09-24-13 06:04 PM
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  1. h20work's Avatar
    One doomsayer keeps saying that the company is for "sale". Not if ML has anything to say about it. If you believe the company is dead just leave and move the **** on. It's people like you who give BlackBerry a bad rep. Sigh. I feel like dying.

    Posted via CB10
    I know! Wish Thor would stop saying it!
    richardat, Saiga and Etios like this.
    09-22-13 10:26 PM
  2. katiepea's Avatar
    One doomsayer keeps saying that the company is for "sale". Not if ML has anything to say about it. If you believe the company is dead just leave and move the **** on. It's people like you who give BlackBerry a bad rep. Sigh. I feel like dying.

    Posted via CB10
    If Mike L has anything to do with the company again then you can bet anything it's game over for sure. Secondly, if you feel like dying because a tech company is going under then you need serious help. This is how this game gets played. BlackBerry isn't the first giant to collapse.
    09-22-13 11:05 PM
  3. Wiki Cydia's Avatar
    One doomsayer keeps saying that the company is for "sale". Not if ML has anything to say about it. If you believe the company is dead just leave and move the **** on. It's people like you who give BlackBerry a bad rep. Sigh. I feel like dying.

    Posted via CB10
    Ah. So Mike Lazaridis is considering a buy bid for a company that isn't for sale. Got it.
    09-22-13 11:15 PM
  4. RADEoN1337's Avatar
    Jerale, how can he buy his company back when it "isn't for sale"?

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    09-23-13 07:52 AM
  5. Roo Zilla's Avatar
    I'd get a clue if it isn't too expensive, like BlackBerry BB10 phones at launch. badabing!
    09-23-13 07:54 AM
  6. njblackberry's Avatar
    Stock down another 3% in pre-market trading.
    Remain calm, all is well.

    You think this is bad? Wait until the official "earnings" announcement.

    The rose colored glasses broke a long time ago. Clues came out then.
    09-23-13 08:01 AM
  7. Roo Zilla's Avatar
    OP, it isn't the company is not up for sale. It's the company is unsellable. BBRY might be in a position of a actual take-under, a scenario when potential buyers are only willing to pay LESS than the current market cap as shown by stock price. What's a potential buyer got to lose? He waits a little longer, price drops more, waits longer yet, drops even more.... Not that I'm saying there's a potential buyer on the horizon, only a glutton for punishment would take on this comedy of errors.
    xandermac, richardat and Etios like this.
    09-23-13 08:07 AM
  8. richardat's Avatar
    YEAH YOU PEOPLE!!!!! YOU!!!!!!

    JUSt GeT it OVER witth! BUYYY YOUr swupid iphones and robot and leave ME ALONE!! !

    Do youR GRA|VE DANCE JUST buy your phones!!!
    LEAVER ME ALONE!!!!!!!!

    STOP with yyou talkedy talk....talk talk talk talk TALK...don't you people ever STOP?!?!?!

    It's never over, it's REAKIN NE|VER OVERER!!!!! AHh hha aah haaa ha aaa.....aaaa.....(gentle sobbing)


    In any situation of great stress, in large groups of people there will be those who simply snap under the pressure and lash out. If they can't hurt others, just try to insure they don't hurt themselves.

    That stress could be a war, death of a loved one, seriousness illness.......or in some cases....um.....your favorite phone corporation in trouble......

    OP, what's happening is ugly, and there are a lot of huge BB fans here who are very sad and upset. Most are talking about it, and coming to terms with it, a few are still i(somehow....have to marvel at human delusion) in denial mode, but at least they're putting on their big boy/girl pants and talking about it like adults.

    Those that just lash out at the other posters, like it's their fault (let alone those who actually literally try to blame it on the other posters!) aren't helping, BB, CB, or anyone else. They're making it worse.....it would actually be the best way to troll and stir things up right now (as I suspect some have intuited)- if you don't want to hear from other posters, and if you can only tolerate opinions that match your own, then you're right, a discussion forum isn't a good place for you.
    Last edited by richardat; 09-23-13 at 08:32 AM.
    09-23-13 08:20 AM
  9. longtermBB's Avatar
    Unreal pessimism here... the write down was 1 billion but the drop in cash was 300 million. they also didn't recognize revenue on over 2 million phones that were shipped ( they changed their accounting practice in order to throw all the negatives into the quarter and get them out of the way). They also added 150 BES 10 server deployments EVERY business day. They'll make handsets and they'll downsize to profitability. My bet is within 2 quarters they are making decent money. From there all the doomsayers can eat crow and decide if they like the devices and services that BlackBerry makes available. Has no one in these forums followed changes in the car industry, computer hardware industry etc? This is ongoing and is not always an "all or nothing" event.

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    09-23-13 08:22 AM
  10. Roo Zilla's Avatar
    Unreal pessimism here... the write down was 1 billion but the drop in cash was 300 million.
    It doesn't matter. A write down means drop in the value of assets, meaning the value of the company has dropped. Cash is also an asset. Whether your cash holdings drop, or the value of your inventory drops, it's all the same in relation to net value/worth. If you own stock in BBRY and the price drops, but the amount of cash in your bank account is the same, are you really going to say you didn't lose anything, or are you going to say you lost $X because the value of your stock portfolio (also an asset) dropped? Any sane person would say the latter.

