Is BB10 Really going "Android
- You guys used to be so on the ball with this stuff. What's going down?
BlackBerry lays off 65 developer relations employees - Kitchener-Waterloo - CBC News
This sucks for Native Developers, looks like BB10 may be going "Android" afterall? Speculation of course...06-24-14 01:09 PMLike 0 - I mean, now that they have "solved" the app gap with the Amazon Market Place, and are laying off their Developer Relations employees, does this point to them "giving up" on BB10 native consumer apps?
We know they are focussing on Enterprise again, and will continue to support Enterprise with Native Apps, but what is happening on the Consumrer side?06-24-14 01:19 PMLike 0 - I mean, now that they have "solved" the app gap with the Amazon Market Place, and are laying off their Developer Relations employees, does this point to them "giving up" on BB10 native consumer apps?
We know they are focussing on Enterprise again, and will continue to support Enterprise with Native Apps, but what is happening on the Consumrer side?
Posted via CB1006-24-14 01:24 PMLike 0 -
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If the androis app has an inherent flaw, does this not still constitute a security risk, even running on the BB10OS?
And what is the point of paying a premium for BB hardware with BB10 OS if they can purchase a less expensive android device in order to get the same ecosystem?sentimentGX4 likes this.06-24-14 01:25 PMLike 1 - Precisely my point. So for the budget concsious consumer, or the security conscious consumer, what is the benefit of going BB now?
If the androis app has an inherent flaw, does this not still constitute a security risk, even running on the BB10OS?
And what is the point of paying a premium for BB hardware with BB10 OS if they can purchase a less expensive android device in order to get the same ecosystem?
Posted via CB10mnc76 and Dave Bourque like this.06-24-14 01:33 PMLike 2 - Because buying such an Android device will also bring the cluster**** that is the Android OS. Remember--apps are optional to install, but the OS is not. And at least in 10.3, you have greater control on app permissions than Android >4.3 gives you.06-24-14 01:36 PMLike 0
- Please explain further? This is precisely what I am trying to understand. How is it handled differently, thus making it more secure?06-24-14 01:38 PMLike 0
- Could we please have all these hysterical ZOMG BlackBerry is going or should go Android threads closed and merged into one.
Posted via CB1006-24-14 01:41 PMLike 0 -
There's also no security permission customizations available for them. Zip, zero, zilch, nada.
I hate Android, I hate the UX paradigm and I hate the apps.06-24-14 01:43 PMLike 0 - This was a question based upon the layoffs of their Developer Relations employees, and how it impacts the Consumer side of the business. It has evolved into a discussion on the Security of Android apps on BB10 OS. Please, if you are not contributing to the discussion, do not comment.06-24-14 01:46 PMLike 0
- ThunderbuckRetired ModeratorI don't know how many staff were in Dev Relations, but it's worth remembering that BlackBerry is dropping two of their three development streams (Android and Adobe Air).
Given that, there's likely less staff required right there.
Posted from CB10 running on my awesome Z30 2B6927F706-24-14 01:46 PMLike 0 - 06-24-14 01:49 PMLike 0
- I don't know how many staff were in Dev Relations, but it's worth remembering that BlackBerry is dropping two of their three development streams (Android and Adobe Air).
Given that, there's likely less staff required right there.
Posted from CB10 running on my awesome Z30 2B6927F706-24-14 01:49 PMLike 0 -
Posted via CB10Last edited by goku_vegeta; 06-25-14 at 02:29 PM.
06-24-14 01:52 PMLike 0 - I've been curious about this. BB10 users of android apps will be given the ability to selectively grant permissions? I know that's not exactly what you said but, if this is true wouldn't there be a general demand for this selectivity from android users - putting aside the notion that android users don't care about privacy or security? And isn't this carte Blanche access to android users' "stuff" actually the payment for many android apps? Just curious.06-24-14 01:53 PMLike 0
- ThunderbuckRetired Moderator
Posted from CB10 running on my awesome Z30 2B6927F706-24-14 01:58 PMLike 0 -
So apps will either not work, as they are not given sufficient permission by the BBRY user, or you have to give up security to use the apps you want. Either way, it may eliminate the "app gap", but it does not necessarily improve on BBRY's app ecosystem...06-24-14 02:59 PMLike 0 - I've been curious about this. BB10 users of android apps will be given the ability to selectively grant permissions? I know that's not exactly what you said but, if this is true wouldn't there be a general demand for this selectivity from android users - putting aside the notion that android users don't care about privacy or security? And isn't this carte Blanche access to android users' "stuff" actually the payment for many android apps? Just curious.
