[bap3221]

Wondering how much they sold. Doubt they will categorize it under miscellaneous like apple did with their iwatches. Nobody knew how much they sold. That's when you know it's a flop. LOL!

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[Al moon]

same like the priv i think if they would have been selling them left and right there would be reports of how well the thing has sold but nothing its unreal

[JeepBB]

We'll learn more at the next ER - 1st April IIRC

Though, I'm not sure how much more we'll learn as BB are trying their hardest to be obscure. However, unless the total device sales are significantly north of the 700k of last quarter, the Priv won't be selling anywhere near enough to meet Chen's 5M/year break even point.

I have to say the mood music isn't encouraging. The complete absence of "sales meeting our expectations" announcements isn't a good sign. If the Priv really was selling like hot cakes... Well... you don't generally keep that kind of news to yourself!

[JulesDB]

All the poor indicators show it's not doing good and way less than Z10 and Passport did

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[Al moon]

All the poor indicators show it's not doing good and way less than Z10 and Passport did

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Holy dirty street workers if this is true that's just absolutely terrible but it just might be true since it's just so expensive and BlackBerry themselves haven't even come close to saying anything about sales.


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[BB_Junky]

Ha ha ha , you haters wish it was selling worse than the passport .....

[Carjackd]

Ha ha ha , you haters wish it was selling worse than the passport .....

I returned my Priv last week for repair (creakgate). The manager at the Rogers store said "I haven't seen this yet and we sell a lot of them. " I think they are doing pretty good numbers in Canada....not crazy numbers but they are holding their own. What we really need to see is respectable numbers from the US and other markets.


Time will tell

[kvndoom]

We'll know in March. Sooner perhaps if a supplier leaks some info on parts shipments (# of screens sold or # of keyboards produced, something like that).

I'm cautiously optimistic.

BlackBerry Classic non-camera, Cricket Wireless

[missing_K-W]

All the poor indicators show it's not doing good and way less than Z10 and Passport did

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What indicators?

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[JulesDB]

What indicators?

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Google Play downloads and selling inferences

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[Jaiden]

Google Play downloads and selling inferences

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The Blackberry content transfer app is over 500000 downloads. Not sure what other apps you can use as a measure.

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[JeepBB]

The Blackberry content transfer app is over 500000 downloads. Not sure what other apps you can use as a measure.

We did this.

The BB content transfer app is very old (3 years or more), and was originally intended to help Android folks transfer to BB10 IIRC. It's now been reversed to help BB10 guys move to Android (Priv).

TL,DR; Those download numbers imply nothing for Priv sales.

[missing_K-W]

Google Play downloads and selling inferences

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You have to be kidding about the Google Play metrics.

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[Dunt Dunt Dunt]

You have to be kidding about the Google Play metrics.

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Do you have any indicators it's selling well?

I look at Android Central.. crickets over in the PRIV section there.

I look at CrackBerry.... activity is ok, but nothing compared to the Passport. Never mind the BB10 faithful that believe Android is the death of BlackBerry.

I look at reviews on Amazon and AT&T.... like all BlackBerry devices that were mostly bought by fans only anyway, they are very positive. But the Passport had almost 500 reviews on Amazon after three months, the PRIV just has 50. (you could say that is due to AT&T having it out of the gate and they didn't have the passport)

S too be honest, we don't know how sales are going. Until we get the next ER, we won't "know". Of course even then it won't reflect much of Verizon's sales and there are still other markets going live..... so Chen will I'm sure point out that they are only now able to see their full potential, thus making everyone wait to June to see how sales are "really" going.

[missing_K-W]

Do you have any indicators it's selling well?

I look at Android Central.. crickets over in the PRIV section there.

I look at CrackBerry.... activity is ok, but nothing compared to the Passport. Never mind the BB10 faithful that believe Android is the death of BlackBerry.

I look at reviews on Amazon and AT&T.... like all BlackBerry devices that were mostly bought by fans only anyway, they are very positive. But the Passport had almost 500 reviews on Amazon after three months, the PRIV just has 50.

Too be honest, we don't know how sales are going. Until we get the next ER, we won't "know". Of course even then it won't reflect much of Verizon's sales and there are still other markets going live..... so Chen will I'm sure point out that they are only now able to see their full potential, thus making everyone wait to June to see how sales are "really" going.

You do realize that the Passport wasn't available to AT&T until sometime after it was available to Amazon?

