03-21-17 02:46 AM
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  1. ikeloyalBB's Avatar
    Hey,

    I read somewhere that they started outsourcing in 2012 to the Taiwanese the company Foxconn. Was this the first time or did they start before?

    Which company(s) actually made the Dtek50 and Dtek60?
    03-17-17 04:42 PM
  2. SlcCorrado's Avatar
    TCL makes the dteks. They are modified versions of the alcatel idol 4 and 4s.
    03-17-17 04:45 PM
  3. blackberrybrad's Avatar
    Define outsourcing? They had a manufacturing facility in Canada, but I believe that's the only one they owned.

    I believe Bla1ze has a made in Canada passport??? But they would have outsourced most to a contract manufacturer for years.

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    03-17-17 05:22 PM
  4. mrfreeze's Avatar
    Define outsourcing? They had a manufacturing facility in Canada, but I believe that's the only one they owned.

    I believe Bla1ze has a made in Canada passport??? But they would have outsourced most to a contract manufacturer for years.

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    They had a facilities in Mexico too.
    03-17-17 05:23 PM
  5. blackberrybrad's Avatar
    They had a facilities in Mexico too.
    But did they own those facilities?

    Posted via CB10
    03-17-17 05:23 PM
  6. mrfreeze's Avatar
    But did they own those facilities?

    Posted via CB10
    I believe so, but I'm probably wrong on that.
    03-17-17 05:26 PM
  7. blackberrybrad's Avatar
    Alright I did some "research", aka Google search. Well according to CrackBerry's own Chris Umi, based only on this article, the facility in Ontario was used for New Product Introduction manufacturing and owned by BlackBerry.

    They like many companies used contract manufacturers.

    http://m.crackberry.com/rim-consolid...-blackberry-10

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    03-17-17 05:35 PM
  8. thurask's Avatar
    I believe so, but I'm probably wrong on that.
    I think those were Wistron.
    03-17-17 05:50 PM
  9. ikeloyalBB's Avatar
    TCL makes the dteks. They are modified versions of the alcatel idol 4 and 4s.
    I thought so.

    There are people within this huge forum who were saying that the Dteks were built from scratch. But they are clearly the alcatel idols.

    Thanks for the clarification.
    03-17-17 06:21 PM
  10. ikeloyalBB's Avatar
    The fact that they have been outsourcing for years shows the genius of Lazaridis and Balsille. They outsourced years ago, or thought of the idea.

    Since TCL made the 50 and 60, was the "big" announcement in September genuine? To me they used the 50 and 60 as a "tester" to see if they could work with TCL to be their "main" partner.
    03-17-17 06:25 PM
  11. app_Developer's Avatar
    Jabil made BlackBerry phones for a long time. In fact that might have been their largest customer for a while.
    03-17-17 07:19 PM
  12. blackberrybrad's Avatar
    The fact that they have been outsourcing for years shows the genius of Lazaridis and Balsille. They outsourced years ago, or thought of the idea.

    Since TCL made the 50 and 60, was the "big" announcement in September genuine? To me they used the 50 and 60 as a "tester" to see if they could work with TCL to be their "main" partner.
    They never thought of the idea. Outsourcing has been going on for decades. The fact that there were contract manufacturers available to BlackBerry demonstrates that they didn't think of the idea.



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    03-17-17 07:51 PM
  13. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    BB started outsourcing manufacturing in 2004, but I'm not clear on who the contract manufacturer(s) were. By at least 2008, Jabil Circuit was the primary (and perhaps exclusive) contract manufacturer for phones, and made everything that didn't come from the small facility in Waterloo where prototyping and pre-production phones were made (and where standard manufacturing was done on a small scale when available).

    The Playbook, just like the Amazon Fire tablet, was based on a reference design from Quanta Computer, a big contract manufacturer that's made products for Apple, HP, Dell, LG, and many others (they're the biggest manufacturer of notebooks in the world).

