- I think someone should do it if its possible. I've started reading the forums on wifi and wow, people get really aggro about it. At least it would bring a bit of peace Let's face it, we all love the storm (don't we?), I certainly dont want an iphone and no wifi was obviously not a dealbreaker for me...but I think a little wifi would be good if possible - the dongle thing would add a bit of ugliness to the thing yes, but if its only the occasional thing as you sit down in an airport or something, I could live with that for better speeds (I'm in England and Vodafone's 3G is terrible - at least in the places I'm usually in.)02-08-09 01:53 PMLike 0
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FWIW, the Storm is being passed over by my company's IT department due to the lack of wifi. Our corporate offices in Boston, Philadelphia and Manhattan all get crappy/no phone service, and wifi is a must to stay connected.
I accept the 'no room' answer, but the 'VZW blocked wifi' answer is beyond unacceptable. I certainly hope it's the former and not the latter.02-08-09 02:14 PMLike 0 - Most skyscrapers in major metropolitan areas. Concrete and other building material make them black holes for phone service. No worries though right? It's not like companies actually conduct business in skyscrapers or anything.
FWIW, the Storm is being passed over by my company's IT department due to the lack of wifi. Our corporate offices in Boston, Philadelphia and Manhattan all get crappy/no phone service, and wifi is a must to stay connected.
I accept the 'no room' answer, but the 'VZW blocked wifi' answer is beyond unacceptable. I certainly hope it's the former and not the latter.
At no time did VZW lead us down the path to make us believe we were getting WiFi in our Storms.02-10-09 01:04 PMLike 0 -
- patches152BannedIn my speaking with the RIM rep who supports my VZW call center i came to the conclusion that RIM doesn't add functions or features onto VZW devices that don't directly profit them. ex: EMS for SMS to go over 160 and just send as a 2nd message. RIM doesn't get a cut from your SMS plan so they don't care if you have to start a 2nd message, etc. they don't get a cut from your wifi coverage, VZW doesn't pay them to add the feature, etc. i cant speak for how RIM does stuff for other service providers.02-10-09 10:10 PMLike 0
- You're so smart.
My buddy and I did a head-to-head test. My Storm on VZW/EVDO, his iPhone on WiFi. We rendered the same webpages on the same settings...my Storm won.
If anything, two assumptions could be made - not all 3G locations are equal, not all WiFi locations are equal.
I would venture a guess that WiFi would beat out 3G most of the time based on what I have been reading, but more of a question - if the board is not made to handle speeds over a certain rate, then no matter how fast data transferred to the device, it could only be rendered at a maximum speed, limited by the chipset/board?02-10-09 11:05 PMLike 0 - In my speaking with the RIM rep who supports my VZW call center i came to the conclusion that RIM doesn't add functions or features onto VZW devices that don't directly profit them. ex: EMS for SMS to go over 160 and just send as a 2nd message. RIM doesn't get a cut from your SMS plan so they don't care if you have to start a 2nd message, etc. they don't get a cut from your wifi coverage, VZW doesn't pay them to add the feature, etc. i cant speak for how RIM does stuff for other service providers.02-10-09 11:08 PMLike 0
- I think the WiFi for VZW is very similar to bluetooth...
VZW was the last carrier to have it on every phone.. for the longest time, the exact same phone on sprint/att->cingular->at would have bluetooth, but the CDMA/VZW version would have it disabled...
Then on the ones they had BT had much of it disabled (address books, voice control etc etc)
For whatever reason, VZW has decided not to pay for WiFi... Dont get me wrong, it may be technically harder with the CDMA + GPS + GSM that they need... but if they wanted it in there, it could get in there...
But the cost may have been higher design, higher production, or a delay in release...
Do I think it was a mistake.. sure.. the Storm is clearly targeting non-business as much as business customers... Ie, the soccer mom who now is getting 50+ emails a day..
And not having WiFi to me is a marketing mistake... Do the checklist against the iPhone... Besides having the lightsaber app out first... Name another check that the iPhone wins out on? WiFi.. thats it...
My feeling.. inside 2 years, all phones will get data from WiFi first, and OTA data second...
Then the fight will be over WiMax... BTW.. my WiMax on Clear (in Portland Oregon) ROCKS..
