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  1. Emaderton3's Avatar
    I don't understand how it is playing a major role in health care. I am glad a few people are getting work done on 9900s but that isn't the norm.
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    04-11-20 11:07 PM
  2. idssteve's Avatar
    I don't understand how it is playing a major role in health care. I am glad a few people are getting work done on 9900s but that isn't the norm.
    To be clear, I'm not talking about health care itself. I'm not talking about phones used in health care. I'm talking about producing some products (NOT phones) that some health workers (and others) around the globe use. Potentially life saving? ?? Idk of anyone claiming it's playing a "major" role nor claims of "norm". The point is that it IS playing a role. At all. For good, solid, reasons.
    04-12-20 01:33 AM
  3. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    Exactly. Samsung's goal is to minimize licensing, and they have keyboard IP of their own already and could make PKB phones anytime they wanted to. They might not have the BB sculpted keys, but Samsung wouldn't care.

    The truth is, if ANY major company would consider a PKB phone, it would be Samsung, since they like to cover as many significant niches as they can. The fact that they haven't made a PKB smartphone in many years tells us that they have zero faith that they would sell well enough or draw users away from other brands, and therefore they aren't interested in PKB smartphones, regardless of PKB design.
    The only reason I think Samsung would partner with BlackBerry would be to license even more of their software and security IP to enhance their own branded offerings. Samsung doesn't need another brand name and would not be interested in offering a PKB for the couple of hundred thousand potential buyers who might buy it.

    Z10 = BB10 + VKB > iOS + Android
    04-12-20 12:51 PM
  4. Ashley Taylor's Avatar
    The only reason I think Samsung would partner with BlackBerry would be to license even more of their software and security IP to enhance their own branded offerings. Samsung doesn't need another brand name and would not be interested in offering a PKB for the couple of hundred thousand potential buyers who might buy it.

    Z10 = BB10 + VKB > iOS + Android
    Why would Samsung do that? They have KNOX
    04-12-20 12:56 PM
  5. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Why would Samsung do that? They have KNOX
    Right. Samsung, like any huge company, is going to do everything they can to actively AVOID licensing other company's IP and build their own, that they have full control over. That way, they don't have to worry about that other company having different goals, or not moving fast enough when responding to new issues, etc.

    The people who license products are people who either aren't good enough at that kind of work to do it themselves, or who lack the time or resources to do it themselves. That's definitely NOT Samsung - or Apple, or Google, or Microsoft, or Amazon.
    04-12-20 02:12 PM
  6. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    Why would Samsung do that? They have KNOX
    Very simply, tech companies cross license their IP all the time. Samsung and BlackBerry have already done at least one cross-licensing deal, and it's likely that some of that IP is already present in Knox. If BlackBerry has any IP that would make Knox better, Samsung would certainly be interested in it.

    Similarly, if Samsung wants features in the Hub+ Suite, they would license the IP without the brand and add it to their own products.

    You're absolutely right though that Samsung's ONLY brand for its mobile enterprise security solution will be Knox.

    Z10 = BB10 + VKB > iOS + Android
    04-12-20 05:34 PM
  7. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    Right. Samsung, like any huge company, is going to do everything they can to actively AVOID licensing other company's IP and build their own, that they have full control over. That way, they don't have to worry about that other company having different goals, or not moving fast enough when responding to new issues, etc.

    The people who license products are people who either aren't good enough at that kind of work to do it themselves, or who lack the time or resources to do it themselves. That's definitely NOT Samsung - or Apple, or Google, or Microsoft, or Amazon.
    This is actually the opposite of how most tech companies work. While they all try to develop and patent protect their own IP, they also aggressively cross-license it with each other to reduce the possible liability of accidentally violating patents owned by other companies.

    Typically tech companies will meet and agree to cross license the parts of their patent portfolios that overlap and agree to support interoperability where mutually advantageous. This is what BlackBerry and Samsung have been doing for years. They both felt they would gain from supporting each other's MDM services.

    Obviously there are limits to what companies choose to share, but most of the large tech companies have cross-licensed many thousands of patents with each other in this manner, with no money changing hands.

    For example, Nvidia and Intel cross licensed a number of patents son that they could both improve their products without risking a lawsuit from the other for similar technologies: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...ent_explained/
    Z10 = BB10 + VKB > iOS + Android
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    04-13-20 11:00 AM
  8. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Of course, cross-licensing is common WHERE both companies NEED something from each other. But Samsung doesn't NEED BB's PKB patents to make a PKB smartphone - the proof being the fact that they've made a couple dozen PKB smartphone models in the past. Also, this isn't the growth phase of the market, when people are more willing to spend money to quickly gobble up marketshare - it's the contraction phase following the plateau, where companies are trying to maximize profits and position themselves to quickly make bold moves (for industry leaders like Samsung) or to try to figure out how to break even and survive (or when to pull the plug) for companies that aren't near the top. No one is trying to take on unneeded licensing costs right now.

