1. azrin640's Avatar
    Use your imagination from share holder point of view..
    12-28-11 05:34 AM
  2. Chrisy's Avatar
    No. I'd just get an Android device if I wanted that UI and OS. It would make RIM look lost too.
    kbz1960 likes this.
    12-28-11 05:51 AM
  3. kbz1960's Avatar
    I wish people would get off of wanting RIM to go android. The player is a good idea to get apps quick. It is not the be all end all and native apps will still be wanted and needed.

    I bought the pb because of QNX and the UI. If I wanted something different I would've bought an android or windows device. No apple for me, great devices but I will not go apple for my own reasons.
    12-28-11 06:26 AM
  4. Sith_Apprentice's Avatar
    if RIM uses any OS that eliminates the need for their NOC then they lose in the long run. They have invested entirely too much time and money to get rid of it. BB10 is the future of RIM, and if that future doesnt include their entire infrastructure, what is the point?
    12-28-11 06:30 AM
  5. sleepngbear's Avatar
    Dumb and Dumber have gone on record stating that using Android would ruin the BB experience. Granted there is much debate on whether the BB experience is a good or a bad thing right now (I happen to think it is a good thing), this is one thing on which I am in complete agreement with them. My opinion, anybody who even suggests such a strategy as viable is looking no deeper than the UI of a mobile device and basically has little to no idea of the entire scope of RIM's value proposition beyond the icons they tap and slide around on the glass.

    This would be a loser for the company, its shareholders, and both its consumer and business customers. I believe the direction they are going now is the right one, albeit a bit late getting started. The only unknowns at this point are how well they can execute, and if there will be enough untapped market for them to regain share by the time BB10 gets released.
    12-28-11 09:34 AM
  6. Chrisy's Avatar
    LOL at dumb and dumber!
    12-28-11 09:45 AM
  7. lnichols's Avatar
    And become just another Android OEM with some special features? Motorola is fair headed child of the Android family now that google bought them. I personally think RIM would have been better off buying WebOS as the short term OS switch a couple years ago and QNX as a longer term transition given how slow building an OS over the QNX micro kernel is going. But things are what they are and Tablet OS is very promising and almost ready for prime time, so they should just keep pushing to get it out.
    kbz1960 likes this.
    12-28-11 10:13 AM
  8. belfastdispatcher's Avatar
    Who cares about shareholders lol, live by the sword, die by the sword is what I say, to a certain extent being a shareholder is gambling.

    Never before has a company has been so scrutinized by the end user/consumer.

    I have no idea who's the CEO of my TV, Telephone, internet provider, toaster, laptop, videogames, cooker, fridge, washing machine makers.
    TheScionicMan likes this.
    12-28-11 10:28 AM
  9. West Coast Flavor's Avatar
    I would like to see bb10 first. Best phone of all time is the 9700. I was on a two day bus trip, NON STOP UBER SOCIAL! Phone finally gave out after a day and a half. That was amazing to say the least. If they can come up with the same battery performance.. speed things up whilst adding a top 3 browser experience, RIM WILL BE BACK! If they don't.. I'm done. And may go iPhone.
    12-28-11 11:05 AM
  10. sleepngbear's Avatar
    Who cares about shareholders lol, live by the sword, die by the sword is what I say, to a certain extent being a shareholder is gambling.

    Never before has a company has been so scrutinized by the end user/consumer.

    I have no idea who's the CEO of my TV, Telephone, internet provider, toaster, laptop, videogames, cooker, fridge, washing machine makers.
    From a customer's point of view, most people (except for a very anal few) know nothing about the management structures of the companies whose products they buy and use. But in this case, with us being the rabid fans that we are, it's all kind of inextricably entangled. What the company is doing now and where it is headed are directly tied to the decisions that executive management has -- or has not -- made and continues to make or not make. This particular discussion is around the strategic decision for RIM to stay the course with their proprietary hardware and software; while it seems to some to be a simple choice, the impact on their business could not be more profound.

