1. ChainPunch's Avatar
    Will RIM be making BB10 phones without a camera?
    08-31-12 06:04 PM
  2. redk's Avatar
    how do you figure? one of the big feautures revealed at blackberry world was the camera.
    08-31-12 07:16 PM
  3. trueredsoxfan_58's Avatar
    some corporations and gvts dont allow camera phones for security
    08-31-12 08:15 PM
  4. _StephenBB81's Avatar
    @ChainPunch, I suspect that the NO Camera option will come if demanded, but software to lock out access to the camera, and cases required to cover the camera are more likely going to happen, governments are looking to use more "off the shelf" products so policies will be in place to not require the removal of the Camera.
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    08-31-12 08:18 PM
  5. kfh227's Avatar
    Interesting comment but most corporations don't care about cameras.

    But I know what you mean. my USA employer doesn't allow cameras. however, nail polish covering the camera lens is sufficient to make it acceptable. Not to say that I have or have not seen management walking around with fully enabled cameras on their phones.

    My company is cheap though. They won't take action till an audit finds a deficiency.
    09-01-12 12:50 AM
  6. BBPandy's Avatar
    Highly secure companies & Government Agencies (Like the Isrealie Military) require that the phones come with no camera. They don't want to be policing to see if the nail polis is realy covering the camera lens ect.However these cases are in the minority. I suspect that RIM will have that option availiable direct from RIM for Large order customers.
    09-01-12 01:26 AM
  7. kfh227's Avatar
    Highly secure companies & Government Agencies (Like the Isrealie Military) require that the phones come with no camera. They don't want to be policing to see if the nail polis is realy covering the camera lens ect.However these cases are in the minority. I suspect that RIM will have that option availiable direct from RIM for Large order customers.
    They won't mass produce them that way so they'd have to be removable post production. That might not be cheap. It would be smart if RIM streamlined the camera removal somehow so it is cheap for them to do, even if manually one at a time.
    09-02-12 06:53 PM
  8. kill_9's Avatar
    An IT policy on the BlackBerry Enterprise Server can disable the camera and this cannot be overridden by the user. It is amazing that the same organizations which ban smartphone cameras do not ban USB thumb drives or worse allow data to be stored on unencrypted notebook computers that frequently are stolen or misplaced leading to the release of confidential information about bank accounts, health records, etc.
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    09-03-12 05:55 PM
  9. grahamf's Avatar
    RIM has always had cameraless blackberrys. They will continue to do so with BB10, but you'll probably never see one unless your company orders them from the carrier.
    09-03-12 06:24 PM
  10. ChainPunch's Avatar
    It depends on the company or agency, some do an overall ban which include cameras on phones, usb drives, preventing network copiers from being able to send to email addresses, etc. and then you have others that would like to ban more than just camera phones but can not because of someone in a higher level position that says no to it.

    With the government in the cutting cost mode these days, I was wondering about non-camera option with BB10 phones because I think RIM has been the only smartphone maker that has provided the non-camera options in the past.
    09-03-12 06:27 PM
  11. EchoTango's Avatar
    Why do you guys always fall for this ????

    5 posts.....5 posts !!

    Geesh !
    09-03-12 06:52 PM
  12. raino's Avatar
    Why do you guys always fall for this ????

    5 posts.....5 posts !!

    Geesh !
    If you're trying to imply this is a troll thread--no. It's a legit question.

    When I bought my 9780, my carrier had both versions, and IIRC, the camera-less model was at most $100 cheaper. At that time I didn't understand why someone would buy this non-5MP camera version, but when I had to go inside a US federal government building, where they were screening for camera phones, it made sense to me.
    09-03-12 07:31 PM
  13. Alex_Hong's Avatar
    My carrier almost always carries non camera variants of BlackBerry devices. From Bold 9000, 9700, 9780, and recently the Curve 9360. I can even find used Bold 9930 in the used phone market even though my country uses GSM, because it comes in non camera variant.

    There is definitely a market for it, its just a small one. In my country we have mandatory national service, which most would end up in the army, which doesn't allow image capturing device of any sort in most installations. Most of the servicemen uses BlackBerry.

    Though there is a recent change of policy which loosened the restrictions. Which i suspect will probably mean less people will be using BB.