3.5MB down in my car driving around town...02-10-09 11:47 PMLike 0 - Nor did I say or imply that they did. You were looking for a legitimate situation where we had wifi but no VZW service, which you later qualified to business situation, since apparently legitimate situations that are collegiate or recreational in nature do not count, and I simply provided one.02-11-09 02:38 PMLike 0
- lmao...how did this get to 6 pages? the second post should have been "Please search the forums next time before posting a thread." Then the thread should have been closed. I'm not dogging anyone, I am just trying to explain how a forum under moderation should be functioning.02-11-09 03:46 PMLike 0
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- Really Stupid Arguments:
1. "No-one needs wi-fi." You have no idea what another's coverage circumstances are.
2. "My Storm is just as fast on 3G as an iPhone on wi-fi." I have just about had it with people who say 3G is as fast or faster than wi-fi! Maximum throughput on CDMA 3G is about 2.05 Mbps. Maximum throughput on 802.11(g) is 54 Mbps. That's over 25 times faster under ideal conditions--which you are more likely to encounter on wi-fi (due to proximity). Also, no-one cares how slow your buddy's iPhone is.
3. "Use your computer instead." You use what you want; I'll use what I want. It's not like anyone's trying to use a guitar to hammer nails; speedy internet access is an advertised feature of this device.
4. "It wasn't Verizon, it was RIM." Also, "It wasn't RIM, it was Verizon." Who cares...bottom line, we don't have wi-fi.
5. "There was no room." The 9520 has the same physical dimensions as the 9530.
6. "It's too expensive." I guess it would have kept Big Red from being able to give them away during this buy one, get one free bonanza.
7. "Dongles are ugly." Yeah, that's the least of your worries if you're trying to kludge wi-fi capability onto an attractive handset. USB host controller- or SDIO hardware may or may not exist in the Storm; drivers ain't easy either.
8. "4G will be faster than wi-fi." Not on the 9530 it won't.
9. "You shouldn't have bought the storm" You're right, I should have gotten that Verizon handset that's just like the Storm except it's got wi-fi...which one was that, again?
10. "Wi-fi presents too many security problems for enterprise users." Uhh...so no other BlackBerries have wi-fi, right?
As dumb as these arguments are, they are not as ridiculous as the continued insistence of some that a simple registry hack could activate some dormant wi-fi hardware lurking in the 9530. Dumbest of all was the decision not to include it, if only to relieve some of the data load from the cellular network--Storm users are forced to subscribe to the data plan anyway; Verizon's already got our money! The worst part about the absence of wi-fi is that once the handset is no longer activated, it's basically useless. I use my old XV6800 Mogul as the ultimate Storm accessory: it's got wi-fi, so I can use it to side-load content onto microSD. It's got a physical keyboard, so I can use it to edit large files and shuffle them back to the Storm (via microSD or by uploading to the cloud). Once the 9530 gets NE2'd, that beautiful screen will just sit in a drawer...unless my niece wants to watch a video saved on the card. What a colossal waste!
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com03-05-09 12:51 PMLike 0 - How does he have wifi? Unless it's not his phone...no one is answering there so I thought I'd ask here:
http://forums.crackberry.com/f131/final-fantasy-175648/03-12-09 09:07 PMLike 0 - UNLESS, there is a SDHC card that is both a memory card and WiFi....not sure if that exists yet, and then how would the system recognize the WiFi portion. I remember that in my old PDA (around 2004), I had a SD card that had WiFi build in....the thing stuck out about an inch from the top of my PDA....just not sure if they make that in SDHC form, and if it would still fit in the Storm.....otherwise, no, only the 9520 has it, but you lose GPS....a trade off I wouldn't want. My EVDO is pretty blazin'03-12-09 09:11 PMLike 0
- Spectec does make a microSD with wifi built into it. BUT.....only for Windows Mobile OS. Someone would need to write Blackberry OS drivers for it.
