08-24-11 12:12 PM
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  1. tchocky77's Avatar
    No. They can be sensationalist whether negative or positive. It's all about page views and ad revenue.

    If you note their more "positive" coverage coincides with RIM releasing phones that by any rational measure are very good for the BB fan base. Seems logical to me.
    But there's the problem. The "BB fan base" is dwindling/aging/dying out. They need to be releasing phones that will CONVERT the iPhone/Android users if they want to stay alive. They may be very popular in the third world, but those folks aren't going to be buying bolds.

    See RIM's decision to release a tablet that has to be "bridged" with a BB phone. How is that supposed to appeal to someone who has never had a BB device?
    08-23-11 10:10 PM
  2. Rootbrian's Avatar
    I just hope BGR ain't trolling with the name of their article. But If they truly say that, I think qnx will be wonderful.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    08-23-11 11:00 PM
  3. _StephenBB81's Avatar
    This is just idle speculation. How will QNX be so awesome?

    Look, there are things that QNX can't change about Blackberrys. If you want a keyboard, then you get a small screen. And with a small screen come complex menus, because you can't put buttons all over the UI. That's also why we haven't had touch screens, because they are not very practical on this kind of device.
    The Small screen isn't an issue for many, and "complex menu's" can be made better if RIM would take the time to make them intelligent, being able to assign hotkeys to menu functions would go a long way.


    And the complex settings aren't going to be all that different. With BES and BIS, it will just not look like regular account settings on other phones. Any simplifications RIM can do in those areas have nothing to do with the OS. Speaking of, it's interesting to hear that QNX won't even ship with BES support initially.
    They can do as they have with OS7 and raise the truncation limit, MAYBE give consumers the ability to manage it them selves *fingers crossed* Also for BES and the Sandboxing QNX can do there can be more options for applications contained on a device without network access via QNX over BBOS4-7.

    So what else do you expect from QNX...faster boot times and no need to reboot after app installs, maybe. The performance of OS7 is already excellent and we like it, don't we? I don't understand the excitement for QNX. It's just a long term investment for RIM.
    QNX finally means the Death of the JVM RIM has been using which has stifled their ability to have a large App developer following.
    QNX Will bring an entirely new Core, AND hopefully a newer UI (I'm hopeful for widgets) also the HOPE on my end is RIM finds a way to bring bezel gestures to the QWERTY QNX based BlackBerry.
    08-23-11 11:19 PM
  4. _StephenBB81's Avatar
    But there's the problem. The "BB fan base" is dwindling/aging/dying out. They need to be releasing phones that will CONVERT the iPhone/Android users if they want to stay alive. They may be very popular in the third world, but those folks aren't going to be buying bolds.

    See RIM's decision to release a tablet that has to be "bridged" with a BB phone. How is that supposed to appeal to someone who has never had a BB device?
    the Playbook does not HAVE to be Bridged, it just adds functionality,

    if All you want is a web device for wifi, that first in your pocket or small purse, the PlayBook was also a good option,

    BUT the PlayBook was developed as a tool to enhance you BlackBerry Experience, and to pilot RIM's Next generation Operating system

    RIM doesn't need to mass convert Android and iPhone users, they need to offer a Quality and attractive Alternative for those to defect to, and for the New people who get their first smart phones every year to buy into the BlackBerry Culture, those 12-16 year olds who get their first phones.
    08-23-11 11:21 PM
  5. sf49ers's Avatar
    But there's the problem. The "BB fan base" is dwindling/aging/dying out. They need to be releasing phones that will CONVERT the iPhone/Android users if they want to stay alive. They may be very popular in the third world, but those folks aren't going to be buying bolds.

    See RIM's decision to release a tablet that has to be "bridged" with a BB phone. How is that supposed to appeal to someone who has never had a BB device?
    a quarter before RIM added 5 million new subscribers, losing marketshare doesn't mean Blackberry userbase is dwindling but not growing at the rate of others.
    08-23-11 11:35 PM
  6. sf49ers's Avatar
    This is just idle speculation. How will QNX be so awesome?

    Look, there are things that QNX can't change about Blackberrys. If you want a keyboard, then you get a small screen. And with a small screen come complex menus, because you can't put buttons all over the UI. That's also why we haven't had touch screens, because they are not very practical on this kind of device.

    And the complex settings aren't going to be all that different. With BES and BIS, it will just not look like regular account settings on other phones. Any simplifications RIM can do in those areas have nothing to do with the OS. Speaking of, it's interesting to hear that QNX won't even ship with BES support initially.

    The silly EULA screens when launching apps for the first time, RIM can clean this up on OS7 if it wanted to.

    So what else do you expect from QNX...faster boot times and no need to reboot after app installs, maybe. The performance of OS7 is already excellent and we like it, don't we? I don't understand the excitement for QNX. It's just a long term investment for RIM.
    I think RIM will two OSes for a while, OS 7.x for curve series mostly for emerging markets, Full Touch, Slider Touch and Bold series (like 9900) will run QNX. I know OS 7 is damn good but Apps and developers are something which RIM needs badly and only QNX make that happen.
    08-23-11 11:43 PM
  7. blue81to's Avatar
    RIM's QNX phones are going to be amazing

    Wow. It seems like the media as a whole has taken BB Viagra and now their hard-ons are raging for RIM
    This is great news to hear, especially after all of the lay-offs. Hopefully the media's hard-ons will lead to more RIM jobs.
    08-24-11 12:48 AM
  8. sivan's Avatar
    QNX isn't bringing anything meaningful to the user. It's a long term strategic platform for RIM, if you're waiting to be blown away by it on launch day, forget it.

