BBID vs PIN: not happy about the change
- So if you had to register to use BBM would have been 1 less reason to try it,
That is the point I am trying to make, the Market is far more competative now in quality IM clients, and RIM is making BBM less attractive to the users who never have used it before
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.comnope i doubt it will. when it goes to other platforms its going to be stripped down so it will be as good as gtalk, yahoo or aim. Not one of my friends or family use BBM exclusively, **** only have 2-3 that have BBs anymore. Everyone is now on Android or iOS and i suspect this is a popular trend right now
I don't think it's a bad thing, but a user coming onto the BB platform would be inclined to try BBM...I mean why not? Now a days it's out there more than it was when we all first started using BB's which gives them the frame of mind to want to push users to the "Full BlackBerry Experience".
To a new user, this is just one little step in linking your email with your BB and bam, you're in. They won't see a problem with it because they've never known anything else. Us on the other hand will have no problem using it because it's what we use already!
Yea sure, I am the same way, I don't use BBM outside of personal friends/family/or certain other close associates I enjoy speaking with, but when it comes down to it, BBM is going to become more of a social platform and this is the first step.
I don't see the issue here...04-12-11 03:10 PMLike 0 - nope i doubt it will. when it goes to other platforms its going to be stripped down so it will be as good as gtalk, yahoo or aim. Not one of my friends or family use BBM exclusively, **** only have 2-3 that have BBs anymore. Everyone is now on Android or iOS and i suspect this is a popular trend right now04-14-11 04:59 PMLike 0
- i said 2-3 members, and actually we dont use BBM we use gtlalk or SMS since that is what the majority of everyone else has. So we actually prove the opposite of your point04-14-11 08:47 PMLike 0
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Also, I think the OP is not getting it right. As long as RIM ties the BBID to the phone the way Android and WP7 handle Google/Windows Live Logins, it will be fine.
The minute the phone boots up, you are logged in and there is functionally no difference. Pins are a bit... odd... anyways. It's 2011* and there are much more elegant solutions than cryptic PINs.
Also, they can still keep PINs, but if they want to move the BBM service to other platforms they will need an alternative method of accessing the services. Android, iOS, WebOS, WP7, etc. devices do not have BB PINs.Last edited by N8ter; 04-14-11 at 09:59 PM.
04-14-11 09:52 PMLike 0 -
- Seems trivial.. if you have a BB 99% of the time you're also gonna have an email address...or start out with the intent to create one. If anything, it'll cut down on the amount of people spamming their PIN's all over the place.. People will take more safeguards if it's related to an email account or some sort of PII.
I can't even begin to tell you how many people in the run of a day ask for their PIN to be removed because they decided to share it with someone they hardly knew and they turned out be shall we say, not so friendly and it's not even just on CrackBerry -- it comes from everywhere, people who shared it on Twitter, App World wherever.. once it's out there they have no idea how to get it removed.
And who knows, it might help make those not so friendly folks think twice about their actions as well.
As for the move itself, I think RIM will keep PINs for BBM, but they'll add BBID as a second option for people on other platforms. It keeps the simplicity of BBM for BB users, but lets non-BB users set up an account if they wish. Makes sense.04-15-11 05:50 AMLike 0 - Fully encrypted, better and more integrated functionality. I do worry about the security aspect. No way to clone a pin, or it would be extremely difficult. BBID could added to a rogue device easier I would think. I'll need to see the final implementation though.07-27-11 06:12 PMLike 0
- The pin system is absolutely stupid. In 2011 everything is tied into an ecosystem account. For me, it's gmail. So my contacts, calendar etc. are setup through my bb to gmail. Furthermore, moving from BB to BB and the pin system are a pain in the ****. I don't care what any of you say because some of you defend it and call it user error ("you're an *****" etc.). The pin system HAS to go in order for BB to remain relevant in TODAYs market with TODAYs consumers.
Sorry, but it's just the way the world is going. People are moving to other platforms because they are easy to setup out the box with an email address, everything is tied to the cloud and when they buy a new iphone or android (to an update or not) they sign in and it's all there that second.
To answer Tonis question, I am sure you have to and it's weird that you haven't because I DID have to set one up. Especially if I want to update FB BBM etc. I mean I have to sign in every single time to do so.07-27-11 06:17 PMLike 0 -
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com07-27-11 06:23 PMLike 0 - In todays app centered world...dontt you think just about eeveryone getting a BlackBerry will download at least oone app, or ttheme, or something from app world? Right there you need aa BBID. Then if you decide to play around with. BBM your covered.
On a side note, my sister just got a Curve from sprint, and she had no issues setting up her BBM...maybe because its an older device?
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com07-28-11 08:44 AMLike 0 -
- I don't think Pin is going anywhere, BBID will be used to change your contacts from one device to another, similar to how Blackberry Protect operated, you can restore a backup to a new device and retain all the info, even sms.
Unique pins have been generated in the past to non blackberry devices to use with blackberry connect.
BBID will just make things easier for all of us, don't panic.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com07-28-11 09:53 AMLike 0 - but you surely do know that the majority of BB users, like 99,9999% has a BB ID and 3rd party apps right?
and you do realize that RIM has to focus on whats best for them and the majority of BB users right?
on top of it, i dont see whats the problem
it takes like 30 seconds to create a BB ID and then you can use ur apps and maybe even try using any 3rd party application?
im planning on using about 45 on my BB 9900 (when it gets released)
there are quite a few awesome apps out there07-28-11 09:57 AMLike 0 -
- The pin system is absolutely stupid. In 2011 everything is tied into an ecosystem account. For me, it's gmail. So my contacts, calendar etc. are setup through my bb to gmail. Furthermore, moving from BB to BB and the pin system are a pain in the ****. I don't care what any of you say because some of you defend it and call it user error ("you're an *****" etc.). The pin system HAS to go in order for BB to remain relevant in TODAYs market with TODAYs consumers.
Sorry, but it's just the way the world is going. People are moving to other platforms because they are easy to setup out the box with an email address, everything is tied to the cloud and when they buy a new iphone or android (to an update or not) they sign in and it's all there that second.
To answer Tonis question, I am sure you have to and it's weird that you haven't because I DID have to set one up. Especially if I want to update FB BBM etc. I mean I have to sign in every single time to do so.
No other non-hardware ID system can do that. And though I realize why RIM is doing this, so that they can port BBM to other platforms I certainly hope they keep PIN's on the BB's as the primary ID and create something similar on all the other platforms, perhaps generate a PIN based on the IMED which is also a hardware locked number for every phone in existance.
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If you swap over from another device, the BB DM software does it for you.07-28-11 12:27 PMLike 0 - Really? Even dumb phones can use aim, wlm, yim, and google talk? (Those are all RIM applications on my phone.) I also have bbm, navigation through my carrier (third party, yes, but haven't activated it yet; I suppose that's why it doesn't show up on the third party applications screen), BlackBerry maps, the best device and media card data security available, a browser, and a terrific organizer. I think your dumb phone characterization is exaggerated just a bit ...
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07-28-11 03:25 PMLike 0 -
- actually yes many dumbphones can do most of those things. **** my razor has navigation on par with BB!07-28-11 03:37 PMLike 0
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