What I don't understand with developers
- Why some developers refuse to make native apps. Ones like Viber and thescore your giving the app for free already and more people will download it if you put time and effort into it, and a lot of ppl will tell you they will be even willing to pay so why refuse? Not enough users? I can tell you right now you'll have even less if it's a port!
Posted via CB1008-21-14 10:37 AMLike 0 - Apps like that have HUGE adoption rates in big appstores on Google and iOS
Blackberry doesn't even have 1 percent of the market. Why would a company like The Score invest money to gain another 1 percent on top of their existing user base when they can just port the android app?
Although I agree with you (I doubt it costs that much to do native and its good PR) this is the perspective I imagine these big companies have on it.
Posted via CB1008-21-14 10:40 AMLike 0 - give me a usable app and I will buy it and use it. Skype , viber all of this is just crap compared to native bbm voice and video calling. the probelm is that these companies don't care to provide us users a great experience they are giving us half balked sluggish one... and nope I will not use your service if you give me sluggish ported app08-21-14 10:48 AMLike 0
- Why some developers refuse to make native apps. Ones like Viber and thescore your giving the app for free already and more people will download it if you put time and effort into it, and a lot of ppl will tell you they will be even willing to pay so why refuse? Not enough users? I can tell you right now you'll have even less if it's a port!
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Swordsmanship & Western Martial Arts Channel C000C9AF6Shadowyugi likes this.08-21-14 10:54 AMLike 1 - Is it? I can say that there are apps and functions I consider critical to my daily routine / job, like ssh and remote desktop / server apps that simply do not exist on bb10 without the android runtime. If I didn't have the Android runtime I would consider bb10 unusable for my job as a sysadmin.08-21-14 10:58 AMLike 8
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P.S. Where do you train WMA?
Loved the Q10 but now it's Z30 power time!!!08-21-14 11:10 AMLike 0 - Maybe you haven't used much. I use Viber and Skype everyday for work. I have zero problems. Yes it a bit slow but works flawless. Its so much better to have it rather than not having it.
08-21-14 11:10 AMLike 0 - Saying that you will be glad to pay for apps doesn't mean much to developers because the $1 to $5 for apps only really works for huge volumes of users. Most of you probably don't remember the Palm OS days when one could easily pay $30 to $40 for an app because smartphone users were so few and far between and there was no other way for developers to monetize their apps and there was little to no competition for most apps.
If you can reach 90% of your market with iOS and Android then all of your resources need to be targeted at those platforms. If you have extra resources then you can consider Windows Phone. If you still have more resources beyond than then you should lay them to save money or, better yet, put them to use on additional moon-shot iOS and Android projects.
As a developer, there's really no reason to invest in either of the Blackberry platforms at this time. Motivated users can just use your Android version if it happens to work. But what if the Classic and Passport take off? Well, I guess you can take a look at it then. Attaining 3% of the market over the next year would be a pretty huge success for Blackberry but it wouldn't show up on your radar as a developer.08-21-14 11:19 AMLike 4 - Saying that you will be glad to pay for apps doesn't mean much to developers because the $1 to $5 for apps only really works for huge volumes of users. Most of you probably don't remember the Palm OS days when one could easily pay $30 to $40 for an app because smartphone users were so few and far between and there was no other way for developers to monetize their apps and there was little to no competition for most apps.
If you can reach 90% of your market with iOS and Android then all of your resources need to be targeted at those platforms. If you have extra resources then you can consider Windows Phone. If you still have more resources beyond than then you should lay them to save money or, better yet, put them to use on additional moon-shot iOS and Android projects.
As a developer, there's really no reason to invest in either of the Blackberry platforms at this time. Motivated users can just use your Android version if it happens to work. But what if the Classic and Passport take off? Well, I guess you can take a look at it then. Attaining 3% of the market over the next year would be a pretty huge success for Blackberry but it wouldn't show up on your radar as a developer.
Do you have any ideas on what you think would help, or what would have helped, the BB10 development situation?
Z-30/STA 100-5/10.3.0.700+.296/T-Mobile USA08-21-14 11:34 AMLike 0 - This topic has been beaten to death already. The moral of the story is that the developers either don't make enough or any money off BB10. They don't even make much off Windows Phone, which is 5 times the size of BB10 and has Microsoft poring money into it.
The BB10 app gap will likely never be resolved. I think a better strategy for Blackberry and especially Microsoft at this point is to hire a dedicated team of talented developers and publish a steady stream unique, exclusive apps for their own platforms.
A lot of good stuff came out of Nokia Beta Labs. Unfortunately, Symbian OS lacked the hardware processing power nor the software prowess to stand out.Last edited by sentimentGX4; 08-21-14 at 11:56 AM.
haringfish and Shadowyugi like this.08-21-14 11:45 AMLike 2 - Why some developers refuse to make native apps. Ones like Viber and thescore your giving the app for free already and more people will download it if you put time and effort into it, and a lot of ppl will tell you they will be even willing to pay so why refuse? Not enough users? I can tell you right now you'll have even less if it's a port!
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- developing and supporting apps costs real time and money (costs + opportunity costs)
- with iOS and Android combined you have 97% of the global market covered
Nuff said.08-21-14 11:48 AMLike 7 - The return on investment is not justifiable, for bb10. It's unfortunate that android must be relied upon, but I am grateful. I can't believe there isn't a viber app for the q10. Thankfully it can be sideloaded. Whether this changes in the future depends on the perceived roi and the perception of stability in the market blackberry resides in.
