact list
Whereas if I was using a Blackberry, I would have a whole slew of options to choose from in order to manipulate the data I have on the screen or do whatever else can be done via the menu (perhaps changing my profile?) I'm not too sure since I don't have a BB right now...
Regardless, I know that you CAN do things with your iPhone, but you can not say that there is the same, or more, functionality as a BB has. Here is a really simple example: File Management. How do I do that on my iPhone?08-16-11 12:07 PMLike 0 -
The things I am trying to say are:
1) The OSes power lies in its multitasking and ability to scale to work with multiple cores with ease
2) Apple has effectively removed some forms of functionality from their devices in a successful effort to appeal to the masses want to worry about as little as possible08-16-11 12:09 PMLike 0
- Forum
- Popular at CrackBerry
- General BlackBerry News, Discussion & Rumors
BlackBerry-Maker RIM Left in �No Man�s Land� After Google�s Motorola Deal
LINK TO POST COPIED TO CLIPBOARD