1. anon(55900)'s Avatar
    Hopefully this type of activity cannot occur on Blackberry, anyone know of this capability on Blackberry?

    Apparently Steve Jobs and Apple are more big brother than friendly as you can see by this article. Just like Walmart and it's old, buy American, all the while establishing itself as a major seller of foreign made goods.

    Apple patent could remotely disable protesters' phone cameras | ZDNet
    09-09-12 07:38 AM
  2. pantlesspenguin's Avatar
    IIRC, Apple has talked about doing this for quite awhile. I remember when they were talking about disabling cameras that were recording live concerts and movie screenings.
    09-09-12 08:17 AM
  3. _StephenBB81's Avatar
    This is Apples solution to not building cameraless devices they want to build 1 device and 1 device only.

    Many avenues they'd like to sell into are restrictive of camera use so Apple came up with this idea. is it big brotherish? no not really, it is a pretty smart idea. though I think it needs to work with more than just GPS locations
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    09-09-12 08:21 AM
  4. eve6er69's Avatar
    Well during riots the government pulls warrants to have rim shut down the servers in those areas so people cannot use BBm to further info to enhance the riots. I don't really see the difference.

    It's for the governments advantage. With free and open Internet you can say and do anything. There are a lot of stupid people out there that take advantage of it. Unfortunately because of them the general public has to pay with all these overwatch programs.


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    09-09-12 08:22 AM
  5. mikeo007's Avatar
    This is Apples solution to not building cameraless devices they want to build 1 device and 1 device only.

    Many avenues they'd like to sell into are restrictive of camera use so Apple came up with this idea. is it big brotherish? no not really, it is a pretty smart idea. though I think it needs to work with more than just GPS locations
    Well they do currently offer a cameraless iPhone, so this would be a change of strategy if it were the case. The potential to disable a camera is also no substitute (in the eyes of security professionals) for removing the camera hardware altogether.

    I think this is more or less just an extension of the current cell blocking technology we see becoming more and more popular.
    09-09-12 08:26 AM
  6. _StephenBB81's Avatar
    Well they do currently offer a cameraless iPhone, so this would be a change of strategy if it were the case. The potential to disable a camera is also no substitute (in the eyes of security professionals) for removing the camera hardware altogether.

    I think this is more or less just an extension of the current cell blocking technology we see becoming more and more popular.

    I have never seen the cameraless iPhone.. nor heard about it.
    In the first filings I saw for this technology for Apple it talked about camera restrictions in classified areas as a reason for the patent
    09-09-12 08:36 AM
  7. PedroBorgas's Avatar
    If the cause ias solid/altruist, these are sh...y and enfuriating news!

    If the riots are like English ones, were alot of people paid without any fault, then yes, something should be done!

    Its a mather of perspective, but all in all, i don't like their "possibilities"...

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    09-09-12 09:04 AM
  8. tmelon's Avatar
    Well they do currently offer a cameraless iPhone, so this would be a change of strategy if it were the case. The potential to disable a camera is also no substitute (in the eyes of security professionals) for removing the camera hardware altogether.

    I think this is more or less just an extension of the current cell blocking technology we see becoming more and more popular.
    Apple does not make a cameraless iPhone. There are companies that manually remove both cameras and resell the iPhone, but that voids the Apple warranty.
    09-09-12 09:16 AM
  9. mikeo007's Avatar
    Apple does not make a cameraless iPhone. There are companies that manually remove both cameras and resell the iPhone, but that voids the Apple warranty.
    You are correct. I read about the cameraless phones last year and thought they were an Apple offering. Turns out they're modified and resold by a 3rd party.
    09-09-12 09:45 AM
  10. hootyhoo's Avatar
    Hopefully this type of activity cannot occur on Blackberry, anyone know of this capability on Blackberry?

    Apparently Steve Jobs and Apple are more big brother than friendly as you can see by this article. Just like Walmart and it's old, buy American, all the while establishing itself as a major seller of foreign made goods.

    Apple patent could remotely disable protesters' phone cameras | ZDNet
    There were reports a while back that RIM was able to remotely remove some apps from users phones.
    09-09-12 09:48 AM
  11. _StephenBB81's Avatar
    There were reports a while back that RIM was able to remotely remove some apps from users phones.
    RIM is The perfect Big Brother Company, in the sense that they are watching everything, but really they only tell mom and dad if they are specifically asked questions, they don't tend to give clues, or give vague answers.
    09-09-12 10:46 AM
  12. jake_870's Avatar
    Well during riots the government pulls warrants to have rim shut down the servers in those areas so people cannot use BBm to further info to enhance the riots. I don't really see the difference.