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    Anyway, back on point, i do see RIM making a version of BB10 without a camera. Or at least i think they will continue to serve that market.
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    09-03-12 08:09 PM
  14. audiosupernova's Avatar
    Why do you guys always fall for this ????

    5 posts.....5 posts !!

    Geesh !
    Completely legit question.

    I work for a major corporation(50,000+ employees) dealing with Navy contracts, and the company mandates a no-camera policy on all company property. They don't allow "disabled cameras"; in other words, even if the camera has been physically removed, if the device even shipped with a camera, it's not allowed.

    And just for your information, yes, they do regular security audits, and searches of employee personal property entering company premises, and leaving the building. Worst case scenario, we had security checking people a couple of times a week. Camera phones are ALWAYS confiscated, and in some cases, employees were fired due to having them, even if no foul play was suspected. Some people were just written up (depends on prior offenses, and company standing).

    I currently rock a NON-CAMERA Bold 9930 on Sprint. I am another customer very interested in Non-Camera BB10 devices. The entire executive branch of the company runs on Non-Camera 9930's they recently upgraded to.
    09-04-12 10:42 PM
  15. trsbbs's Avatar
    Why do you guys always fall for this ????



    5 posts.....5 posts !!



    Geesh !
    I agree. Legit question regardless of the number posts they have.

    Double geesh!

    Tim

    Sent from my BlackBerry 9850
    09-04-12 10:55 PM
  16. LoganSix's Avatar
    I currently rock a NON-CAMERA Bold 9930 on Sprint. I am another customer very interested in Non-Camera BB10 devices. The entire executive branch of the company runs on Non-Camera 9930's they recently upgraded to.
    Ditto.
    We aren't a large company, but our 800 service tech's require non-camera phones and we just put a bunch on the 9930s because they are so much better than the older phones.
    09-05-12 07:51 AM
  17. 240zron#CB's Avatar
    I work on several naval bases that have a lot of areas that are classified top secret. In order to get in the area your vehicle and personal property are always inspected. On all these bases they require that the phone has to have come from the factory with out a camera. If someone gets caught with a camera phone, The police instantly pull your badge and escort you off base.
    Last week the government emailed us telling us that they will allow us to use camera phones in classified area's if we drill a small hole in the lens and fill the lens with epoxy , then bring it to a office on base and have it inspected. If it passes, they will issue you a card to show to the base police that it has been certified. I don't know if all bases are allowing this, but 5 i currently work on are.
    Our company have around 1500 blackberry's activated right now and are telling us next year there switching to android and Iphones because of the option we were given. I've been holding out not wanting to switch to Iphone. Right now i'm using a verizon 9930 camerless phone and love it.
    So if you work on a military base maybe check and see if there allowing this procedure for a alternative.
    09-07-12 10:32 PM
  18. eve6er69's Avatar
    I would imagine the full keyboard keyboard version will have an option. They've always been the most reliant company for phones for people that work in government and court houses.


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    09-09-12 07:35 AM
  19. _StephenBB81's Avatar
    I work on several naval bases that have a lot of areas that are classified top secret. In order to get in the area your vehicle and personal property are always inspected. On all these bases they require that the phone has to have come from the factory with out a camera. If someone gets caught with a camera phone, The police instantly pull your badge and escort you off base.
    Last week the government emailed us telling us that they will allow us to use camera phones in classified area's if we drill a small hole in the lens and fill the lens with epoxy , then bring it to a office on base and have it inspected. If it passes, they will issue you a card to show to the base police that it has been certified. I don't know if all bases are allowing this, but 5 i currently work on are.
    Our company have around 1500 blackberry's activated right now and are telling us next year there switching to android and Iphones because of the option we were given. I've been holding out not wanting to switch to Iphone. Right now i'm using a verizon 9930 camerless phone and love it.
    So if you work on a military base maybe check and see if there allowing this procedure for a alternative.

    According to another poster on this forum you have been able to buy Cameraless iPhones already, so the drill out method should have never been a requirement
    09-09-12 08:37 AM
  20. hootyhoo's Avatar
    According to another poster on this forum you have been able to buy Cameraless iPhones already, so the drill out method should have never been a requirement
    In his follow up reply that poster corrected themselves by stating that that was a third party option, not something offered by Apple.
    09-09-12 09:52 AM
  21. jasperjazz's Avatar
    Now that the phone is out anyone heard any rumours about it?
    02-02-13 12:34 AM
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