[Dave Bourque]

Well we already know the software testing will be done in India. Hardware will be done in China by Foxconn. The only thing that will be done in house is software development and I'm sure you only need 3 divisions for it. The three would be enterprise, consumer, and whatever BlackBerry Sweden is doing. I guess all the talk about selling off property I'd good then since you don't really need the space.

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Huh... they aren't using Foxconn within China.

Z10STL100-3/10.2.1.2141

[Blackberry_Boss]

Huh... they aren't using Foxconn within China.

Z10STL100-3/10.2.1.2141

Same shizzy different toilet lol.

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[Troy Tiscareno]

Huh... they aren't using Foxconn within China.

Actually, they are, at least until they get the new Indonesian plant up and running.

[sixpacker]

Finally someone speaks the truth and sense... there was no way that they would cut software guys...

Z10STL100-3/10.2.1.2141

Apart from the 250 in the wireless group...

[Grivel]

Actually, they are, at least until they get the new Indonesian plant up and running.

Mexico anyone?

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[milo53]

You should also be aware then that outsourcing is no panacea and often a false economy. As well as being morally bankrupt in exporting the jobs of your own citizens (and the future of your youth) it's often a disaster in terms of quality and company communication.
P. S I notice chens cost savings doesn't extend to relocating to Waterloo...

Certainly not cutting any Corporate Jet expenses. He has no intention of joining the team in Waterloo, does he.

[RubberChicken76]

So wait a second, who's designing BlackBerry 10 then?

An example of another sensationalist headline. BlackBerry has several buildings in Kanata, and then the QNX building in the other part of Kanata. There is no single "Development centre" like the headline implies

[RubberChicken76]

Sad news, Chen is going to strip down to fighting weight and sell what's left.

He told you this, did he? :-)

[RubberChicken76]

BB is closing Ottawa office.

Check here Maps - Canada

There are five offices in Ottawa/Kanata

[Irish Blues]

Outsourcing and offshoring are two different terms. The one you are speaking of is offshoring. Outsourcing just means work is no longer done in-house, but rather by another organization which may be cheaper, more specialized and more efficient. This other organization could be across the street or across the world. Offshoring means sending work to other countries typically for lower cost-higher skill labor and more rapid production.

Offshoring isn't a bad thing ... if it's relatively menial stuff that anyone with half a brain can do. It's also not a bad thing *if* it frees up resources to do more productive stuff. My company is offshoring a lot of the menial stuff; yes, some people are losing their jobs over it - but it's also part of a much-needed downsizing where we bought company after company and never consolidated operations along the way.

Ultimately, it's about the company being profitable. Blackberry can't get there if the plan is "... and we'll make sure everyone here still has a job doing ... something."

[Andrew4life]

Product development doesn't necessarily means phones only, it means any product made by BlackBerry, ie music gateway, bluetooth speaker, cases and so on.

FYI, the white portable bluetooth speaker was not designed by BlackBerry. If you look online, there was an infomercial for a product identical to the one that BlackBerry sells, sans the BlackBerry logo. I assume they simply contracted out the company to make that particular product.

Not to say that BlackBerry doesn't design any accessories at all.

[gregstaa]

What in Hades would India know about research & development? Seriously there no universities in India comparable to the University of Waterloo for graduating engineers and scientists who are leaders in their fields.

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I'm not sure what India knows about R&D, but the company they have partnered with that are based there seem to be quite experienced in working things out.

http://m.crackberry.com/blackberry-valuelabs

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[sixpacker]

I'm not sure what India knows about R&D, but the company they have partnered with that are based there seem to be quite experienced in working things out.

BlackBerry teams up with Indian based company ValueLabs for R&D | CrackBerry.com

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Look, India has zillions of talented engineers, fair play. The point is what commitment should a Canadian company have to its home grown talent (including recent graduates). Exporting local jobs for unproven cost and quality benefits is both niave from a business and social perspective.

[chalx]

Certainly not cutting any Corporate Jet expenses. He has no intention of joining the team in Waterloo, does he.

Everywhere is the same...

[Omnitech]

Actually, they are, at least until they get the new Indonesian plant up and running.

Hon Hai dba Foxconn has factories all over the world, including in North America.

