Will we look back at the purcahse of QNX for 200 million dollars as a great buy?
- Look at some of the recent purchases from the tech world's biggest companies. Back in April Twitter purchased a social data analytics firm Gnip for 350 million dollars. Just a few days ago Google bought Dropcam for 550 million dollars and Skybox Imaging for 500 million dollars. Apple has just bought Beats Audio for over 3 BILLION. Facebook bought Oculus for 2 BILLION (they haven't even made a dime yet). How did tech start ups become so highly valued?
So looking back at the 200 million dollar purchase for QNX seems to be an excellent buy. QNX is now in every major car manufacturer, in satellites, power plants, BB10, etc. What do you guys think?06-24-14 05:50 PMLike 0 - i would be curious to see how much QNX pulls in now compared to before. As a company itself I think they should be worth a little more than when bought. As the base of the BB10 os its good but obviously until bb10 sales pick up there isnt anything concrete saying it gives them a huge advantage anywhere. At this point they still havent come close to tapping into what QNX can do with the processing power and such. Have to see where we are at the end of the year.Mr.G_under and JeepBB like this.06-24-14 06:06 PMLike 2
- The real cost of QNX wasn't the $200M. The real cost was the significant delay in getting a stable modern OS out the door.
That cost many, many billions.
Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk06-24-14 06:16 PMLike 3 - 06-24-14 06:23 PMLike 0
- its not losing if they continued bbos 8. I think they should have almost since it did take so long to get bb10 to market. They should have been working on the new OS back many years, like 2009 and that way there would not have been the huge gap between the OS 7 device releases and the Z10 release06-24-14 06:53 PMLike 3
- its not losing if they continued bbos 8. I think they should have almost since it did take so long to get bb10 to market. They should have been working on the new OS back many years, like 2009 and that way there would not have been the huge gap between the OS 7 device releases and the Z10 release06-24-14 07:00 PMLike 0
- its not losing if they continued bbos 8. I think they should have almost since it did take so long to get bb10 to market. They should have been working on the new OS back many years, like 2009 and that way there would not have been the huge gap between the OS 7 device releases and the Z10 release
The GIF Exchange C001B7B16?06-24-14 07:04 PMLike 0 - How much money does QNX generate outside of BB10, I think the answer to that is where you will determine if it's a great buy or not. It doesn't matter where QNX is, it only matters if it generates money or leads to sales of devices. So far BB10 hasn't exactly been a financial success.06-24-14 07:07 PMLike 0
- How much money does QNX generate outside of BB10, I think the answer to that is where you will determine if it's a great buy or not. It doesn't matter where QNX is, it only matters if it generates money or leads to sales of devices. So far BB10 hasn't exactly been a financial success.06-24-14 07:26 PMLike 0
- QNX was neither a good nor bad buy. Extrapolating the value of QNX from radically different products such as Oculus is silly. The products are nothing alike.
What many fans fail to understand is that QNX/embedded OSes is a very well established business model decades and decades older than Blackberry's smartphone business itself. It is NOT a startup with insane growth prospects like Dropcam. Yes, embedded OSes are in everything and everything is reliant on them; but, that has always been the case and you can't price gouge insane licensing costs from them.
Think QNX is worth $1 billion and can be used as a bargaining chip against big players such as Ford? Watch how easily they transition to competing embedded OSes like Windows CE. That is the playing field for the product. The business model is well established.
What app_Developer made was a good point, though. Blackberry did not do anything worthwhile with the QNX. QNX was used to build BB10 which, in hindsight, most would agree put BBRY in a worse situation had it just opted for Android. I would not call QNX a bad purchase for this reason, though. Treat QNX as another non-useful investment asset to BBRY.
Hahaha... If Blackberry could do this, it would have done so already. It's not like Blackberry couldn't use $1 billion right about now.06-24-14 07:27 PMLike 3 - But it doesn't. Don't confuse compatibility with necessity. Carplay can be used on multiple platforms. If QNX was allowed to even do this: prevent products from using it like Carplay, Googles car initiative it would soon stop being a player in the embedded auto os market.06-24-14 08:01 PMLike 0
- If BlackBerry can create THE product/solution for enabling the IoT through QNX, then the 200M purchase price would be laughable. They're trying to tap into a potential trillion dollar future opportunity if they can convince everyone that their solution is the best, most secure way to get the IoT properly enabled/accessible.
Posted via CB1006-24-14 08:14 PMLike 0 - Look at some of the recent purchases from the tech world's biggest companies. Back in April Twitter purchased a social data analytics firm Gnip for 350 million dollars. Just a few days ago Google bought Dropcam for 550 million dollars and Skybox Imaging for 500 million dollars.
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QNX didn't create any problems for BlackBerry, rather it's the ineffective utilization of the "QNX potentials " by BlackBerry management that resulted in the mess.
I believe what is being talked about is the potential future value or the significance of the acquisition of QNX in relation to overall scheme of things with BlackBerry.
Posted via CB10Dave Bourque and mastermike87 like this.06-24-14 09:45 PMLike 2 - No offense, but what you said doesn't make any sense.
QNX didn't create any problems for BlackBerry, rather it's the ineffective utilization of the "QNX potentials " by BlackBerry management that resulted in the mess.
I believe what is being talked about is the potential future value or the significance of the acquisition of QNX in relation to overall scheme of things with BlackBerry.
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The user would perceive no difference. They could even have done "desktop" style multitasking if they wanted.
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While there is no doubt that QNX is a profitable business, it's a SMALL profitable business, because the revenues it generates are quite small. Embedded OSs just don't cost a lot from a licensing perspective (lots of competition keeps the prices low), and so it's never been a high-margin business and never will be. For a company the size of BB, and used to billions of dollars in revenue per quarter, QNX's revenues are pretty tiny.
It would be different if BB was a small startup with 50 employees, but BB is a fairly large company with 7000 or so employees, so it needs to operate on a much larger scale.JeepBB and sentimentGX4 like this.06-25-14 02:03 AMLike 2 - Well, I disagree in that I think they might have saved a year or more if they built BB10, Cascades, etc on top of Linux. Not to mention the ongoing savings from having less work to do with each new chipset going forward.
The user would perceive no difference. They could even have done "desktop" style multitasking if they wanted.
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Between BlackBerry Device Software 5.0 to BlackBerry 7, there wasn't much improvement. It's the exact same OS with different theme and limitations.
Z10 STL100-1/10.2.1.3175wincyUt likes this.06-25-14 02:12 AMLike 1 -
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But the real pay off will be when the "Internet of Things" is realized with the Passport or the medical focused device that comes out next, if the Passport isn't it.
Posted from my Z30 using CB10wincyUt likes this.06-25-14 08:03 AMLike 1 - Well, I disagree in that I think they might have saved a year or more if they built BB10, Cascades, etc on top of Linux. Not to mention the ongoing savings from having less work to do with each new chipset going forward.
The user would perceive no difference. They could even have done "desktop" style multitasking if they wanted.
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- That 200 million was thought to be 4x QNX's yearly income when the sale happened. Even if BlackBerry has increased their sales a number of times, the amount is still not significant enough. How do I know? Go back and listen to the conference call with Chen after the earnings. One of the analysts asked Chen to quantify QNX's contribution to the earnings. He declined. My belief is that if the number was significant he would have bragged about it. He did explain that QNX derives its income from "royalties" and most likely that is a one time payment per use, probably not a large sum.
What BlackBerry has to do is find ways to use the NOC and monetize this on a subscription base. When that happens, ask this question again. BlackBerry are tying to do this.sentimentGX4 and JeepBB like this.06-25-14 03:08 PMLike 2
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