BB-Service becomes no longer necessary for BB10
- Probably not by choice. If I had to guess, and it's only a guess, I'd say it's because of carriers and enterprise don't want to pay BES/BIS fees. Also, carriers don't want data compression like they did before, they want to sell data. That's why they're eliminating unlimited plans, and creating tiered plans and selling overages by the gigabyte instead of kilobyte.09-30-12 11:00 AMLike 0
- Like I said, the upper class is growing rapidly. People who were commoners 10 years ago are now multimillionaires. Typical apartment in a first tier city in a nice neighborhood will cost about $500,000.00 for something about 1000 square feet (100 square meters). Somebody is buying them up, since most new developments are sold out before they're finished. Even with new laws allowing only 1 residence per person, they're selling out. Before, it wasn't as easy to get imported luxury goods in China. 20 years ago, it was impossible, 10 years ago, it could be had with difficulty. In those days, there wasn't much demand, since there weren't many rich people. Now it's easy to get, if you have the money. In another 10 years, what's now the middle class can probably afford luxury goods, and that's what companies like LVMH is banking on. RIM is banking on the same thing happening in countries like Nigeria, India, and Indonesia.09-30-12 11:09 AMLike 0
- Probably not by choice. If I had to guess, and it's only a guess, I'd say it's because of carriers and enterprise don't want to pay BES/BIS fees. Also, carriers don't want data compression like they did before, they want to sell data. That's why they're eliminating unlimited plans, and creating tiered plans and selling overages by the gigabyte instead of kilobyte.09-30-12 12:46 PMLike 0
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BIS will still be there, maybe a little bit different than how is now but still will be there
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 Dev Alpha09-30-12 01:15 PMLike 0 -
- Sorry to disappoint you here but BIS will still be there, why do you think they are asking people to use a different BBID with the Dev Alpha devices?
BIS will still be there, maybe a little bit different than how is now but still will be there
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 Dev Alpha09-30-12 01:36 PMLike 0 - "...Look at Vodaphone BBM plans in India, they cost like 7 Rupees or $0.095 a day, payable by the day..."
It costs 399 rupees/month for BIS. At least, according to an internet posting it used to last year.
Where are you getting your numbers from? Please show your math because I don't think 7 Rupees is equal to 9.5 cents at today's exchange rate so I question your overall calculations.09-30-12 05:48 PMLike 0 - Superfly_FRRetired ModeratorHow I read it is the following ;
You can use a BB10 device in a BYOD device using standard network stacks and ActiveSync.
You can use BB7/BB10 devices in a corporate environment running BES back end (incl. balance, compression).
You can use BB10 devices with a BIS plan to gain personal enhanced experience (office365+BB cloud services) or data management (compression).
Sounds good to me.10-01-12 03:05 AMLike 0 - Who is RIM talking to? A lot of people I know don't heavily use BBM like they used to because of cross-platforms like whatsApp Messenger. BIS is what I personally think is their biggest advantage and its way cheaper over here than any data plan! I will stick to my 9900 thanks RIM.10-01-12 04:08 AMLike 0
- Sorry to disappoint you here but BIS will still be there, why do you think they are asking people to use a different BBID with the Dev Alpha devices?
BIS will still be there, maybe a little bit different than how is now but still will be there
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 Dev Alpha10-01-12 11:17 AMLike 0 - I've been saying for a long time that it won't be necessary (with the switch to exchange for email) but RIM will try to require it for their own apps (twitter, FB etc...) and charge the carriers accordingly. The carriers, however, will push back and refuse to pay for something they get for free on every other device regardless of whos servers it passes thru. I think RIMs service revenue is going to take a big hit and BIS will eventually only remain only for management/security purposes.10-03-12 10:23 AMLike 0
- I'd like to see or read something directly from RIM about this.
Not some story from a friend's brother's cousin's comment to some German mobile site. I want to hear it from someone right out of RIM's Waterloo office.
EAS is great for exchange accounts, but what about personal ISP based pop3 email accounts and gmail. I don't believe that EAS handles those kinds of accounts. No one has answered that question in all the various threads that "claim" BIS will be gone.
Also, all I ever remember hearing RIM state was that they couldn't get the existing BES system to work with BB10. Giving rise to the need for a new BES10. No mention of BIS. Unless I missed it. If so, someone please link me to the specific statement from RIM about it.richardat likes this.10-03-12 10:53 AMLike 1 - Superfly_FRRetired ModeratorAccording to a friend of mine RIM has confirmed that they will discontinue the necessariness of BIS on BB10 Devices.
The following article has been published on a reliable german mobile site:
Blackberry 10: Das Ende des Blackberry Internet Service (BIS)
Sent from my BlackBerrybluetroll likes this.10-03-12 12:49 PMLike 1 - I'd like to see or read something directly from RIM about this.
Not some story from a friend's brother's cousin's comment to some German mobile site. I want to hear it from someone right out of RIM's Waterloo office.
EAS is great for exchange accounts, but what about personal ISP based pop3 email accounts and gmail. I don't believe that EAS handles those kinds of accounts. No one has answered that question in all the various threads that "claim" BIS will be gone.
Also, all I ever remember hearing RIM state was that they couldn't get the existing BES system to work with BB10. Giving rise to the need for a new BES10. No mention of BIS. Unless I missed it. If so, someone please link me to the specific statement from RIM about it.
If RIM could not get BES to work with the new OS, it is unlikely that they would be able to get BIS to work either.10-03-12 03:14 PMLike 0 - As far as I know, push email via IMAP violates the same NTP patent that RIM violated. Although part of the award and judgement were vacated, part remains. For the life of me, I don't know why IMAP clients would be available on the istore or android app store unless they have a license from NTP.10-03-12 03:48 PMLike 0
- As far as I know, push email via IMAP violates the same NTP patent that RIM violated. Although part of the award and judgement were vacated, part remains. For the life of me, I don't know why IMAP clients would be available on the istore or android app store unless they have a license from NTP.10-03-12 04:13 PMLike 0
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I only mentioned gmail because I know that RIM spent a lot of time over the past few years getting gmail to work over BIS.10-03-12 06:01 PMLike 0 -
- That's to allow interoperability between OS7 and BB10 users - going forward, if you buy a BB10 device you will have a SSO user ID and no PIN, eventually legacy users will be moved onto the same system - I'm trying to think where the article was that outlined it, I'll go look.10-05-12 02:36 AMLike 0
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