Why Microsoft NEEDS to buy RIM right now
- No. I would much rather see more diffierentiated products, not less. Lets give BB10 a chance before any aquisition talk.
Also, There is no reason RIM can't do a strong pc/tablet/phone intergration. Yes, Apple makes computers, but they also make software and plug ins for windows that allow that seamless intergration too. No reason RIM can't do the same.Last edited by fernandez21; 02-07-12 at 02:27 PM.
cntrydncr223 likes this.02-07-12 02:20 PMLike 1 - Also, the smartphone market is still young. Majority of phones in the market are still feature phones. there's plenty of room for RIM, Google, Apple, Microsoft and maybe even HP to co-exist, just like there's so many different brand of car makers. It's alway nice to have choices.02-07-12 02:25 PMLike 0
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The PlayBook is much better hardware than the TouchPad was. No gain there.
And laptops are dead. Seriously. In two years we'll wonder why we ever even bothered with such clunky, heavy, power-hoggy things.
HP has absolutely nothing of value for RIM.missing_K-W likes this.02-07-12 02:37 PMLike 1 - Why people need to quit thinking RIM needs to be bought by ms, apple, google or anyone else.
Because it ain't happening. Do people really only want 2 choices when it comes to phones and tablets? I don't when the choices are both something I wouldn't choose if I had a choice.02-07-12 02:57 PMLike 0 - Oh, where to begin? For one thing, HP is out of the webOS business, and nobody else wants to be in it. QNX is considerably more secure than webOS' Linux kernal.
The PlayBook is much better hardware than the TouchPad was. No gain there.
And laptops are dead. Seriously. In two years we'll wonder why we ever even bothered with such clunky, heavy, power-hoggy things.
HP has absolutely nothing of value for RIM.02-07-12 03:05 PMLike 0 - I do not see any need for Microsoft to buy RIM. Once Windows 8 is available, the ecosystem (desktop, tablet, smartphone) will be there. Plus with Kinect in the picture, and Office 15, Microsoft will have what it needs.02-07-12 03:15 PMLike 0
- ThunderbuckRetired ModeratorReally? I never knew my 11" macbook air was such a clunky, heavy, power hog..... But your right, who would want a fully featured and powered computer with keyboard when we could just carry arround tablets with limited OS,s, that would be like carring around a fully featured smartphone with keyboard instead of a slab with limited options.
Remember, Jobs himself declared this the "Post-PC" era. After living with a decent tablet for the past several months, I'm beginning to believe him.
Originally Posted by lak611I do not see any need for Microsoft to buy RIM. Once Windows 8 is available, the ecosystem (desktop, tablet, smartphone) will be there. Plus with Kinect in the picture, and Office 15, Microsoft will have what it needs.
Win8 tablets? MS has been trying to do Windows on tablets for almost a decade. Nobody aside from a few vertical VARs are even remotely interested.
Win8 tablet will need to be bigger, heavier and more expensive than either the iPad or the PlayBook. True, in certain Enterprise applications it will fill a niche, but I'm having trouble seeing it do spectacularly well. Better than the PlayBook? Yes, a good chance, I guess, if only due to MS' marketing clout.
Kinect for PC is promising. Maybe. I love it on my Xbox, and it's definitely kind of amazing in its way as a gaming controller, but I'm going to need some convincing on what the desktop applications are.
Windows 8 is looking to be such a clean break from Win7 that I genuinely wonder how many users are going to feel compelled to upgrade. If users don't move to either a tablet or a Kinect PC, Metro is going to suck. After spending years in user support, I can confidently say many users won't even want to try.02-07-12 04:12 PMLike 0 - Microsoft really did not have an actual tablet OS. Their previous iterations were actually desktop versions forced on tablets. As the Android tablets become more fragmented, and as Microsoft finally releases a real tablet OS, I believe they will be a huge player in the market.02-07-12 04:18 PMLike 0
- You know, the 11" segment is probably going to disappear first (and I understand that Apple is preparing a 15" Macbook Air--telling). If you had a decent keyboard for an iPad, what you still need your 11" Air for, exactly?
Remember, Jobs himself declared this the "Post-PC" era. After living with a decent tablet for the past several months, I'm beginning to believe him.
02-07-12 04:28 PMLike 0 - Microsoft really did not have an actual tablet OS. Their previous iterations were actually desktop versions forced on tablets. As the Android tablets become more fragmented, and as Microsoft finally releases a real tablet OS, I believe they will be a huge player in the market.02-07-12 04:33 PMLike 0
- The problem with Microsoft is that success in a market (outside of their very profitable Windows, Office and (on a good day) XBox divisions) is always something that's coming, yet never actually arrives. Windows Mobile, the Zune, and now WP7 were all supposed to be huge players, yet each fizzled out.02-07-12 05:14 PMLike 0
- Look at where Microsoft is going with Windows 8. A unified system across devices. It will do well, how well is anyone's guess. There is lots of money and developers behind. Microsofts model has always been licensing software. Personally the look of Win8 makes me vomit in my mouth but then again I like the way a console looks.