[Omnitech]

The people that were let go in these recent examples seem to have been mostly involved in hardware engineering.

Yes, it would be nice if more of the hardware engineering were done in Canada. But I think they are doing what is necessary to leverage the Foxconn relationship to keep their costs down while they try to build revenue in the one area that they still have a chance to build in the near-term, which is their mobile management business.

It appears that they are hiring a bunch of people for sales and support roles for that division right now, which seems like a realistic choice of priorities.

I've said it before many times and I'll say it again: don't expect BlackBerry to be much of a factor in the device market in developed markets for at least a year or two while they hunker down and build some revenue elsewhere for a while.

[sixpacker]

The people that were let go in these recent examples seem to have been mostly involved in hardware engineering.

Yes, it would be nice if more of the hardware engineering were done in Canada. But I think they are doing what is necessary to leverage the Foxconn relationship to keep their costs down while they try to build revenue in the one area that they still have a chance to build in the near-term, which is their mobile management business.

It appears that they are hiring a bunch of people for sales and support roles for that division right now, which seems like a realistic choice of priorities.

I've said it before many times and I'll say it again: don't expect BlackBerry to be much of a factor in the device market in developed markets for at least a year or two while they hunker down and build some revenue elsewhere for a while.

Most of the 250 job losses in the wireless group were software engineers. I know, I worked in it.

[TGR1]

Look, India has zillions of talented engineers, fair play. The point is what commitment should a Canadian company have to its home grown talent (including recent graduates). Exporting local jobs for unproven cost and quality benefits is both niave from a business and social perspective.

I should hope BlackBerry grabs the best they can regardless of whether the talent is homegrown.

[sixpacker]

I should hope BlackBerry grabs the best they can regardless of whether the talent is homegrown.

This is not about talent, it's about theoretical cost savings.
Personally I care more about jobs for my kids and neighbours than making money for some faceless speculator.

[Omnitech]

Most of the 250 job losses in the wireless group were software engineers. I know, I worked in it.

Perhaps you do. However the reports I read suggested it was the division working on hardware engineering.

Maybe you should call those journalists up and correct them then.

[trwallace]

This is all part of the previous lay off plan. Just as an example. How many people does facebook employ, That would be 5300. How many people does blackberry employ? Well after the last series of layoffs complete it will be 7500. So how much would facebook be worth in market cap. That would be 171 billion. how much would blackberry be worth. 5 billion give or take. So do you think they need to reduce manpower? That would be a resounding yes. unfortunately these were the people in the runup of blackberry in the good old days. When the budget was enormous and cash flow was coming in huge. So unfortunately they need to get back to a reasonable sustainable number. Sorry to see it happen because lay offs are horrible but its either that or the whole ship goes down. Yes they are still designing high end phones these werent the only people working on new handsets and R and D. Plus the lower end handset teams are going to be outsourced so obviously those teams would have to go. Hope to see a reversal of fortune soon but until that time comes a more realistic and sustainable team of employees needs to be used.

[Troy Tiscareno]

Hon Hai dba Foxconn has factories all over the world, including in North America.

I'm well aware - Foxconn made my original 1978 Atari 2600, and a bunch of other stuff I've owned throughout the years. They didn't just spring to life to build the iPhone.

But I'm going off of an interview that Chen did when the Foxconn deal was announced - he stated that the deal allowed Foxconn to build phones in China until the Indonesian factory was ready. His words, not mine.

[Omnitech]

I'm well aware - Foxconn made my original 1978 Atari 2600, and a bunch of other stuff I've owned throughout the years. They didn't just spring to life to build the iPhone.

But I'm going off of an interview that Chen did when the Foxconn deal was announced - he stated that the deal allowed Foxconn to build phones in China until the Indonesian factory was ready. His words, not mine.

I believe that is likely true since the Z3 device (aka STJ100-1) that passed Indonesia's telecom certification process was listed as sourced in China.

But I'd imagine Foxconn could shift production almost anywhere they wanted if they were so inclined, that's one of the reasons so many companies use them for manufacturing. They have a huge amount of manufacturing capacity all over the world.

[milo53]

He told you this, did he? :-)

Chen is a specialist in doing this, Sybase?

I have personally been instrumental in many sales.

This one is like a script, I think it will happen. IMO only.

Hope I'm wrong.