    As an example, let's take Apple. Let's say Apple has 10 million iPhones in inventory. The value of that inventory is about $6 billion since the ASP for an iPhone is about $600. That $6 billion is as good as cash, since Apple will sell every single one of those iPhones at the ASP and when you do a valuation for Apple, you include that inventory at that valuation. Now you have BlackBerry with an inventory of Z10s, the value of which has dropped by almost $1 billion. That means the value of BlackBerry has dropped by $1 billion.
    Poirots Progeny likes this.
    09-23-13 08:35 AM
  11. hootyhoo's Avatar
    I rarely post anymore, but when I do, I drink Dos Equi.
    CHIP72 likes this.
    09-23-13 09:41 AM
  12. Shlemeil's Avatar
    I rarely post anymore, but when I do, I drink Dos Equi.

    Stay thirsty my friend.
    09-23-13 09:48 AM
  13. GadgetTravel's Avatar
    WHAT UTTER RUBBISH,

    I suggest you read this , Read it slowly until you understand it.
    BlackBerry announces preliminary second quarter fiscal 2014 results and provides business update - Press Releases
    More dots to connect.

    BlackBerry plans to go private - Sep. 23, 2013

    Note the comments on the consumer market. Also obviously on the sale itself. The dots are not vary far apart now.
    09-23-13 05:11 PM
  14. Crackberrykills's Avatar
    I think the doom is based on the fact that blackberry is officially trying to sell the company, lost 1 billion dollars, announced they were leaving the consumer market, scaled back future models... what exactly do you think is going to happen here? it's over, they've thrown everything they can at recovery. It isn't going to happen. Best case scenario is they try to license and become only software. For consumers though, the z30 is going to be the last BlackBerry ever made in all liklihood. That isn't doom or speculation, that's all straight from BlackBerry.

    There's nothing to look forward too honestly. They aren't going to make phones anymore. They're aggressively trying to sell the company. I think people around here aren't really grasping that. Maybe it will take the sale happening to realize that BB10 is EOL itself. People seem to think it's not over until BlackBerry gives some sort of official announcement that they're quitting. That isn't going to happen, they still need to sell the company, that would only worsen their worth. The only thing happening at BlackBerry right now is slimming the company down to sell. They aren't working on future phones, they aren't trying to make BB10 save the company. They know it's over, wall street knows it's over, everyone has announced it's over except a few people here saying "i still believe" but there isn't anything to believe.

    If BlackBerry can't dump $1 billion in inventory of z10's for free... best thing you can do is get a free one load up a leaked OS, there MIGHT be an actual rollout of official 10.2 but after that, that's likely it. It's a good thing they got rid of BIS because at least the BB10 OS can operate without it. So people who have BB10 devices can continue to use them until they stop working. Sounds to me like there will be "brand new" BB10 devices floating around for some time though. At least you can get them for nothing. It's a real shame, there's potential there, but where the company is now, you can expect the app situation to stay exactly where it's at right now. With the company announcing it's out of the consumer market, instagram, netflix, vine, twitter, facebook, everyone else.. it would be a total waste of time to develop apps for BB10 now. No developer is going to attempt to profit from the platform now.
    Be calm. Relax. You are really harshing my mellow. I am sure you come here to CrackBerry for your love of BlackBerry. Yet, I only see posts like this one from you. It is your opinion. That is fine. However, I think your post is a bit presumptuous. It is not over until it is over. If BlackBerry is sold off into numerous different pieces, then okay, it is sold off and truly dead. But, until that time comes, I am happily rocking my Z10. I am not sure why you think the app situation will not improve. And again, perhaps it won't. Yet again, I am holding out hope that it will. At the end of the day, I appreciate your passionate posts on CrackBerry, but I find my myself disagreeing with most of them. Keep it up, though. I always like to ponder and reply to such posts. Makes CB very lively.
    09-23-13 05:30 PM
  15. eBud's Avatar
    Me depressed...? Nope! I'm sportin' an almost brand new Fairfax Z10...!
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    09-23-13 05:43 PM
  16. Carruthers's Avatar
    I rarely come around anymore but when I do I make sure to start a thread about threads.

    THREAD LIGHTLY.

    Posted via CB10
    Haha yes! At least breaking bad is having a good year. Thorstein "I still have things left to do" lol

    Posted from my incredible Z10
    09-23-13 07:01 PM
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    09-23-13 08:14 PM
  18. berklon's Avatar
    All you BlackBerry doomsayers need to get a clue
    All evidence of Blackberry's demise indicates that the doomsayers were the only ones who actually had a clue all along.
    09-23-13 08:17 PM
  19. BerryWizard's Avatar
    Ah. So Mike Lazaridis is considering a buy bid for a company that isn't for sale. Got it.
    Wonder what this guy is saying today....

    Posted via CB10
    09-24-13 05:19 PM
  20. BerryWizard's Avatar
    Jerale, how can he buy his company back when it "isn't for sale"?

    Posted via CB10
    And this one ?

    Posted via CB10
    09-24-13 05:19 PM
  21. CHIP72's Avatar
    One doomsayer keeps saying that the company is for "sale". Not if ML has anything to say about it. If you believe the company is dead just leave and move the **** on. It's people like you who give BlackBerry a bad rep. Sigh. I feel like dying.

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    To be honest, that (the last sentence) is pretty pathetic.
    09-24-13 05:27 PM
  22. GadgetTravel's Avatar
    To be honest, that (the last sentence) is pretty pathetic.
    It made me pretty sad. It isn't the only post that has. The thing is that there are at least three groups of people here, and in some cases people are in more than one of those groups. One are people who use the phones, then there are stockholders and finally employees. I just use the phone so I have the least in this by far. I can see how stockholders and employees can be really impacted by this. I've been in both situations myself. We ate thousands of shares (probably upwards of 10,000) of LEH a few years back. I have managed in the ensuing time to wipe the exact number completely out of my mind. A defense mechanism I do hope that those getting so worked up about this are at least not simply phone users/owners. It is just a phone for us.
    09-24-13 06:04 PM
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