Besides, RIM won't sell, if it was an option it would have already happened. If BB10 doesn't do well the stock may be so low that Mitt Romney and Bain Capital take it over and sell it for parts.02-07-12 05:17 PMLike 0 - Microsoft really did not have an actual tablet OS. Their previous iterations were actually desktop versions forced on tablets. As the Android tablets become more fragmented, and as Microsoft finally releases a real tablet OS, I believe they will be a huge player in the market.02-07-12 05:24 PMLike 0
- RIM will be moving into the multi billion dollar growth market of embedded devices that QNX serves through their existing clientele with BB10....QNX has autonomy in many markets currently and RIM aligning with strategic partnerships with QNX clientele allows RIM to chart their own destiny.
Take this for example. You've seen the demo's of "BB remote" controlling a PB....Nice concept isn't it.....Now see this in the same way RIM hypothetically speaking is looking at BB 10 incorporating this technology: You walk into your local HMO. You are hooked up to a heart monitor. A nurse takes your reading, and as you glance at the heart monitor which just so happens to be operating on a version of BB10. Just an example, however QNX is currently certified to do just that You won't ever see Android, iOS or Windows reading your heart rate.RIM has a current broad level of autonomy that they can utilize BB10 technology. With this opens up a very broad new market for RIM, serving QNX'S existing clientele base.
Mike L was utilizing his visionary capacity when RIM acquired QNX.Last edited by missing_K-W; 02-07-12 at 06:06 PM.
02-07-12 05:29 PMLike 0 - Why all this talk about takeovers? RIM has already said they aren't breaking up and selling the company. So assuming that's true any takeover would have to be a hostile one which is subject to approval from Canadian federal government when the company taking over is foreign to Canada. Ask BHP Billiton how their 40 billion takeover bid for Potash Corp of Sask worked out last year. Federal government rejected it. I suspect they would do the same in a situation with RIM.Thunderbuck likes this.02-07-12 05:40 PMLike 1
- Why all this talk about takeovers? RIM has already said they aren't breaking up and selling the company. So assuming that's true any takeover would have to be a hostile one which is subject to approval from Canadian federal government when the company taking over is foreign to Canada. Ask BHP Billiton how their 40 billion takeover bid for Potash Corp of Sask worked out last year. Federal government rejected it. I suspect they would do the same in a situation with RIM.
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02-07-12 05:50 PMLike 0 - The problem with Microsoft is that success in a market (outside of their very profitable Windows, Office and (on a good day) XBox divisions) is always something that's coming, yet never actually arrives. Windows Mobile, the Zune, and now WP7 were all supposed to be huge players, yet each fizzled out.
Windows Phone and Windows tablets probably will get as much investment as the Xbox did, if not more.
RIM does not have the cash Microsoft has to throw at BB10 if it is not a hit immediately.02-07-12 06:55 PMLike 0 - Microsoft becoming a huge player on the tablet market lyes solely on where their market price will be....I don't personally view many Windows tabs coming in under 500$. Also, Microsoft will be competing against its own desktop and laptop market. There are currently many known variables as well as unknown variables to guage where Microsoft will be in the market in the future.
The netbook is pretty much dead now, and the new Windows tablets (that will be actual tablets, not "tablet PCs") will fit well in the market that had been dominated by netbooks a few years ago.02-07-12 06:58 PMLike 0 - 02-07-12 06:59 PMLike 0
- Microsoft really did not think about tablets in the way consumers and other vendors thought about tablets. Older Windows tablets were more of PCs with a touchscreen, not portable devices that ran apps.
The netbook is pretty much dead now, and the new Windows tablets (that will be actual tablets, not "tablet PCs") will fit well in the market that had been dominated by netbooks a few years ago.02-07-12 07:01 PMLike 0 -
- Not necessarily. If a big player wanted to buy it, they could. It's called a hostile takeover. More expensive, but gets the job done.
MS could do it. Whether or not they'd want to is debatable. They technically own Nokia now, without having to pay anything.02-07-12 08:00 PMLike 0 - Microsoft has not tried. They intentionally left out business oriented features to focus on the consumer market. Your post makes no sense because you make too many ignorant assumptions.The only reason I say this is that Microsoft has not been able to get into the corporate marketplace with its Windows phone. If they buy RIM they get instant access to the corporate phone market. But the longer they wait, the smaller that BlackBerry Corporate market gets. That is why they need to do it now.
The ecosystem for the corporate market is phone, computer, and tablet integration. That is why we are seeing the exodus to iOS. They already have this corporate ecosystem. RIM is missing the Computer parter, Microsoft needs quick access to the phone and tablet part.
(also, I'm not saying 'RIM needs to sell itself to Microsoft'. I'm saying 'Microsoft needs to buy RIM').
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