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Yes... that's exactly what it is because I have a 9800 in my posession.I think there are a few complaints bundled into one post here.
The likely trigger of this outburst was loss of data saved to that partition when the device failed. On the iPhone such loss would be mitigated by the fact that iTunes manages device storage, whereas the user is responsible for it on the BlackBerry. The data was probably not backed up and hence the rage.
That rage is then channeled into an old complaint about app space for the entertainment of forum users
Seriously, synth, stop trying to make educated guesses... all you're doing is failing. 
BTW, I have never used the internal media memory on the S1 or S2 or any other device that came with it. I always store all my stuff on the SD cards. PIM backups happen from time to time and SD card backups happen with image snapshots of the drive when Mass Storage Mode is enabled. So... ummmm... ya, nice try.
The point of this thread has already been explained by AG and several others who "get" the point. It's about app space and the fact that someone at RIM seems to think it's a good idea to have this internal (non-removable) media memory for some reason on these phones. RIM's made the 9800 for AT&T and their mentality is that it's probably going to be the 9000 replacement that users flock to. That being said, since the 9000 came with 1GB of internal media memory, they thought it would be a good idea to give users a bump. This is the same principal they did with the S2 having doubled internal media memory then the S1. The bad moves here is that these phones need more memory for the OS/APPS/PIM management, NOT media. You want to store media, get a memory card. And to make it even worse, (right now), you can't even argue that they put in the additional memory for the benefit of apps running from it, because not even OS6 brings this to the table. So, in the end it's a waste... why? Simple, by the time RIM makes enough OS advancements to even attempt to run things off these other allocated memory pools, the OS will be too big to run on the 512MB of flash memory they put in the same model phone anyway. Heck, OS6 pretty much takes up over 1/2 of the available flash memory app space of the 9800.06-27-10 10:03 AM - I agree with your post details, but not the bolded part. "Storing installs" of apps to the internal media memory is a pretty useless bit if you ask me. If you want an example of how low I view this, it's about as useful as taking a picture of a watch, cutting out the watch, and then taping that to your wrist rather then the real thing. lol
I will agree that such storage of app installs "help" when it comes down to not wanting to keep using bandwidth to download the same things over and over again when you want to use it, but conversely, this wouldn't need to happen if there was enough app space, as you could simply install the app and just not uninstall it since you're not short on space constantly. So, the bottom line is, if this was RIM's reasoning for the internal media memory benefit, they're going around their elbow to band aid it.
The issue is one of either a handset doesn't do something in perticular or that a handset isn't available on my choice of carrier.
Examples:
Android phones with large amounts of app memory space exist (Incredible and X). However, Android doesn't support all the ActiveSync security profiles I have a need for. So, that equates into no Android phone is currently capable of what I need.
iPhones support said ActiveSync profiles that I need access to, but it's not available on Verizon. So, that equates into no iPhone is currently capable of what I need.
Solution:
Solve these two problems for me in a sleek and sexy looking handset and I'll have a new phone.
Really, the reason I'm still with a RIM handset in my posession is because I'm tired of compromises. Why change handsets to something else with further compromises when I can stay with what I have and deal with my current set of compromises. There will be no improvements by switching and even if there are, the improvements aren't vast enough to warrant a switch in my opinion.
However, with all this said, this is most certainly not going to make me want to stop face palming or questioning the stupidity of RIM's ways of doing things each time I see a new BB handset hit the market. RIM's heading down the same path and making the same mistakes over and over again. It's like looking at a company that releases products that were developed for the past... 2 years in the past to be exact. I think Mike needs a hot tub time machine to fix his company's product development issues.06-27-10 10:23 AM - May be wishful thinking on my part, but I assume that's a full install, and there's lots of shrinking that can be done? Otherwise there's going to be a lot of 9700 owners out there severely discontent soon.Yes... that's exactly what it is because I have a 9800 in my posession. Seriously, synth, stop trying to make educated guesses... all you're doing is failing.
BTW, I have never used the internal media memory on the S1 or S2 or any other device that came with it. I always store all my stuff on the SD cards. PIM backups happen from time to time and SD card backups happen with image snapshots of the drive when Mass Storage Mode is enabled. So... ummmm... ya, nice try.
The point of this thread has already been explained by AG and several others who "get" the point. It's about app space and the fact that someone at RIM seems to think it's a good idea to have this internal (non-removable) media memory for some reason on these phones. RIM's made the 9800 for AT&T and their mentality is that it's probably going to be the 9000 replacement that users flock to. That being said, since the 9000 came with 1GB of internal media memory, they thought it would be a good idea to give users a bump. This is the same principal they did with the S2 having doubled internal media memory then the S1. The bad moves here is that these phones need more memory for the OS/APPS/PIM management, NOT media. You want to store media, get a memory card. And to make it even worse, (right now), you can't even argue that they put in the additional memory for the benefit of apps running from it, because not even OS6 brings this to the table. So, in the end it's a waste... why? Simple, by the time RIM makes enough OS advancements to even attempt to run things off these other allocated memory pools, the OS will be too big to run on the 512MB of flash memory they put in the same model phone anyway. Heck, OS6 pretty much takes up over 1/2 of the available flash memory app space of the 9800.
