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  1. FlashFlare11's Avatar
    Not everyone is dropping BlackBerry products in favor of Apple's:
    Air Force Special Ops Cancels iPad Procurement Plan | InvestorPlace

    Some good news for a change!
    02-25-12 01:35 PM
  2. missing_K-W's Avatar
    The PlayBook with EAL4+ security is the highest level you can achieve. The PB is also FIPS certified...Android has obtained FIPS certification, however by no means to the extent the PB has.

    The Playbook also supports a rapid development tool set(allowing for special development tools, outside of RIM's consumer/enterprise SDK's). Making it much more powerful and quicker to develop apps for....The PB is also a networking OS , that supports Transparent multi-processing, allowing for the millitary to easily use DMP with existenting QNX systems that are already in deployment.

    The PB is going to rule the embedded market...The US military already has QNX deployed extensively( very extensive embedded deployment)........The PB won't only be a standalone product, it will in fact tie into existing QNX systems effortlessly.

    Those who criticize the PB and dismiss its success really have no clue the autonomy the QNX OS allows RIM in many markets. In essence the PB was a success since conception...Just watch it unfold.....RIM has three markets for the PB. Enterprise, consumer and embedded market deployment.

    The plus to having QNX as a consumer, is that QNX and their parntner's are at the forefront of the state of the art in computer sciences. We will reap the fruit of such a vast intellectual property and resources...Have to wait for BB10
    Last edited by missing_K-W; 02-25-12 at 02:40 PM.
    02-25-12 02:37 PM
  3. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Although I much prefer the PB, BB's security features and certifications trump anything Apple has to offer, and BBerries are my device of choice, note that the reason given for the decision to scrap the purchase was an irregularity with the process, not the iPads.

    From the article: the procurement was "inconsistent with standard procedures for IT purchases." I expect that it is likely that they will release a request for information in advance for a request for a quote or bid.
    02-25-12 03:02 PM
  4. playbookster's Avatar
    Although I much prefer the PB, BB's security features and certifications trump anything Apple has to offer, and BBerries are my device of choice, note that the reason given for the decision to scrap the purchase was an irregularity with the process, not the iPads.

    From the article: the procurement was "inconsistent with standard procedures for IT purchases." I expect that it is likely that they will release a request for information in advance for a request for a quote or bid.
    did you miss this paragraph?

    Apples mobile OS, iOS, which is used on both the iPhone and iPad 2, has not yet passed security clearance for use by the federal government, although Apple is working with the Department of Defense and other government agencies to meet their security requirements.
    02-25-12 03:04 PM
  5. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Nope. That's a well known fact. But that sentence alone means that we should not dance in the aisles. Very often procurement packages get cancelled due to irregularities in requirements or procedures.
    Hate to rain on the parade, but just want to keep an eye on a certain pertinent detail.
    02-25-12 03:07 PM
  6. BBPandy's Avatar
    Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and good with ketchup
    Where's that quote from?

    btw sorry to distract from the thread...
    02-25-12 03:40 PM
  7. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Where's that quote from?

    btw sorry to distract from the thread...
    Renaissance Pleasure Faire, Southern California. Don't think it's original to Faire, though.

    It's a play on Tolkien's Lord of the Rings:

    “Do not meddle in the affairs of Wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger.”
    Last edited by Qbnkelt; 03-04-12 at 03:31 PM.
    02-25-12 05:20 PM
  8. anthogag's Avatar
    The playbook definitely is more portable and it's new OS2 PIM features will probably still be better than iPad3

    Apps like PrintToGo could be tweaked...maybe give them a pdf reader with a few more features
    02-25-12 05:44 PM
  9. swyost's Avatar
    The playbook definitely is more portable and it's new OS2 PIM features will probably still be better than iPad3

    Apps like PrintToGo could be tweaked...maybe give them a pdf reader with a few more features
    Actually, PrintToGo will as likely cost such business in the security arena, not gain it. These agencies ban flash drives and disable CD drives; some also ban camera phones. Anything that makes it possible to move data from one device to another is not a selling point with DoD. Ironically, one of the things that probably contributed to OS 1's security clearance was the fact there was no way of getting data from a desktop or laptop without having an explicit connection.
    02-25-12 07:33 PM
  10. swyost's Avatar
    The PlayBook with EAL4+ security is the highest level you can achieve. The PB is also FIPS certified...Android has obtained FIPS certification, however by no means to the extent the PB has.

