Windows Phone sales actually declining, fast: BlackBerry back in top 3 soon?
- Pete The PenguinResident CrackBerry WizardNever is a very very long time and anything is possible until I sing.
However, given BlackBerry's penchant for snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory, I don't know if it can take/hold onto number three position. But to discount them outright would be a bit blind. There is always the possibility that they will come up with two killer devices.
3 UK are throwing their support behind Windows Phone - http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/b...wly-says-three
Carrier Support Is Evaporating - http://seekingalpha.com/article/1949...is-evaporatingJeepBB likes this.03-15-14 07:08 AMLike 1 - This is an important point. On Verizon Wireless for example, a flagship WP8 device was not released between May 2013 (Lumia 928) and March 2014 (Lumia Icon), and few WP8 devices were released on the carrier in the September-November 2013 time frame. Now VZW is only one carrier in country, but it is the largest carrier in the current biggest smartphone market in the world, so the lack of new WP devices on VZW by itself would probably lead to a decline in sales relative to Q3 2013.neo158 likes this.03-15-14 07:51 AMLike 1
- Pete The PenguinResident CrackBerry WizardThis is an important point. On Verizon Wireless for example, a flagship WP8 device was not released between May 2013 (Lumia 928) and March 2014 (Lumia Icon), and few WP8 devices were released on the carrier in the September-November 2013 time frame. Now VZW is only one carrier in country, but it is the largest carrier in the current biggest smartphone market in the world, so the lack of new WP devices on VZW by itself would probably lead to a decline in sales relative to Q3 2013.
Care to explain why sales remained flat?03-15-14 08:00 AMLike 0 - This is an important point. On Verizon Wireless for example, a flagship WP8 device was not released between May 2013 (Lumia 928) and March 2014 (Lumia Icon), and few WP8 devices were released on the carrier in the September-November 2013 time frame. Now VZW is only one carrier in country, but it is the largest carrier in the current biggest smartphone market in the world, so the lack of new WP devices on VZW by itself would probably lead to a decline in sales relative to Q3 2013.03-15-14 08:06 AMLike 0
- Nope, I don't care to explain. What I will say is that it is odd that no flagship WP devices were released during or immediately prior to the biggest sales quarter of the year on the largest U.S. carrier. That's just a dumb strategy.03-15-14 08:21 AMLike 0
- US hasn't been the largest smartphone market in the world for a while now... https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rc...2f0yPZJYCyQeDA03-15-14 08:24 AMLike 0
- Pete The PenguinResident CrackBerry Wizard
Yet BlackBerry's has declined. Mind you, where's the marketing? Oh, they don't have any... Silly me.JeepBB likes this.03-15-14 08:53 AMLike 1 - 03-15-14 02:23 PMLike 0
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- Well then like everything else here someone is telling the truth and someone is a retail salesperson who thinks they are an analyst because they post things on twitter.03-15-14 02:41 PMLike 0
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Chen would need to apologize and make ammemds for that, then, beyond all business and tech sense, explain how a completely rejected -over a year old os , which has publicly and visibly failed will now somehow take off enough to be profitable enough for b them to take another risk on it. That doesn't happen in most tech paradigms, and in truth, if somehow bb hadn't known bb10 would flop( I think they knew it was very likely) , then within a couple months of kaunch , they would have known absolutely that there was no chance. If bb11 work hadn't begun by then, it was already late. Any other company would be working furiously on "bb11" by now with an aggressive timeline.
Ugh.. There is just no way..? The obstacles are many, manyfold beyond what bb could surmount. Not Pursuing the mobile market isn't a choice by Chen... It simply isn't remotely an option. Even heins acknowledged that bb10 was the last chance, the hail Mary as I used to call it.
Chen is doing about all he can, trying to find niches were they can at least survive and get some new business model as going.03-15-14 02:44 PMLike 4 - That is an excellent point - easier to be best big thing and have 'potential' than try to come back from being on the skids..
sent from my bright red Nexus 5Poirots Progeny and richardat like this.03-15-14 02:45 PMLike 2 - Pete The PenguinResident CrackBerry WizardDoesn't matter, MSFT will soon own Nokia.richardat likes this.03-15-14 04:21 PMLike 1
- I'm expecting that Nokia Android line of phones becomes real hit in "emerging markets", killing all other low end Android phones, not only from companies like Sagem and ZTE, but also LG and Samsung and in the same time introducing their own services to the broad public.03-15-14 05:27 PMLike 0
- I somehow get the impression that the OP hasn't got a clue what he's talking about. First, he's using what seems to be US sales figures to make it appear that Windows Phone is in decline, which it isn't its stayed flat. Second, WP is the only mobile OS that has shown YoY growth, 104% last year alone.
In some regions WP has hit double figures growth wise, the US is the one exception and is the sole reason why WP was launched in the UK first!!03-15-14 09:17 PMLike 3 - Smartphone sales are in general decline: I have a friend who uses an iPhone 4 S! Yes, it's ALMOST 2 YEARS OLD oh my GOD I'm so sad for her.