    Regardless of how much we chosen few continue to relish our beloved BB's, as much as RIM's earlier success is due largely to the vision of the co-CEO's (not to mention a bit of luck for being in the right place with the right product at the right time, because I just don't think they're that smart to have knowingly created the market), really all of RIM's current plight can be traced directly to the narrow-mindedness and inactions of the same two. Despite this predicament they now find themselves in, not every decision they make is a bad one; and in this case, I think their decision to grow a QNX-based OS rather than adopt Android is the right one.

    And ultimately, the shareholders own the company, so its survival and profitability are a whole lot more important to them than to us.
    Last edited by 18to7fiddy; 12-28-11 at 11:11 AM.
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    12-28-11 11:08 AM
  11. TheScionicMan's Avatar
    This old gag again? It seems like people think that Android works like the Terminator chick in T3, just aim it at the device and it's under Android's control. Android OS would also have required considerable customization unless they would go with a vanilla install. And to have it to market, they would have gone with an older version and people would already be complaining for ICS. Android is good for hardware manufacturers that don't have their own platform. But RIM has their own. There's very little that differentiates one Android from the next, much like Windows PCs. Minor hardware differences, mostly the same software.

    The other thing to consider is the life-span of Android OS. Is it infinitely upgradeable or will they have to go through a transition at some point? There's also those licensing fees that many Android device makers are paying to MicroSoft.

    What RIM is going through is painful, but necessary. It's like quickly pulling the bandaid off. It hurts at first, but things get better. Moving to Android would be like putting a new band-aid over the old band-aid...
    12-28-11 11:29 AM
  12. stackberry369's Avatar
    Blackdroid.
    12-28-11 12:10 PM
  13. azrin640's Avatar
    Please do think of what 2012 will bring to RIM. As other android device manufacturer churning out new devices with better spec and OS (yes, android will not stop with ice cream sandwich) for the 1st to 3rd quarter of 2012, RIM is stuck with BlackBerry OS7 until BB10 at the 4th quarter.

    The earnings for the 1st 3 quarter for RIM of course will be reduced since consumers will be waiting for BB10 in the 4th quarter. Why buy the old OS if new OS will come out soon.

    Share prices will plummet in relation with the reduced earnings.

    However, RIM as a device manufacturer can use a ready made OS like Android and build RIM own UI on top of the Android OS to differentiate with other device manufacturer maybe with push email, bbm and bridge for PB to supplement its earnings for the early part of 2012. There is no problem if a company has a few brands for example RIM will have Blackberry with BB10 and Blackcherry for phone running on Android.
    12-28-11 12:34 PM
  14. sleepngbear's Avatar
    Please do think of what 2012 will bring to RIM. As other android device manufacturer churning out new devices with better spec and OS (yes, android will not stop with ice cream sandwich) for the 1st to 3rd quarter of 2012, RIM is stuck with BlackBerry OS7 until BB10 at the 4th quarter.

    The earnings for the 1st 3 quarter for RIM of course will be reduced since consumers will be waiting for BB10 in the 4th quarter. Why buy the old OS if new OS will come out soon.

    Share prices will plummet in relation with the reduced earnings.

    However, RIM as a device manufacturer can use a ready made OS like Android and build RIM own UI on top of the Android OS to differentiate with other device manufacturer maybe with push email, bbm and bridge for PB to supplement its earnings for the early part of 2012. There is no problem if a company has a few brands for example RIM will have Blackberry with BB10 and Blackcherry for phone running on Android.
    Again, as someone else pointed out (I think), and assuming a business case could even be made for it, how long do you think it would take for RIM to develop hardware that could run some flavor of Android, let alone with the security requirements already inherent in any version of BBOS? It's not like you can just slap ICS in a folder and run the Apploader. It would probably take them the same amount of time it's taking to build out BB10 for handheld hardware, if not longer, which means you wouldn't see he first such device on the market until well into 2013. Not feasible, not viable, not beneficial to anyone.
    12-28-11 12:58 PM
  15. azrin640's Avatar
    Blackdroid.
    Yes, Blackdroid is a good name. Blackcherry has been taken anyway..

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    12-28-11 01:04 PM
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