    The Playbook also supports a rapid development tool set(allowing for special development tools, outside of RIM's consumer/enterprise SDK's). Making it much more powerful and quicker to develop apps for....The PB is also a networking OS , that supports Transparent multi-processing, allowing for the millitary to easily use DMP with existenting QNX systems that are already in deployment.

    The PB is going to rule the embedded market...The US military already has QNX deployed extensively( very extensive embedded deployment)........The PB won't only be a standalone product, it will in fact tie into existing QNX systems effortlessly.

    Those who criticize the PB and dismiss its success really have no clue the autonomy the QNX OS allows RIM in many markets. In essence the PB was a success since conception...Just watch it unfold.....RIM has three markets for the PB. Enterprise, consumer and embedded market deployment.

    The plus to having QNX as a consumer, is that QNX and their parntner's are at the forefront of the state of the art in computer sciences. We will reap the fruit of such a vast intellectual property and resources...Have to wait for BB10
    All branches of the US military are under orders to consider cost before making purchasing decisions. Those decisions also have to pass a government auditor's desk, which used to be a rubber stamp but is not anymore. Apple probably lost because AF Special Ops attempted to sole source to the highest price, not because of security issues. As one of DoD's major contractors, if Dell has a couple thousand Dell Streaks in a warehouse, and the contracting need is urgent, they will probably get the purchase order. I would assume, however, that the real issue is that federal agencies get the best deals from Microsoft which also has all of the security clearances. Don't be surprised if you hear nothing more about this until late in the fiscal year when they pre-order Windows tablets from Dell or HP. BTW, there are also buy american initiatives in federal purchasing....
    02-25-12 07:43 PM
  11. Peritaxis's Avatar
    One of the best news I've heard all day!

    I definitely wish best of luck to RIM on winning this contract. The Air Force is quite iconic, and other countries' governments may follow suit if RIM takes this one!
    02-25-12 07:44 PM
  12. Stewartj1's Avatar
    Actually, PrintToGo will as likely cost such business in the security arena, not gain it. These agencies ban flash drives and disable CD drives; some also ban camera phones. Anything that makes it possible to move data from one device to another is not a selling point with DoD. Ironically, one of the things that probably contributed to OS 1's security clearance was the fact there was no way of getting data from a desktop or laptop without having an explicit connection.

    I presume all of that can be locked down thru IT policies, no?
    02-25-12 08:20 PM
  13. Dapper37's Avatar
    Not everyone is dropping BlackBerry products in favor of Apple's:
    Air Force Special Ops Cancels iPad Procurement Plan | InvestorPlace