What I mean to say is "civilians" (i.e. not the mobile gadget freaks that frequent mobile gadget Websites) probably already have a pretty darn good device that works pretty darn well, and they haven't seen anything that is the orders-of-magnitude better than what they currently have to make them shell out $700 or sign up for another $80 per month contract.
An iPhone the size of a Z30 might make a whole lot of iPhone users upgrade, but frankly, not since the "Retina Display" craze (that has now become pretty much a minimum for screens on even middle-tier devices) has there been a REALLY strong reason to upgrade (I say having upgraded my perfectly good Z10 to a Z30... but oh, yeah, I'm not a civilian, so I get a pass :-) )03-15-14 10:02 PMLike 0 - They would have killed it then. You really think if MS said not to release it they still would have? Yes, MS doesn't own Nokia yet and legally can't tell them not to do something but there ways of saying no without saying it. MS is on board. If it doesn't sell then they kill it. If it sells well then it isn't going anywhere. MS is in a distant 3rd. They are realizing that they would be better off putting their services on all OS's then to limit everything to MS only platforms.richardat likes this.03-16-14 01:41 AMLike 1
- Who cares? Every one of us who is bold enough to carry one of these amazing devices knows that we wield the finest communication and productivity tool available. You think I care what typical consumers think? Think again.
But that's not my point. The market will eventually catch up. It typically takes 3-5 years between the time new technology becomes available and the time it becomes widely adopted. This was true for the iPhone, the original BlackBerry, the worldwide web, email, Facebook, cable TV, etc.
BB10 is new technology, as those of us who have put it and its competitors to the test well know. Patience. By January 30, 2016, it will be clear that things are turning around in a big way. A year after that, Apple will be paying to license QNX for its mobile OS. Mark my words.03-16-14 01:42 AMLike 2 - WP may have more native apps from big devs, but it is clear that WP is LAST on their priority list and devs (more often than not) develop mediocre versions with missing features for WP. It seems like they develop versions with "just enough" functionality for them to say "we support WP". But the experience is often (read: usually) very lacking in features.
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Ding Ding Ding. Your are 100 % correct. This is why Apple and Google already won. You could have the greatest phone OS. If you don't have easy access to all the apps your screwed. You can pay these people like MS to make a native app for your OS but after there paid why should they update a platform with little to no market share? There better off improving their apps for iOS and Android. Hell, there better off making really good tablet apps. I'm sure Android has more tablet users than either MS or BB have phone users. In the end those apps will not be updated anything like iOS or Android and everyone will know it.Last edited by Nicholas Kathrein; 03-16-14 at 02:15 AM.
03-16-14 01:50 AMLike 0 - Maybe because Windows doesnt have enough games and apps like Android and Apple. The Windows phone is a great device but lack of apps. IMONicholas Kathrein likes this.03-16-14 01:57 AMLike 1
- BlackBerry has a new ceo and everyone is waiting for him to pull a rabbit out of the hat to save BB.
Microsoft has a newer CEO, with even shorter time at the post, of which everyone is awaiting the rabbit trick.
Nokia, "may" also get a new ceo to help swing things:
After Microsoft's Satya Nadella, Nokia may give charge to Indian-origin Rajeev Suri as CEO | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis
Who will out perform, is the question.
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http://usfinancepost.com/why-microso...ash-12172.html03-16-14 02:05 AMLike 0 - I somehow get the impression that the OP hasn't got a clue what he's talking about. First, he's using what seems to be US sales figures to make it appear that Windows Phone is in decline, which it isn't its stayed flat. Second, WP is the only mobile OS that has shown YoY growth, 104% last year alone.
In some regions WP has hit double figures growth wise, the US is the one exception and is the sole reason why WP was launched in the UK first!!
-WP sales didn't decline nor stayed flat in US. Market share of WP stayed flat (3.1%) in US and because all market grew in US it means that absolute sales grew too. Without new models and without WP8.1 not bad result.
-Nokia every time launched new high end models in US. BB has strategy to launch in UK and Canada first.Last edited by dolco; 03-16-14 at 06:04 AM.
03-16-14 02:52 AMLike 0 - Ding Ding Ding. Your are 100 % correct. This is why Apple and Google already won. You could have the greatest phone OS. If you don't have easy access to all the apps your screwed. You can pay these people like MS to make a native app for your OS but after there paid why should they update a platform with little to no market share? There better off improving their apps for iOS and Android. Hell, there better off making really good tablet apps. I'm sure Android has more tablet users than either MS or BB have phone users. In the end those apps will not be updated anything like iOS or Android and everyone will know it.
Ms is working in cross platform development tools, a new game platform, and I think they are going to buy Xamarin, a product that allows you to develop for IOS and Android with Windows devs tools.
There are rumors that Windows will support Android apps in windows 9.
So they have a chance to close the app gap.
By the way, the 1 million pre orders of the Nokia X was BS, a fraud of Nokia. So, WP's life is not in danger.dolco and Kashan Osama like this.03-16-14 04:35 AMLike 2
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