    Were you blown away by the Playbook? Didn't think so. You could put OS7 on it and it would do what it does now.

    And lastly, the JVM is an asset and it's very bad that it's going away. Developers hate working with C++, and hate working with a web based SDK or Air. Developers want to see performant and polished UI frameworks that are easy to program with. A web based SDK is easy, but not polished. C++ is overkill and a pain to work with, unless it's for games or graphics based applications. So in the middle, RIM isn't offering anything compelling. That's where the JVM could have been a good fit.
    08-24-11 03:16 AM
  9. Skeevecr's Avatar
    I can just see everyone's epeen swelling..now that the almight BGR actually has something good to say about RIM. All the "bgr is trash, clueless, garbage journalism" is going to fade into "Well if BGR likes it..it must be awesome amirite?"
    I would say an article like this that is just hype and speculation fits exactly with BGR being trash as they are using classic uk tabloid tactics, you have to build something up before you knock it down again.
    08-24-11 03:31 AM
  10. Skeevecr's Avatar
    BGR is far from a hater. He use to be addicted to his BB. Just because he showed the negative side of things doesn't mean he is hating. He called what was going to happen and begged for them to change way before the constant bashing by the media. Now they finally are changing and the site is showing recognition.
    They clearly were a hater as the site went well beyond rational criticism in order to drive page hits with sensationalistic articles, realistically they haven't changed, they just have one guy who likes to write positive articles to rile up the apple and android fanboys on the site now.
    08-24-11 03:35 AM
  11. Skeevecr's Avatar
    Now I appreciate the complements, this bugged me, if you go back to 2008 and compare HTC to BlackBerry, BlackBerry was head and shoulders above HTC in build quality, if you go back to 2006 again BlackBerry was head and shoulders above UTStarcom in build Quality,
    I think this is more about specs than build quality, but even then it overlooks the fact that the specs for the 9000 were more than competitive at the time.
    08-24-11 03:38 AM
  12. Skeevecr's Avatar
    Were you blown away by the Playbook? Didn't think so. You could put OS7 on it and it would do what it does now.
    It lacks some apps and features, but if you actually look at the stuff it can do then yes it could blow people away quite easily, things like the incredibly natural gestures and the great multitasking are very impressive to people when they actually see them in action.
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    08-24-11 03:44 AM
  13. Rello's Avatar
    ^^ I agree...

    no the playbook didnt necessarily "blow me away", but i believe its easy to see that it is a entirely different beast than the current BBOS. its potential is just beginning to be unlocked.

    People can say what they will but they will NEVER see a game like Dead Space on the BBOS. now that blew me away. that alone excites me for the types of apps that will eventually make their way to the platform. i cant wait to see QNX mature and what it will do for the next gen handhelds. QNX and TAT is a winning formula
    08-24-11 07:50 AM
  14. allengeorge's Avatar
    I really don't see how he arrived at his conclusion.
    "Bold 9900 has excellent build" ==> ??? ==> "QNX phones will be awesome!"

    It seems pretty weak to me to claim that the 9900's good hardware design alone is a sign of things changing within a company. When we see model after model that ups the build quality, and a string of polished OS releases and features that offer compelling new features, then we can make inferences like this...
    08-24-11 08:11 AM
  15. avt123's Avatar
    I think this is more about specs than build quality, but even then it overlooks the fact that the specs for the 9000 were more than competitive at the time.
    The negative news brought more views than positive for the time being. Just because you are showing what "sells" doesn't mean you are hating. The dude pleaded (Geller who runs BGR) with RIM to change their ways. That doesn't sound like a hater, that sounds like someone who gives a damn.

    Admit it. There was WAY more negative going around then positive. The positive was really small things that only BB fanboys would actually care about. At least small enough to no outweigh the negative press. And he wasn't the only one doing it. Almost every single blog not dedicated towards BBs and RIM went "above and beyond". Even major news companies, not blogs did this. BGR just happened to put up the biggest stories.
    08-24-11 10:43 AM
  16. Rickroller's Avatar
    It lacks some apps and features, but if you actually look at the stuff it can do then yes it could blow people away quite easily, things like the incredibly natural gestures and the great multitasking are very impressive to people when they actually see them in action.
    Those "incredibly natural gestures" aren't going to translate well onto an actual touchscreen smartphone..seeing's how most of those gestures are from the bezel.

    Same goes for the multi-tasking..I'm not sure how one would watch a video whilst working on a spread sheet on a 4" screen..

    Hopefully RIM can figure out a way to make it stand out from the crowd..thus drawing people back in..because that's what they need..to not only please the loyalists..but to bring back the defectors.
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    08-24-11 12:10 PM
  17. Jake Storm's Avatar
    Interesting coming from BGR's site. Those skeptical of BGR's intentions will intepret this to mean "pass on the OS7 devices just released."
    It just means JG has bought up a bunch of RIMM stock at $25/per and now wants to start pumping it up.
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    08-24-11 12:12 PM
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