Not quite the ability to selectively grant permissions (on a very fine level like in OS7 and earlier--if you're familiar with that system,) but something better than what existed before. Android users (well, the ones who look, so obviously not your average user) were the ones who first noticed App Ops in Android 4.3. Google then explained it as an experiment that was never supposed to get out and that the deeply buried menu actually did more harm than good, and promptly killed it in newer builds.
I am not sure how AO figures out which permissions can be toggled, but I do know that not every permission you're told about during installation can be changed.Genghis2k3 likes this.06-24-14 03:25 PMLike 1 - If BB10 was going to go full Android they would have joined the OHA, released a Google compliant phone, pre-loaded Google play, and skinned it like BB10. The Amazon deal to me was a vote of confidence for BB10 as an OS. They like it enough to keep it and augment missing apps with Android. In an interview on Bloomberg Chen even said that he wants to keep selling phones in order to offer an end to end solution to his enterprise customers. Going full Android makes this impossible. With time, if market share grows enough in the consumer space, Chen can take hard analytics to developers telling that that their app was downloaded from Amazon X number of times by a Blackberry phone and if they make a native version they can do these extra things and use it to make more money for themselves. If Android devs won't come to him via porting to BB World then he will go to them (smart IMO!).
In terms of security, I read in another thread that Google did add in the ability to manage app permissions but did not include it in their final build. Not surprised they did this as mining data is far more important to them then user security and privacy. In this same thread, one of the posters mentioned that BB would leave this function enabled in their Android runtime. So fingers crossed that we will be able to manage Android app permissions in 10.3.1.web99 likes this.06-24-14 03:27 PMLike 1 - http://forums.crackberry.com/android...ssions-932484/
Not quite the ability to selectively grant permissions (on a very fine level like in OS7 and earlier--if you're familiar with that system,) but something better than what existed before. Android users (well, the ones who look, so obviously not your average user) were the ones who first noticed App Ops in Android 4.3. Google then explained it as an experiment that was never supposed to get out and that the deeply buried menu actually did more harm than good, and promptly killed it in newer builds.
I am not sure how AO figures out which permissions can be toggled, but I do know that not every permission you're told about during installation can be changed.06-24-14 04:44 PMLike 0 -
Personally, I am definitely getting the impression that BB is giving up on native app development and is going to start pushing consumer apps towards the Amazon store. Lack of developer incentives from BB, compared to a great Developer program on Amazon. That's what I hear at least.
Personally, I don't like it and think it is all a big mistake. I don't have a BB for Android apps, and regardless of how good they are or how well it works I still think it is nothing more then a band aid on a broken leg.sentimentGX4 likes this.06-24-14 05:20 PMLike 1 - There is no consumer market, what don't people get.. The android runtime gives people that want a blackberry the consumer APPS from the amazon store. You have to remember the normal person knows nothing about sideloading or snap. Blackberry can't get even android developers to port their apps let alone make native ones. The amazon store is the stop gap solution for now.
Out of sight out of mind, the amazon store will be a simple click install done. It will take blackberry years to take another run at the consumer market again, if they bother at all..
You can still write native apps for it if you wish the same as you can for the dead playbook. The staff layoff is old news, and air and other coding is dead. You don't need to waste money or staff on a dead language.
Native apps will be enterprise based moving forward by blackberry. As the business side is the only ones that can revive them.
The consumer market screamed loud and clear they don't want one. A warehouse full of write down z10s and a carrier market that pretty much kicked them to the curb.sentimentGX4 likes this.06-24-14 05:48 PMLike 1
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