You can see it at
.cecompass.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=108
(I haven't posted enough yet to be allowed to post full URLS)
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tell me people, does this make a lick of sence? they should at least give us the option to opt out of the VZ Nav (as in, delete the program) but allow us to use the GPS chip for other apps that can utilize it...personally, i dont think they are being fair.
thats my 2cents03-12-09 11:46 PMLike 0 - You can add wifi to your 9530 all you need to do is call verizon and ask for "the package" they will know what to do. Then upon receiving "the package" u do a little dance tap your head and stomach and say "abrakadabra wambam wallawalladingdong" and poof there u go wifi on your 9530
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com03-13-09 01:25 AMLike 0 - tell me people, does this make a lick of sence? they should at least give us the option to opt out of the VZ Nav (as in, delete the program) but allow us to use the GPS chip for other apps that can utilize it...personally, i dont think they are being fair.
thats my 2cents03-13-09 05:04 AMLike 0 -
So you only pay a monthly fee if you sign up for VZ Nav, and that is optional.03-13-09 08:18 AMLike 0 - no, i did not know that...thanks for the info....really what i mean is yes, i did know i could (and did) uninstall vz nav, but i did not knwo the GPS would still function...good to know03-15-09 03:23 AMLike 0
- patronanejo, very good post. Just a couple of things...
2. "My Storm is just as fast on 3G as an iPhone on wi-fi." I have just about had it with people who say 3G is as fast or faster than wi-fi! Maximum throughput on CDMA 3G is about 2.05 Mbps. Maximum throughput on 802.11(g) is 54 Mbps. That's over 25 times faster under ideal conditions--which you are more likely to encounter on wi-fi (due to proximity). Also, no-one cares how slow your buddy's iPhone is.
What is the connection of the "modem" the wifi access point is connected to? 54Mbps G would be limited if someone was using a 1.5mbps DSL line. You might have 6, 12 or 16 mbps cable, but if your neighbors are downloading music, movies, or more, it will slow down.
What if the CPU, bus, or other parts inside the hand held isn't fast enough to keep up with higher data speeds... (my T-Mo Curve/8320's Wifi browser doesn't seem any faster loading pages than using the internet or wap browsers when connected to my 54G home network with 16mbps comcast cable.)
Btw, max throughput on CDMA 3G is not 2mbps. EVDO Rev0 is up to 2mbps. Evdo Rev A can be around 3mbps or more. However, these figures are based on "brustable" data rates... real world average through put is usually less... (rev 0 = aprox 400-600kbps, rev A = aprox 800kbps-1mbps, both based on proximity to tower, signal strength, etc).
When at home, I'm one who likes using my laptop with bigger screen, and normal sized keyboard.
Correct.
Don't forget the following...
Having Wi-Fi on the Storm would mean the ability to use the new video sevice. (its for wi-fi only...)
Having Wi-fi would allow for INTERNET access only... NOT Voice calling using your Verizon Phone number, not text messages, and likely not BB data, as Verizon doesn't support UMA like T-Mobile does, so all those "you can use your BB in areas where you have wi-fi but not EVDO coverage" are not 100% valid.
Having wi-fi would have allowed for surfing the net while on an airplane, or in some airports that have free wi-fi, but poor cell coverage... i.e. help you pass the time at the airport.
I agree, that SOME feel wi-fi is necessary, while others feel its not needed.
I for one would have liked to have the option of Wi-fi built in, provided...
1. it didn't add more than $5-10 to the storm's purchase price.
2. VZW supported UMA like T-Mobile's HotSpot@home feature (full voice and data, including blackberry BIS/BES data)04-10-09 11:55 PMLike 0 - I don't understand why someone would buy the storm, or even continue using it if they have such a need for wifi? Did VZW promise wifi in the storm or something? Here in Canada, Telus and Bell users accepted the uselessness of wifi in the face of unlimited data plans on EVDO Rev0/A.
Also to the guy who said phone coverage sucks inside skyscrapers...what kind of third world sky scrapper are you working in? Every skyscraper I've ever been to has a network of repeaters inside and you get better coverage in the skyscraper as opposed to outside of it.
I'll admit, I love wifi. It would be a nice and sort of useful feature in the storm (i think i used wifi twice in the 1 1/2 year I had my PPC6700), but the fact is, the storm was never intended to have wifi, nor did any company (RIM/VZW/TELUS/Bell) that supports it claim that it was going to support it. So stop ******** and buy an iphone if it bugs you so much.04-11-09 01:08 AMLike 0 -
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