Posted from my �berSupercharged Onyx at Idon'tneednostinkin'mobileview.crackberry.com06-27-10 10:52 AM - I agree with your post details, but not the bolded part. "Storing installs" of apps to the internal media memory is a pretty useless bit if you ask me. If you want an example of how low I view this, it's about as useful as taking a picture of a watch, cutting out the watch, and then taping that to your wrist rather then the real thing. lol
I will agree that such storage of app installs "help" when it comes down to not wanting to keep using bandwidth to download the same things over and over again when you want to use it, but conversely, this wouldn't need to happen if there was enough app space, as you could simply install the app and just not uninstall it since you're not short on space constantly. So, the bottom line is, if this was RIM's reasoning for the internal media memory benefit, they're going around their elbow to band aid it.
The issue is one of either a handset doesn't do something in perticular or that a handset isn't available on my choice of carrier.
Examples:
Android phones with large amounts of app memory space exist (Incredible and X). However, Android doesn't support all the ActiveSync security profiles I have a need for. So, that equates into no Android phone is currently capable of what I need.
iPhones support said ActiveSync profiles that I need access to, but it's not available on Verizon. So, that equates into no iPhone is currently capable of what I need.
Solution:
Solve these two problems for me in a sleek and sexy looking handset and I'll have a new phone.
Really, the reason I'm still with a RIM handset in my posession is because I'm tired of compromises. Why change handsets to something else with further compromises when I can stay with what I have and deal with my current set of compromises. There will be no improvements by switching and even if there are, the improvements aren't vast enough to warrant a switch in my opinion.
However, with all this said, this is most certainly not going to make me want to stop face palming or questioning the stupidity of RIM's ways of doing things each time I see a new BB handset hit the market. RIM's heading down the same path and making the same mistakes over and over again. It's like looking at a company that releases products that were developed for the past... 2 years in the past to be exact. I think Mike needs a hot tub time machine to fix his company's product development issues.
LOL! at the watch!!
I'm kind of in agreement with face palming some of RIM's choices, but am not as much of a pesimist as you. I think Mike does need some fresh people in his product development team, I think they need to look at 2 streams of development, a flagship Consumer device, charge more for it, put more into it, people are willing to pay, Apple actually banks on that with their computer market, and is successful, RIM you can do that with your smartphone line. They can keep growing with their current business model, seeing as many company's go on a 2-3 year upgrade cycle the incremental increases that RIM releases are enough over 3 years, heck I have customers who are currently "upgrading" to 9000's and they are amazed, at the differences between that and their previous 7000 series BB's, when they get what ever comes after the 9800 in 3 years they again will be impressed,06-27-10 11:02 AM - I've said it before that 256MB models will become the new S1 of OS6. You'll be running around with 30MB or so of free memory or less. It happened with OS4.5 for 64/96MB models, it happened with OS5 and 128MB models, it'll happen with OS6 and 256MB models.
And there is part of the issue. Uninformed consumers and CS people working for companies pushing out 2 year old models like they're new to people who don't know any better. If you ask me, the 9000 should have been retired a long time ago (i.e. when the 9700 came out), but you won't see that happen I don't think until the 9800 comes out. Frankly, I don't even know why people buy the 9k anymore... aside from maybe it's looks, sound, and comfortable size. It's really a shame that RIM's going the way of smaller design... there's nothing wrong with that, but it's badly implemented if you ask me. I think RIM's fault is that they don't really have "cool" enough people working for them. By this I mean, they don't have designers (both software and hardware) that know what's hot and what's not. Just look at all the older generations of the people we see in different interviews of project managers, etc. from RIM. It's not their fault, even American auto manufacturers suffer from the same issues. That's why they can't design a car that looks good, while the Euro and Aussie versions of them look tons better.
I think it's time to retire Mr. Spacely and George Jetson and let Elroy run the crews for a while and see what pops out.
06-27-10 02:03 PM - I've said it before that 256MB models will become the new S1 of OS6. You'll be running around with 30MB or so of free memory or less. It happened with OS4.5 for 64/96MB models, it happened with OS5 and 128MB models, it'll happen with OS6 and 256MB models.
And there is part of the issue. Uninformed consumers and CS people working for companies pushing out 2 year old models like they're new to people who don't know any better. If you ask me, the 9000 should have been retired a long time ago (i.e. when the 9700 came out), but you won't see that happen I don't think until the 9800 comes out. Frankly, I don't even know why people buy the 9k anymore... aside from maybe it's looks, sound, and comfortable size. It's really a shame that RIM's going the way of smaller design... there's nothing wrong with that, but it's badly implemented if you ask me. I think RIM's fault is that they don't really have "cool" enough people working for them. By this I mean, they don't have designers (both software and hardware) that know what's hot and what's not. Just look at all the older generations of the people we see in different interviews of project managers, etc. from RIM. It's not their fault, even American auto manufacturers suffer from the same issues. That's why they can't design a car that looks good, while the Euro and Aussie versions of them look tons better.
I think it's time to retire Mr. Spacely and George Jetson and let Elroy run the crews for a while and see what pops out.
Really the 9000 is still a great phone, for the users that I know with it, they don't surf the net, they don't download apps, heck when I show them themes they are like cool, but don't do that to my phone I know this one. we are talking the 45y+ croud here, non tech people, mostly manufacture reps as that is what I am, the 9000 is still a great phone, great size, RIM small form factor devices are not what these people want, and the company's upgrading upgrade for proven technology both hardware and software, chances are they wont touch it until it is 2 years in public,
RIM is still an old boys club, as I said before, they need 2 lines of development, cutting edge, and old boys club.06-27-10 03:36 PM
