What is the remaining BlackBerry value?
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- I wish I could get a flagship with a polycarbonate material like the gorgeous Nokia Lumia 1020/1520.
Really tired of all those glass slabs.Laura Knotek likes this.11-05-19 01:41 AMLike 1 - The only modern polycarbonate phones I can think of are the KEY2 LE and Pixel 3a / 3aXLLaura Knotek likes this.11-05-19 07:21 AMLike 1
- Nobody has yet mentioned the blue dot notifier which stops BB users looking like every other idiot, constantly checking for messages. It is elegant beyond belief and I will die without it.
Next up is Hub which, combined with search makes a BB user with a big, multi-faceted life infinitely more efficient than someone using any of the competition.
Then the possibility to choose how emails are displayed, including to have sent emails displayed separately.
And then of course the PKB.....as well as DTEK, battery life, rubber back.
I simply cannot believe that KEy2 and Key2LE are going to disappear. There is simply nothing else in the market place that does half of the jobs half as well as BB.coffee-turtle likes this.11-05-19 09:26 AMLike 1 - Nobody has yet mentioned the blue dot notifier which stops BB users looking like every other idiot, constantly checking for messages. It is elegant beyond belief and I will die without it.
Next up is Hub which, combined with search makes a BB user with a big, multi-faceted life infinitely more efficient than someone using any of the competition.
Then the possibility to choose how emails are displayed, including to have sent emails displayed separately.
And then of course the PKB.....as well as DTEK, battery life, rubber back.
I simply cannot believe that KEy2 and Key2LE are going to disappear. There is simply nothing else in the market place that does half of the jobs half as well as BB.phuoc and John Albert like this.11-05-19 09:55 AMLike 2 - Nobody has yet mentioned the blue dot notifier which stops BB users looking like every other idiot, constantly checking for messages. It is elegant beyond belief and I will die without it.
Next up is Hub which, combined with search makes a BB user with a big, multi-faceted life infinitely more efficient than someone using any of the competition.
Then the possibility to choose how emails are displayed, including to have sent emails displayed separately.
And then of course the PKB.....as well as DTEK, battery life, rubber back.
I simply cannot believe that KEy2 and Key2LE are going to disappear. There is simply nothing else in the market place that does half of the jobs half as well as BB.
BlackBerry phones were better at being a boring business tool that could be ignored when nothing needed my attention, and I will sorely miss that when BB10 stops working.
From the screen of my trusty Z10 using the exceptional BlackBerry VKB.11-05-19 11:06 AMLike 0 - Doubt there will be either. Android Central and iMore both are lively around current flagship high volume models. It’s not just BBMo that gets ignored but LG, Moto, Nokia and the other second tier brands. It’s simply a numbers game much like when BlackBerry, Palm and Microsoft ruled the conversation last decade.
Back in the day the fixes were more involved and questions were needed. While iMore has a lot of traffic these days, I don't know that they have a lot of forum activity. The help folks need is more general.Laura Knotek and coffee-turtle like this.11-05-19 11:16 AMLike 2 - The brand is living its worst days probably along the last 18 years. Day by day, BlackBerry value is diminishing. We already lost the huge value of a unique operating system and the hardware made by BlackBerry Limited.
Today, I think these are the remaining features that I will miss if I ditch my Key2:
- Definitely, the gorgeous physical keyboard.
- Dtek app. I guess it is very unique and useful.
- BlackBerry virtual keyboard was amazing before the latest update. I used to love it, but I really don't know why the keyboard is a big mess rightnow, at least for me.
- I also feel safer with BlackBerry Secure software, but I don't know if it is more secure than Samsung software, for instance!
- I don't use the hub or other BlackBerry apps regularly, but still love the phased out Power Center.
What about you? Where do you see BlackBerry value?
What BlackBerry feature you really need?
Do you think your life will be harder if no more BlackBerry devices?
Samsung and now switching cloud drive over to Microsoft one drive moving stuff from South Korea to the United States of America and making it inherently unsafe.11-05-19 11:50 AMLike 0 -
I wonder if BlackBerry will start looking for licensees for these features. I know a lot of their mobile patents are outdated, but I'm sure they still have a good portfolio of patents that other phone manufacturers can utilize. If BB gets out the phone business altogether, then there's really no reason not to...11-05-19 11:59 AMLike 0 - That's a good point. Other than the relief of not having to constantly check, I can only imagine how much battery life is being saved by not turning the screen on a million times a day.
I wonder if BlackBerry will start looking for licensees for these features. I know a lot of their mobile patents are outdated, but I'm sure they still have a good portfolio of patents that other phone manufacturers can utilize. If BB gets out the phone business altogether, then there's really no reason not to...Laura Knotek likes this.11-05-19 12:06 PMLike 1 - They did get out from the phone business three years ago. Everything was packaged for licensing. There’s probably not enough money to bother with parting out separately. It would be like offering salvaged Ford Pintos and since that failed, offering to sell the fuel tank design to GM for their Oldsmobile line today.
While its become pretty clear that consumers don't see the value in the BlackBerry "collection" in its entirety, I think they, and other manufacturers could see the value in some of the bits and pieces. And unless BlackBerry has to spend a fortune to seek out some suitors, I don't think they have anything to lose by licensing out the most valuable and relevant features/patents.11-05-19 12:53 PMLike 0 - I hear what you're saying, but I don't think the analogy fits. You're comparing the complete collection of BlackBerry patents/software/etc. to a Ford Pinto and any singular one to a fuel tank design. In reality, every car has a fuel tank, and unless there is something majorly special about a Pinto's fuel tank, there's really no value in it.