    Some good news for a change!
    Interesting, where's bloomberg, fox. Did they miss the memo or do they only report negative RIM aspects.
    fanatical likes this.
    02-26-12 01:20 AM
  14. Dapper37's Avatar
    All branches of the US military are under orders to consider cost before making purchasing decisions. Those decisions also have to pass a government auditor's desk, which used to be a rubber stamp but is not anymore. Apple probably lost because AF Special Ops attempted to sole source to the highest price, not because of security issues. As one of DoD's major contractors, if Dell has a couple thousand Dell Streaks in a warehouse, and the contracting need is urgent, they will probably get the purchase order. I would assume, however, that the real issue is that federal agencies get the best deals from Microsoft which also has all of the security clearances. Don't be surprised if you hear nothing more about this until late in the fiscal year when they pre-order Windows tablets from Dell or HP. BTW, there are also buy american initiatives in federal purchasing....
    Perhaps Canada should move some of its 100 billion dollars worth of American military equipment procurement to England and the EU if the Americans are so protectionist.
    Those regions seem to understand free and fair trade.
    02-26-12 01:36 AM
  15. anon(757282)'s Avatar
    Interesting, where's bloomberg, fox. Did they miss the memo or do they only report negative RIM aspects.
    They got the memo...from apple. "Bury the story."
    02-26-12 12:47 PM
  16. alnamvet68's Avatar
    Air Force is finally getting it.
    02-26-12 02:21 PM
  17. kill_9's Avatar
    Not everyone is dropping BlackBerry products in favor of Apple's:
    Air Force Special Ops Cancels iPad Procurement Plan | InvestorPlace
    Well you cannot carryout Black Ops carrying bright white 10-inch billboard Apple iPads so the very black BlackBerry PlayBook is a natural for such military operations. All that is needed now is a night-vision screen protector or case to prevent light leakage during in-field ops.
    02-26-12 03:13 PM
  18. lnichols's Avatar
    LOL. SpecOps not buying a tablet made in AppleFoxCon City China?!?! Really, I'm shocked. Anyone remember when the State Department bought a ton of Lenovo PC's and had intended to use them on a classified networks, which was luckily stopped because of the origin of the company and it was brought to Congresses attention? Maybe Apple should take some of that $90 Billion in the bank and invest in getting the OS secured, and maybe some US based manufacturing, or at least non-Chinese based!

    The really sad thing about this situation is that RIM won't capitalize on it. All they'd have to do is go to DoD and say what do you want our FIPS approved tablet to do, and we'll have our in house app makers do it. Yet they will likely just sit back and and assume that DoD will buy the Playbook and have someone else develops the apps for it.
    02-26-12 05:42 PM
  19. Sith_Apprentice's Avatar
    Actually, PrintToGo will as likely cost such business in the security arena, not gain it. These agencies ban flash drives and disable CD drives; some also ban camera phones. Anything that makes it possible to move data from one device to another is not a selling point with DoD. Ironically, one of the things that probably contributed to OS 1's security clearance was the fact there was no way of getting data from a desktop or laptop without having an explicit connection.
    Print to go prints only TO the playbook and sits in the work perimeter. You can lock this down easily by not allowing the app on the PCs or not allowing WIFI connections with PCs where you do not want them to print.
    02-28-12 09:04 AM
  20. robsteve's Avatar
    Well you cannot carryout Black Ops carrying bright white 10-inch billboard Apple iPads so the very black BlackBerry PlayBook is a natural for such military operations. All that is needed now is a night-vision screen protector or case to prevent light leakage during in-field ops.
    The other side of the coin is the Playbook is very daylight viewable. I am not sure any of the other tables are as viewable in daylight.
    02-28-12 09:54 AM
  21. sinsin07's Avatar
    Not everyone is dropping BlackBerry products in favor of Apple's:
    Air Force Special Ops Cancels iPad Procurement Plan | InvestorPlace

    Some good news for a change!
    Air Force is finally getting it.
    You win some, you loose some:
    More feds ditch BlackBerrys

    "The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is planning to start the process of ditching Research in Motions signature BlackBerry wireless phone largely in favor of the iPhone, the agencys top tech official told POLITICO.

    Were going to delete the BlackBerry from the mix, Rick Holgate, ATFs chief information officer, said in an interview.
    02-28-12 07:38 PM
  22. Rootbrian's Avatar
    Awesomeness. Now the tablet I use is gonna be in combat!
    02-28-12 10:45 PM
  23. tchocky77's Avatar
    Who the deuce said these were for "black ops?" (WTF does that even mean?)

    They're for viewing aircraft manuals.
    02-28-12 11:07 PM
  24. kill_9's Avatar
    Who the deuce said these were for "black ops?" (WTF does that even mean?)

    They're for viewing aircraft manuals.
    I was just tying in the brand name BlackBerry with Air Force Special Forces carrying out operations some of which might be called Black Ops. As for a deuce I will leave that to the cards.
    02-28-12 11:46 PM
  25. kill_9's Avatar
    Were going to delete the BlackBerry from the mix, Rick Holgate, ATFs chief information officer, said in an interview.
    There is another government CIO without a clue about information security.
    02-28-12 11:49 PM
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