    Jabil's contract with BB ended upon completion of the Z30 production run in October of 2013. Subsequent BB10 phones were made by Wistron and Foxconn, and then of course, TCL came in with the DTEKs and now the K1.
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    03-17-17 08:06 PM
  14. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    They never thought of the idea. Outsourcing has been going on for decades. The fact that there were contract manufacturers available to BlackBerry demonstrates that they didn't think of the idea.
    The Atari 2600 (released in September 1977) was manufactured by Foxconn (Hon Hai) from late 1978 onward, so obviously the concept has been with us a while.
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    03-17-17 08:20 PM
  15. ikeloyalBB's Avatar
    Define outsourcing? They had a manufacturing facility in Canada, but I believe that's the only one they owned.

    I believe Bla1ze has a made in Canada passport??? But they would have outsourced most to a contract manufacturer for years.

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    Get a third party to actually make the phones
    03-18-17 07:32 AM
  16. ikeloyalBB's Avatar
    BB started outsourcing manufacturing in 2004, but I'm not clear on who the contract manufacturer(s) were. By at least 2008, Jabil Circuit was the primary (and perhaps exclusive) contract manufacturer for phones, and made everything that didn't come from the small facility in Waterloo where prototyping and pre-production phones were made (and where standard manufacturing was done on a small scale when available).

    The Playbook, just like the Amazon Fire tablet, was based on a reference design from Quanta Computer, a big contract manufacturer that's made products for Apple, HP, Dell, LG, and many others (they're the biggest manufacturer of notebooks in the world).

    Jabil's contract with BB ended upon completion of the Z30 production run in October of 2013. Subsequent BB10 phones were made by Wistron and Foxconn, and then of course, TCL came in with the DTEKs and now the K1.
    Troy this is brilliant. Thank you, very insightful!!
    03-18-17 07:58 AM
  17. DrBoomBotz's Avatar
    OP prison or coma?
    03-18-17 10:38 AM
  18. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Here's an article that talked a bit about some of the contract manufacturers that BB has had over the years:

    Research In Motion consolidating manufacturing in the shift towards BlackBerry 10 | CrackBerry.com
    BigBadWulf and ikeloyalBB like this.
    03-18-17 06:40 PM
  19. BigBadWulf's Avatar
    The fact that they have been outsourcing for years shows the genius of Lazaridis and Balsille. They outsourced years ago, or thought of the idea.

    Since TCL made the 50 and 60, was the "big" announcement in September genuine? To me they used the 50 and 60 as a "tester" to see if they could work with TCL to be their "main" partner.
    There's a big difference between a couple production runs, modifying existing product, and a licensing contract to manufacture unique phones under a new division. Yes, I believe it is genuine.
    03-19-17 12:14 AM
  20. anon(9710735)'s Avatar
    Define outsourcing? They had a manufacturing facility in Canada, but I believe that's the only one they owned.

    I believe Bla1ze has a made in Canada passport??? But they would have outsourced most to a contract manufacturer for years.

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    Made in Canada sounds really cool.

    Posted via CB10
    03-19-17 08:21 AM
  21. ikeloyalBB's Avatar
    Did RIM/BlackBerry ever manufacture a phone in house?
    03-19-17 01:20 PM
  22. thurask's Avatar
    Did RIM/BlackBerry ever manufacture a phone in house?
    They had one plant in Waterloo, but that was for prototypes and limited runs. More substantive phone releases required third-party sourcing.
    BigBadWulf likes this.
    03-19-17 01:21 PM
  23. BigBadWulf's Avatar
    Even Apple, with all its resources, outsources phone production. Other than Samsung, I'm not sure anyone manufactures in house.
    03-19-17 01:30 PM
  24. Bla1ze's Avatar
    I believe Bla1ze has a made in Canada passport??? But they would have outsourced most to a contract manufacturer for years.
    Arguably, a small collector's item.

    When did RIM/BlackBerry start outsourcing hardware?-20170319_161633.jpg
    A factory unlocked, unbranded AT&T BlackBerry Passport from the lines in Waterloo.
    BigBadWulf, jope28 and stlabrat like this.
    03-19-17 02:18 PM
  25. BigBadWulf's Avatar




    Funny though... my other Z10 you'd think would have been made in Canaduh, isn't.

    03-19-17 04:34 PM
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