    As I said, Samsung could make a PKB smartphone anytime they want, but they haven't made one in about 7 years, because they see no advantage to it and plenty of disadvantages. At best, they'd poach their own all-touch sales if they offered a PKB, but wouldn't draw many from other brands, and with the projected sales being as low as they are, they'd just be adding a lot of liability for very little potential gain.

    The irony is that BB (and eventually BBMo) essentially worked hard to prove that the PKB was unsustainable, and the numbers and trendline couldn't be much worse for anyone hoping for future major-brand PKBs.
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    04-14-20 02:40 AM
  9. idssteve's Avatar
    Our world has changed. Tomorrow might not look like yesterday. Many of my company's clients are re-prioritizing in ways that were unfathomable just a month ago. NOthing should surprise, atp.
    04-15-20 05:37 AM
  10. 4ron's Avatar
    For sure I am hoping BlackBerry phones will live on with a new chosen manufacturer that will adhere to the high standards of design and quality the BlackBerry community desires.
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    04-19-20 05:39 PM
  11. idssteve's Avatar
    Q, Passport, Classic, Priv, K1, 2&LE ALL prove that pkb, by itself, is NOT a singularly viable recipe for market survival. Bold was the arguably last successful model to sport PKB. And that's likely the single most visually obvious of Bold's attributes. In photos, at least. Which seems to be the nearest post Bold designers ever got. It's certainly difficult enough to detect where ANY of Q's, and subsequent, design teams EVER truly held a Bold. Let alone truly use one.

    Yes, Bold had a fabulous KB. Arguably THE best ever fitted to a hand set. BUT there is SOooo much more to Bold. Starting with well implemented tool belt and track pad. SOME of us frequently enough EDIT what we type. Trackpad makes Bold (and to slightly lesser refinement, Classic) a wonderful editor, among many other things.

    Then, throw in single handed friendly compactness. THE big fail of oversized Classic, imo. Then add in a marvelously refined UX, optimized for Toolbelt/PKB.... To top off with swappable battery, convenience key, charging contacts, etc, etc, ... All impressively engineered into a sturdy package that stands unmatched for long term durability and repairability. This very 9 year old 9900 stills serves proof. I've changed countless KBs in 5 minutes while sipping coffee. New screens take about 10 minutes. New batteries take about 10 seconds!

    Yes, any fool looking at photos of BB's last profitable product might think PKB was ALL there was to replicate. Lol. Such incomplete "replications" led BB et al into oblivious oblivion. Imo. Fwiw.
    04-20-20 04:31 PM
  12. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    Q, Passport, Classic, Priv, K1, 2&LE ALL prove that pkb, by itself, is NOT a singularly viable recipe for market survival. Bold was the arguably last successful model to sport PKB. And that's likely the single most visually obvious of Bold's attributes. In photos, at least. Which seems to be the nearest post Bold designers ever got. It's certainly difficult enough to detect where ANY of Q's, and subsequent, design teams EVER truly held a Bold. Let alone truly use one.

    Yes, Bold had a fabulous KB. Arguably THE best ever fitted to a hand set. BUT there is SOooo much more to Bold. Starting with well implemented tool belt and track pad. SOME of us frequently enough EDIT what we type. Trackpad makes Bold (and to slightly lesser refinement, Classic) a wonderful editor, among many other things.

    Then, throw in single handed friendly compactness. THE big fail of oversized Classic, imo. Then add in a marvelously refined UX, optimized for Toolbelt/PKB.... To top off with swappable battery, convenience key, charging contacts, etc, etc, ... All impressively engineered into a sturdy package that stands unmatched for long term durability and repairability. This very 9 year old 9900 stills serves proof. I've changed countless KBs in 5 minutes while sipping coffee. New screens take about 10 minutes. New batteries take about 10 seconds!

    Yes, any fool looking at photos of BB's last profitable product might think PKB was ALL there was to replicate. Lol. Such incomplete "replications" led BB et al into oblivious oblivion. Imo. Fwiw.
    But was it poor replication, or just lack of interest to begin with? Even back then BlackBerry understood that users wanted slabs and that the PKB market was drying up.

    I get it... for you there was. But in the end, most the 80 Million BlackBerry users, and the billions of other new smartphone owners, didn't want a PKB anymore. And BlackBerry knew that, which is why they put little effort into PKB phones.... till that was all they really had. But selling four or five million PKB phones was never going to be viable.
    04-21-20 08:03 AM
  13. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    But was it poor replication, or just lack of interest to begin with? Even back then BlackBerry understood that users wanted slabs and that the PKB market was drying up.

    I get it... for you there was. But in the end, most the 80 Million BlackBerry users, and the billions of other new smartphone owners, didn't want a PKB anymore. And BlackBerry knew that, which is why they put little effort into PKB phones.... till that was all they really had. But selling four or five million PKB phones was never going to be viable.
    Even if BBOS was supported going forward, the PKB would still face the same image problem. BlackBerry would gladly keep BBOS running if the carriers would allow to continue and demand was enough for decent ROI on maintenance. Either way, as image challenged as the PKB the BlackBerry VKB is even more challenged.

    Too many people moved forward to Android/iOS while small and medium sized business were all too happy to support the BYOD model and still do for the lower cost due to lack of scale.

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