    It's for the governments advantage. With free and open Internet you can say and do anything. There are a lot of stupid people out there that take advantage of it. Unfortunately because of them the general public has to pay with all these overwatch programs.


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    Not really an earth shattering concept. In Egypt they shut the internet during their 'situation' last year. In times of instability governments (all of them whether communist or democratic) read people's mail, intercept phone calls, and in extreme situations kill the phone lines and communications all together.
    09-09-12 12:15 PM
  13. YorkieRay's Avatar
    I have read a couple of times recently that if it is not a surprise announcement next week for iPhone 5, there will be a fingerprint reader in future iPhones.
    Add this to the recent allegations from hackers that the FBI holds a database of millions of Apple device IDs. Are you sure that you would want a device that can read your fingerprint with a possible direct link to the FBI?
    Another issue with the iPhone, is that sealed in battery. Is it really totally disabled when it is shut down? At least on a BB and most other phones you can easily remove the battery.
    Takeover may let Apple bring fingerprint security to its iPhone 5 | Technology | The Guardian
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    09-09-12 03:09 PM
  14. Canuck671's Avatar
    If you want to lose your mind remember this. Everything can be accessed, just a matter of the length on time it takes. Big Brother has been watching you for about a decade so far. NFR scanners can follow you thruout your entire day via your credit cards, debit cards and loyalty cards. You just have to walk thru the scanners at the stores, and by the way, most other places have them as well. I dont worry because I have little going on in my life that should interest anybody. What a boring job, to monitor my life. LMAO

    09-09-12 03:14 PM
  15. Donnee's Avatar
    Tin foil hats at the ready

    Depends what they do with the data at the end of the day, if it's used for what they say and no more then fair enough. If apple start sending hit squads out to steal people's organs or for experiments (see South Park) then questions need to be asked
    09-09-12 04:19 PM
  16. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    If you want to lose your mind remember this. Everything can be accessed, just a matter of the length on time it takes. Big Brother has been watching you for about a decade so far. NFR scanners can follow you thruout your entire day via your credit cards, debit cards and loyalty cards. You just have to walk thru the scanners at the stores, and by the way, most other places have them as well. I dont worry because I have little going on in my life that should interest anybody. What a boring job, to monitor my life. LMAO

    Exactly. Folks think they are less exposed to Big Brother because they carry BlackBerry devices? Ha.
    09-09-12 04:36 PM
  17. raino's Avatar
    There were reports a while back that RIM was able to remotely remove some apps from users phones.
    Correct. Here is a thread about one BB user's experience where RIM overreached and removed an app, possibly at the carrier's behest.
    09-09-12 07:15 PM
  18. nogutsnoglory's Avatar
    Jailbreak.

    That is one of the reasons I went back to android os; to root and hack the phone to take as much control over the device as possible. With all of the talented "developers/hackers" out there it is very easy and safe to root/jailbreak your device. So for those of you concerned with this type of development with Apple, just jailbreak your phone.
    09-09-12 09:00 PM
  19. hootyhoo's Avatar
    Correct. Here is a thread about one BB user's experience where RIM overreached and removed an app, possibly at the carrier's behest.
    Thank you! Great find. I searched but couldn't find that thread.
    09-09-12 09:46 PM
  20. eve6er69's Avatar
    Not really an earth shattering concept. In Egypt they shut the internet during their 'situation' last year. In times of instability governments (all of them whether communist or democratic) read people's mail, intercept phone calls, and in extreme situations kill the phone lines and communications all together.
    That's what I was trying to say. Was t saying it was amazing. I was saying all carriers have the ability to put you phone into paperweight mode.


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    09-09-12 10:04 PM
  21. jake_870's Avatar
    Face it, this is a Blackberry message board and the members are obviously biased towards blackberry. Its fine and its expected, so whenever they find one piece of information that portrays the competition in a negative light they capitalize on it.
    09-13-12 02:56 AM
  22. joski's Avatar
    Face it, this is a Blackberry message board and the members are obviously biased towards blackberry. Its fine and its expected, so whenever they find one piece of information that portrays the competition in a negative light they capitalize on it.
    Relax, sweetheart.

    I personally dislike what's described in the OP because I plain and simply loathe Steve Jobs. I don't owe another explanation aside from that, but if you want to believe that it's just fanboyism than so be it.

    Plus, you're making it sound like a much bigger deal than it is. These are just mobile devices... Not much to capitalize on except for the fact that within the last few years, it's substantially easier to watch porn while on the go.
    09-13-12 06:46 AM
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