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  1. Digital_Islandboy's Avatar
    If BlackBerry offered a paid annual plan where you could subscribe to them for unlimited BlackBerry VPN over mobile (and maybe other gadgets you own) would you trust them as your VPN provider???

    Or an online drop-box style web space similar to Apple i-Cloud etc?

    Filed under: Possible revenue earning idea for BlackBerry going forward.
    10-24-18 04:36 PM
  2. conite's Avatar
    If BlackBerry offered a paid annual plan where you could subscribe to them for unlimited BlackBerry VPN over mobile (and maybe other gadgets you own) would you trust them as your VPN provider???

    Or an online drop-box style web space similar to Apple i-Cloud etc?

    Filed under: Possible revenue earning idea for BlackBerry going forward.
    There are enough reliable VPN providers out there, so that would not be an efficient use of resources.

    BlackBerry already has BlackBerry Workspaces.
    10-24-18 04:38 PM
  3. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    BB is also long-established as logging things on their network and turning those records over to the various governments they operate in. Not exactly the anonymity that most people are looking for.
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    10-24-18 08:05 PM
  4. TrumpetTiger's Avatar
    BB is also long-established as logging things on their network and turning those records over to the various governments they operate in. Not exactly the anonymity that most people are looking for.
    Really? Could you cite examples of where this happened, particularly if someone was using a BES at the time?
    10-26-18 02:53 PM
  5. thurask's Avatar
    If BlackBerry offered a paid annual plan where you could subscribe to them for unlimited BlackBerry VPN over mobile (and maybe other gadgets you own) would you trust them as your VPN provider???

    Or an online drop-box style web space similar to Apple i-Cloud etc?

    Filed under: Possible revenue earning idea for BlackBerry going forward.
    No.
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    10-26-18 05:50 PM
  6. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Really? Could you cite examples of where this happened, particularly if someone was using a BES at the time?
    That's what I keep thurask around for...
    10-26-18 10:54 PM
  7. TrumpetTiger's Avatar
    That's what I keep thurask around for...
    I saw that article at the time and questioned its legitimacy then, given the seemingly endless flow of questionable Blackberry press. However, it would be an example, albeit cited by Thurask rather than you.

    I note, however, that there are still no examples cited where someone uses a BES, and that Thurask's article makes oblique reference to the fact that BES encryption is unbreakable. Do you have any examples where this happened where someone used a BES?
    10-26-18 11:01 PM
  8. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    BES may well be secure - that's irrelevant to this discussion, though, because with a VPN, BB would have the encryption keys, just like they have with consumer BBM, and they'd almost certainly be just as quick to share data with anyone claiming to be a legit authority just as this story says. Chen himself has talked about how they work with governments and law enforcement to give them data, so it's not like anything in this article is coming out of left field.

    And depending on the government, very innocuous things could be life-altering if discovered or revealed to the "authorities." People want REAL privacy, and they're not going to go to BB to get it (if they're smart).
    10-26-18 11:09 PM
  9. jope28's Avatar
    Agreed. Wouldn't trust BlackBerry for that because of their history turning data over to governments. Was disturbed by the story of how BlackBerry helped identify protesters in England in 2011.
    10-26-18 11:23 PM
  10. TrumpetTiger's Avatar
    BES may well be secure - that's irrelevant to this discussion, though, because with a VPN, BB would have the encryption keys, just like they have with consumer BBM, and they'd almost certainly be just as quick to share data with anyone claiming to be a legit authority just as this story says. Chen himself has talked about how they work with governments and law enforcement to give them data, so it's not like anything in this article is coming out of left field.

    And depending on the government, very innocuous things could be life-altering if discovered or revealed to the "authorities." People want REAL privacy, and they're not going to go to BB to get it (if they're smart).
    Chen has said a lot of things, but as for REAL privacy, Blackberry is the only place to go to get it.

    They will, however, avoid Android like the plague if they want REAL privacy.
    10-26-18 11:43 PM
  11. Elephant_Canyon's Avatar
    Chen has said a lot of things, but as for REAL privacy, Blackberry is the only place to go to get it.
    [citation needed]
    10-26-18 11:49 PM
  12. nevilleadaniels's Avatar
    Chen has said a lot of things, but as for REAL privacy, Blackberry is the only place to go to get it.

    They will, however, avoid Android like the plague if they want REAL privacy.
    Any Suggestions?
    Apple, Iphone and Microsoft are all American.
    Much of BlackBerry enterprise software is American.

    For office documentation etc we have Androffice.
    Polaris Office - Korean.
    WPS (Kingsoft) - Hong Kong, China and America.

    So where would you go for security apart from no phone at all.
    Last edited by nevilleadaniels; 10-27-18 at 11:39 AM.
    10-27-18 12:54 AM
  13. Invictus0's Avatar
    Any Suggestions?
    Apple, Iphone and Microsoft are all American.
    Match of BlackBerry enterprise software is American.

    For office documentation etc we have Androffice.
    Polaris Office - Korean.
    WPS (Kingsoft) - Hong Kong, China and America.

    So where would you go for security apart from no phone at all.
    Sailfish or an Android fork are really your only option if you don't want iOS or Android proper but it all goes out the window if you start sideloading it with apps from third party sources.
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    10-27-18 10:46 AM
  14. Digital_Islandboy's Avatar
    BES may well be secure - that's irrelevant to this discussion, though, because with a VPN, BB would have the encryption keys, just like they have with consumer BBM, and they'd almost certainly be just as quick to share data with anyone claiming to be a legit authority just as this story says. Chen himself has talked about how they work with governments and law enforcement to give them data, so it's not like anything in this article is coming out of left field.

    And depending on the government, very innocuous things could be life-altering if discovered or revealed to the "authorities." People want REAL privacy, and they're not going to go to BB to get it (if they're smart).
    Anybody can startup a VPN and if they operate logs of what you're doing and the pages you're surfing aren't encrypted they can compromise your data for their own means or turn over your data too.
    No company is really a guarantee. And you pretty much cannot hide from government(s) unless you have U.N. law on your side and are willing to let some jurisdiction allow you to be cloaked under their area like Julian Assange is. At the end of the day you can only assume VPN is protecting you from the rogue dark web and not any government because all it takes is an extradition request and wherever would be subject to shutdown.
    10-29-18 04:34 PM

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