While its become pretty clear that consumers don't see the value in the BlackBerry "collection" in its entirety, I think they, and other manufacturers could see the value in some of the bits and pieces. And unless BlackBerry has to spend a fortune to seek out some suitors, I don't think they have anything to lose by licensing out the most valuable and relevant features/patents.11-05-19 01:40 PMLike 0 - There is a lot more value for BlackBerry's patents within the context of cross-licensing agreements with companies like Samsung, Google and Apple, who can then use BlackBerry's intellectual property in their products without fear of subsequent lawsuits from BlackBerry. In return, BlackBerry licenses their IP which it is free to include in its endpoint security products.
These kinds of mutually defensive licensing agreements have become the norm in the tech sector.
From the screen of my trusty Z10 using the exceptional BlackBerry VKB.elfabio80 likes this.11-05-19 01:47 PMLike 1 - My analogy was that Pinto was known for exploding gas tanks. Something nobody chooses to license. Much that same way, the vast majority of licenses could have been licensed out since 2012-2013 when BB really needed the money until 2016 when BB chose to license the bundle for maximum revenue. That was BB last stand for patent value in mobile hardware other than PKB which nobody seems to want so what’s the point?11-05-19 02:55 PMLike 0
- You missed the "premium material" part. Rubber-coated plastic is seen as cheap and low-end. And this is coming from someone who prefers plastic over glass personally - the market values aluminum, magnesium, and glass as "premium materials" and as long as they keep buying such flagship phones in big numbers, that isn't going to change.Dunt Dunt Dunt and Laura Knotek like this.11-05-19 03:09 PMLike 2
- I hear what you're saying, but I don't think the analogy fits. You're comparing the complete collection of BlackBerry patents/software/etc. to a Ford Pinto and any singular one to a fuel tank design. In reality, every car has a fuel tank, and unless there is something majorly special about a Pinto's fuel tank, there's really no value in it.
While its become pretty clear that consumers don't see the value in the BlackBerry "collection" in its entirety, I think they, and other manufacturers could see the value in some of the bits and pieces. And unless BlackBerry has to spend a fortune to seek out some suitors, I don't think they have anything to lose by licensing out the most valuable and relevant features/patents.
Not sure what else you could expect from them at this point....
But the NAME probable isn't up for useage and bottom line I'm not sure anyone needs a PKB patent...11-05-19 03:26 PMLike 0 - You missed the "premium material" part. Rubber-coated plastic is seen as cheap and low-end. And this is coming from someone who prefers plastic over glass personally - the market values aluminum, magnesium, and glass as "premium materials" and as long as they keep buying such flagship phones in big numbers, that isn't going to change.
And plastic is seen as cheap but rubber/leather style materials are seen as premiums...
It's just that the latter have been savagely abandoned by OEM's in favor of the heavier, more fragile and useless glass finishes instead because in the smartphone world, it's clearly form function. And it's ridiculous.
Glass back has ZERO advantage over rubbery.bd69 likes this.11-05-19 03:31 PMLike 1 - Glass backs are just idiotic, period.
And plastic is seen as cheap but rubber/leather style materials are seen as premiums...
It's just that the latter have been savagely abandoned by OEM's in favor of the heavier, more fragile and useless glass finishes instead because in the smartphone world, it's clearly form function. And it's ridiculous.
Glass back has ZERO advantage over rubbery.Laura Knotek and TgeekB like this.11-05-19 03:34 PMLike 2 - You missed the "premium material" part. Rubber-coated plastic is seen as cheap and low-end. And this is coming from someone who prefers plastic over glass personally - the market values aluminum, magnesium, and glass as "premium materials" and as long as they keep buying such flagship phones in big numbers, that isn't going to change.
I think Apple tired that, but I don't remember too many branded Apple cases... so even they must have their limits.Laura Knotek likes this.11-05-19 03:37 PMLike 1 - Too there is a big difference in the need for help and support today... which is why most of us came here in the first place.
Back in the day the fixes were more involved and questions were needed. While iMore has a lot of traffic these days, I don't know that they have a lot of forum activity. The help folks need is more general.11-05-19 09:14 PMLike 2 - BlackBerry has a group that they have outsourced most of the smartphone IP too.... they are trying to get what they can from BlackBerry's collection of patents. Either by licensing or going after any patents that appear to be being violated.
Not sure what else you could expect from them at this point....
But the NAME probable isn't up for useage and bottom line I'm not sure anyone needs a PKB patent...
Any idea how much the TCL/BB license agreement was for?11-06-19 12:45 AMLike 0 -
I believe there are a few other 2019 models that have the same design.11-06-19 09:09 AMLike 0 - Nobody has yet mentioned the blue dot notifier which stops BB users looking like every other idiot, constantly checking for messages. It is elegant beyond belief and I will die without it.
Next up is Hub which, combined with search makes a BB user with a big, multi-faceted life infinitely more efficient than someone using any of the competition.
Then the possibility to choose how emails are displayed, including to have sent emails displayed separately.
And then of course the PKB.....as well as DTEK, battery life, rubber back.
I simply cannot believe that KEy2 and Key2LE are going to disappear. There is simply nothing else in the market place that does half of the jobs half as well as BB.11-06-19 09:18 AMLike 0 -
There are the Samsung S8/S9/S10 series but you're gonna have to download Light Flow Legacy to customize it because the stock implementation is terrible11-06-19 10:24 AMLike 0 - Google, who speced a notification light on the original Nexus phone and led the way in that regard, deprecated the notification light and its functionality from Android over a year ago, because of low demand (user surveys showed notification lights to be of little importance to most users) and due to alternatives that are more comprehensive and more popular, from partial "always on" OLED screens to smart watches. Since the code was removed from AOSP (stock Android), manufacturers dropped the lights themselves. I wouldn't expect many manufacturers to spend the money to restore that functionality when they could spend it on a more valued feature.11-06-19 02:50 PMLike 0
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