BB data compression - how does it compare with others?
- Thanks. I downloaded the most recent podcast, filesize 50.6Mb.
I used 7zip to compress the mp3, using the slowest, "ultra" compression setting and it was only able to reduce it by less than 4%
In your test, you were able to get 24% compression. Can anyone explain how RIM manages to do this?
Either RIM data compression is able to violate the laws information theory, or your test was somehow flawed.11-03-12 08:36 AMLike 0 - I've said this before, my wife roamed from UK to New York for a week on just 1.6mb of data. The phone was never turned off and wifi was never used, hundreds of bbms were sent and received, voice notes and a few photos and some uploaded to Facebook.
At the price of �8 per 1mb any other phone would have to be turned off or only used on wifi.11-03-12 08:42 AMLike 0 - Props to the OP, this thread has been educational. Does anyone know how RIM does their data compression?11-03-12 09:16 AMLike 0
- Magic, who cares, RIM does claim 4/1 compression for emails and 2/1 compression for browsing.Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes likes this.11-03-12 10:54 AMLike 1
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- Wow, I think they should fire their entire marketing team. Who cares about BB10 or phones in general if you've got a technology like this available. They could license it and just roll in the piles of money they'd rake in. I can't even begin to imagine all of the possible uses for that kind of compression.11-03-12 11:01 AMLike 0
- Wow, I think they should fire their entire marketing team. Who cares about BB10 or phones in general if you've got a technology like this available. They could license it and just roll in the piles of money they'd rake in. I can't even begin to imagine all of the possible uses for that kind of compression.Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes likes this.11-03-12 11:26 AMLike 1
- So, I'm wondering...
If BB can compress data and therefore send less packets - that means that for a given amount of bandwidth there is less bandwidth used so more data that can be sent (because it is compressed).
Therefore, carriers would be able to squeeze more users onto their networks if all those users were using BB (there is more bandwidth to go around).
Or, carriers would be able to offer a better service if everyone used BB as the available bandwidth wouldn't be so busy with data traffic.
Or, carriers could just have a higher contention ratio and get more bang for their buck out of a part of the radio spectrum they would be using.
So - all this seems like either a win for the users or a win for the carriers.
So - why aren't carriers more aggressively pushing BB?
Is it down to the other agreements with RIM perhaps (maybe RIM don't offer as generous discounts on hardware as other manufacturers / or charge carriers more for BIS etc).
I understand a carrier wants you on their network so they'll sell any handset that gets users to lock into those 24 month contracts - but I would have still thought they would more actively push BB over other devices.
Or is my logic flawed?
Harry11-03-12 11:27 AMLike 0 -
- So, I'm wondering...
If BB can compress data and therefore send less packets - that means that for a given amount of bandwidth there is less bandwidth used so more data that can be sent (because it is compressed).
Therefore, carriers would be able to squeeze more users onto their networks if all those users were using BB (there is more bandwidth to go around).
Or, carriers would be able to offer a better service if everyone used BB as the available bandwidth wouldn't be so busy with data traffic.
Or, carriers could just have a higher contention ratio and get more bang for their buck out of a part of the radio spectrum they would be using.
So - all this seems like either a win for the users or a win for the carriers.
So - why aren't carriers more aggressively pushing BB?
Is it down to the other agreements with RIM perhaps (maybe RIM don't offer as generous discounts on hardware as other manufacturers / or charge carriers more for BIS etc).
I understand a carrier wants you on their network so they'll sell any handset that gets users to lock into those 24 month contracts - but I would have still thought they would more actively push BB over other devices.
Or is my logic flawed?
Harry11-03-12 11:39 AMLike 0 -
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/18/rim-patent-app-will-have-you-barely-browsing-the-web-at-incredib/Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes likes this.11-03-12 11:45 AMLike 1 - So, I'm wondering...
If BB can compress data and therefore send less packets - that means that for a given amount of bandwidth there is less bandwidth used so more data that can be sent (because it is compressed).
Therefore, carriers would be able to squeeze more users onto their networks if all those users were using BB (there is more bandwidth to go around).
Or, carriers would be able to offer a better service if everyone used BB as the available bandwidth wouldn't be so busy with data traffic.
Or, carriers could just have a higher contention ratio and get more bang for their buck out of a part of the radio spectrum they would be using.
So - all this seems like either a win for the users or a win for the carriers.
So - why aren't carriers more aggressively pushing BB?
Is it down to the other agreements with RIM perhaps (maybe RIM don't offer as generous discounts on hardware as other manufacturers / or charge carriers more for BIS etc).
I understand a carrier wants you on their network so they'll sell any handset that gets users to lock into those 24 month contracts - but I would have still thought they would more actively push BB over other devices.
Or is my logic flawed?
Harry
ETA again: In the 4 months I was on Verizon, I was charged for overages twice. I had the same 2gb data as I did on T-Mo, only on T-Mo they just throttle you if you go over, and not charge for going over. On T-Mo, however, I only average about 1.2gb per month. There were Verizon services running in the background that I couldn't uninstall. So they were controlling the data that *I* was paying for. Not cool. During the times I was on my 9930 instead of my Rezound, those were the months I didn't get charged overages. Imagine that.11-03-12 11:46 AMLike 0 - 11-03-12 11:49 AMLike 0
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I'm in GPRS area this weekend anyway.barbarianthemadserb and Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes like this.11-03-12 12:27 PMLike 2 - It explains some of RIM's compression tech.barbarianthemadserb and Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes like this.11-03-12 12:29 PMLike 2
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- Skyfire browser does compression as well (even video, though quality is hit or miss there). Skyfire also supports Flash. Android version works on Playbook. Video playback is a $2 add-on, which also works on Playbook.
Opera does compression, too, with its Turbo feature. No version works on Playbook.
If you're using a web-based email like Gmail or something, through the browser, I'd imagine that gets compressed as well.
As with the native Playbook browser, if you turn off Javascript it helps speeds immensely.
So no, RIM is not the only company to provide compression.11-03-12 03:00 PMLike 0 - Skyfire browser does compression as well (even video, though quality is hit or miss there). Skyfire also supports Flash. Android version works on Playbook. Video playback is a $2 add-on, which also works on Playbook.
Opera does compression, too, with its Turbo feature. No version works on Playbook.
If you're using a web-based email like Gmail or something, through the browser, I'd imagine that gets compressed as well.
As with the native Playbook browser, if you turn off Javascript it helps speeds immensely.
So no, RIM is not the only company to provide compression.11-03-12 03:17 PMLike 0 -
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On one side you have a mobile phone manufacturing company which offers compression services to it's clients:
1) As competitive advantage over other manufacturers.
2) Charges for it.
On the other you have a third party developer that offers compression services for free.
Which one of these two do you think is more likely to sell you data for profit? No need to read T&C here.11-04-12 05:41 AMLike 0 - I can only compare it with an iPhone, and the data consumption on that is huge. My bill as compared to when i was on bb, is up by 300%. But the data consumption difference is especially noticeable when go internationally. I have a Vodafone passport and all the other international calling and data roaming bolt ons that they offer. So in result I get something like 150MB of free roaming data per month.
This amount would last about two weeks on bb (emails and browsing). And about a day or two on iPhone.Harry_III_UK likes this.11-04-12 05:50 AMLike 1
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