Most unlocked Amazon Passports sold were to those who were AT&T customers.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

You do realize that AT&T had the PRIV before Amazon this time around? One would hope so.

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[missing_K-W]

Do you have any indicators it's selling well?

I look at Android Central.. crickets over in the PRIV section there.

I look at CrackBerry.... activity is ok, but nothing compared to the Passport. Never mind the BB10 faithful that believe Android is the death of BlackBerry.

I look at reviews on Amazon and AT&T.... like all BlackBerry devices that were mostly bought by fans only anyway, they are very positive. But the Passport had almost 500 reviews on Amazon after three months, the PRIV just has 50. (you could say that is due to AT&T having it out of the gate and they didn't have the passport)

S too be honest, we don't know how sales are going. Until we get the next ER, we won't "know". Of course even then it won't reflect much of Verizon's sales and there are still other markets going live..... so Chen will I'm sure point out that they are only now able to see their full potential, thus making everyone wait to June to see how sales are "really" going.

The most basic indicator that sales are at least up to BlackBerry expectations is that BlackBerry will release another Android BlackBerry device this year. Pretty good for a hardware division in question.

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[Bluenoser63]

They won't. They will wrap the Priv sales up with BBOS and BB10 phone sales.

[Bluenoser63]

The most basic indicator that sales are at least up to BlackBerry expectations is that BlackBerry will release another Android BlackBerry device this year. Pretty good for a hardware division in question.

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OH. That worked out great with BB10 devices. They released the Silver Passport because Passport sales were so great.

[missing_K-W]

OH. That worked out great with BB10 devices. They released the Silver Passport because Passport sales were so great.

I would assume sales of the PRIV are horrible. First AT&T exclusivity.....next T Moblile. Lastly Sprint and Verizon.........All supporting a product that is in the dumps.

Come on really people?

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[Bluenoser63]

I would assume sales of the PRIV are horrible. First AT&T exclusivity.....next T Moblile. Lastly Sprint and Verizon.........All supporting a product that is in the dumps.

Come on really people?

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They sold BB10 devices in the past didn't they? How did that turn out into sales?

[missing_K-W]

They sold BB10 devices in the past didn't they? How did that turn out into sales?

"Product" across the board(all carriers)? Or "products" across the board(all carriers)?



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[ohaiguise]

Given the price, I'd be surprised if they sold many at all.

[JeepBB]

They won't. They will wrap the Priv sales up with BBOS and BB10 phone sales.

Yup, that's exactly what they'll do.

However, that attempt at obscurity won't work completely. Trying to hide behind the skimpy cover provided by what I expect to be pitiful BBOS & BB10 sales numbers is unlikely to be very successful.

They have to declare in the ER the total devices sold, even if they don't have to break it down by OS. If that total isn't (say) twice the pitiful 700K that was sold last quarter, then devices aren't selling at even close to the numbers BB say it has to do. As I doubt BB10 sales will increase this quarter (do you? ), the lion's share of the sales is likely down to the Priv. And Chen needs to move 1.25M/quarter to meet his own breakeven criteria. Any less, and BB Hardware likely goes bye-bye within 2016.

If the April ER and the July ER sales figures aren't achieving that 5M/year floor, then hardware isn't profitable and Chen has already stated what he'll do if hardware isn't profitable.

[Bluenoser63]

Yup, that's exactly what they'll do.

However, that attempt at obscurity won't work completely. Trying to hide behind the skimpy cover provided by what I expect to be pitiful BBOS & BB10 sales numbers is unlikely to be very successful.

They have to declare in the ER the total devices sold, even if they don't have to break it down by OS. If that total isn't (say) twice the pitiful 700K that was sold last quarter, then devices aren't selling at even close to the numbers BB say it has to do. As I doubt BB10 sales will increase this quarter (do you? ), the lion's share of the sales is likely down to the Priv. And Chen needs to move 1.25M/quarter to meet his own breakeven criteria. Any less, and BB Hardware likely goes bye-bye within 2016.

If the April ER and the July ER sales figures aren't achieving that 5M/year floor, then hardware isn't profitable and Chen has already stated what he'll do if hardware isn't profitable.

Chen was either an ID10T or a genius to say that he would stop making hardware if they didn't make money. If he actually wanted to sell hardware, he would be an ID10T as this statement only makes people give a second thought about buying a phone that a company may stop making. If he didn't want to sell hardware, then he is a genius as it would guarantee that people wouldn't buy the phones for the same reason.

So which is he? A genius or ID10T for making that statement and continuing to do so.