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There are Android apps that work very well on BB10 that aren't in BB World because the developers don't want to be stuck dealing with issues that arise in the next BB10 update. They have their hands full keeping the apps working on actual Android phones.08-21-14 02:13 PMLike 2 - Why some developers refuse to make native apps. Ones like Viber and thescore your giving the app for free already and more people will download it if you put time and effort into it, and a lot of ppl will tell you they will be even willing to pay so why refuse? Not enough users? I can tell you right now you'll have even less if it's a port!
Posted via CB10MobileMadness002 likes this.08-21-14 02:39 PMLike 1 - Perhaps you do not realize that making an app is not like making a website, the cost is several folds more...for instance, Angry bird cost them over $500,000 to make and they have made millions upon millions just from IOS users. Why should they waste that money to please 0.5% of smartphone users?
Z10STL100-3/10.2.1.324708-21-14 02:42 PMLike 0 - As a business person, I can understand about a return on your investment. Allot of money and time goes into developing a application for any platform and most of that comes out of the developers pocket up front.
You have to put yourself into the developers shoes. Would you use you own hard earned money and valuable time to create an app for a platform that only has less then 3% of the market?
Or would you put those resources into an app platform that has 30-50 % of the market where you might stand a chance to see a return on your investment??
Well, any well seasoned business person with common sense shouldn't take to long to figure that one out!! Just my two cents.08-21-14 03:54 PMLike 0 - I work for a company that sometimes makes apps for some local businesses.
99% of our apps are for both Google Play and App Store
About 10% of the apps go to the windows store.
Only 1 app ended in BBW and that was a HTML5 app.
And honestly if you can reach 99% of the smartphone market, most don't care about the 1% of BB10 phones. Also, we charge per OS so most local businesses don't really care for WP8 and BB10 (and who can blame them).08-21-14 04:20 PMLike 0 - I can only speak from experience since I am a mobile developer and I have done native BB10 apps for clients. It all comes down to user base. The reality is that majority of the users are on the iOS and Android platforms so companies want to cater to those consumers first. It's not that companies cant make native apps for BB10, but when they look at the numbers of what is being used, it becomes a business decision on whether or not a company wants to spend time (remember, time = money) on building a native app to cater to such a small fraction of the market. Some go for the Android port because of how little effort it takes to port over an app. It saves time and money. Quite honestly I'd rather have an Android port than no app at all08-21-14 04:30 PMLike 3
- Apps like that have HUGE adoption rates in big appstores on Google and iOS
Blackberry doesn't even have 1 percent of the market. Why would a company like The Score invest money to gain another 1 percent on top of their existing user base when they can just port the android app?
Although I agree with you (I doubt it costs that much to do native and its good PR) this is the perspective I imagine these big companies have on it.
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Posted via CB10HabsFan9860 likes this.08-24-14 09:32 AMLike 1 - Which comes first the chicken or the egg? That is what must be asked. These "Developers" should also understand that if they wish to build a clientele they need to stop playing curry favour, they should develop for ALL platforms, if John Public knows that the app issue isn't an issue on any platform they will have greater choice in deciding which device truly is for them. The exclusivity bias for Android and or IOS is getting old. Time for the "Developers " to change their tune.
I develop niche professional apps so I do get emails about platforms that I don't support. I can't justify the time and effort it takes to support every platform. Anyone who really wants to use them that badly can simply buy an iPod touch for $200 so I don't lose any sleep over it.
So how are you planning on getting me to change my tune?08-24-14 10:51 AMLike 2 - Well, as a developer, who says I have to ask which came first? I don't really care. All I care about is getting lots of users. I'll take 90% of the market and save 50% of the work. That 50% is put to much better use developing more features and more apps for the 90%.
I develop niche professional apps so I do get emails about platforms that I don't support. I can't justify the time and effort it takes to support every platform. Anyone who really wants to use them that badly can simply buy an iPod touch for $200 so I don't lose any sleep over it.
So how are you planning on getting me to change my tune?
Posted via CB10HabsFan9860 likes this.08-24-14 11:05 AMLike 1 - I don't understand why a developer has to waste time and effort in building natively for BlackBerry when he can just upload his Android app.
It's not like he's going to get tons of users anyway, lol. What seems really weird to me is that some people actually believe that the developers are wrong xD
Posted via CB10mornhavon likes this.08-24-14 11:16 AMLike 1 -
Your regular users don't care what other platforms you support - they just want the best experience on their iPhone ASAP and your job as a developer is to give it to them. I'll leave support for BB10 to Blackberry developers who will do a better job at it.08-24-14 11:21 AMLike 2 - These "Developers" should also understand that if they wish to build a clientele they need to stop playing curry favour, they should develop for ALL platforms, if John Public knows that the app issue isn't an issue on any platform they will have greater choice in deciding which device truly is for them. The exclusivity bias for Android and or IOS is getting old. Time for the "Developers " to change their tune.
I don't know what you do for a living, but how happy would be if your boss came to you on Monday and said "We've decided that you're going to help make the world a better place, and so we're going to have you work 50% more hours each week, but we're also cutting your weekly pay by 30%. That way, folks in the world will have better access to your labors. Isn't that great?"
That's exactly what you're asking developers to do: work more hours for less money so that consumers can have greater choice in devices. That's not gonna happen, at least, not in any significant numbers.08-24-14 11:40 AMLike 5
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