I went thru similar thoughts etc, but it is time to move on...my cell plan has expired and it looks like a Google Pixel variant will be my new "Blackberry" ...sad days but nothing we can do unfortunately....
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I went thru similar thoughts etc, but it is time to move on...my cell plan has expired and it looks like a Google Pixel variant will be my new "Blackberry" ...sad days but nothing we can do unfortunately....
Yep, we are indeed dinosaurs.
You never know, someone else a couple of years down the line may think it's a great idea to try a PKB device.
Another icon reborn.
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Waiting...
Pixel series is a decent phone as long as you can get them on sale. They don't have the hardware specs like Samsung but run well on vanilla Android. I bought Pixel for the guaranteed monthly security updates for at least 3 years from launch. Not disappointed so far.
People can post to their rumors and ideas for everyone he to read. Neither BlackBerry cares what people post on a forum. Eventually people will be tired of posting and BlackBerry phones will eventually fade from the active market scene. By then the press won't care and TCL will have moved on promoting their own Brand. BlackBerry Limited will continue as an enterprise software company.
Because we don't have the same skin in the game as TCL. We're only trying to explain THEIR motivation for not wanting to make big negative announcements.
Honestly, anti-virus on a smartphone is useless without root access.
I just hope that a version of the truth will come out one day . What events or actions really created the alleged bad blood between the two companies?
My gut feeling is that BlackBerry Ltd was not a good partner but I have zero facts.
We can pretty much figure it out. Essentially, there was no money to share, so everyone scrambles and starts analysing the fine print.
Posting a couple of times is one thing but posting and posting and posting...makes a thoughtful person wonder what other reasons there might be for that and what is going on...
Well, we pretty much know what's going on, don't we?
The same answers come up repeatedly for the same questions. It's not much more complicated than that.
It's either that, or it's a massive coordinated effort to slow down the sale of TCL's last few thousand devices.
Occam's razor.
Time to start another thread, this one is becoming redundant.
Strikes me more as having gone ultra the retro, copying behavior of an old vinyl record with a big ole scratch in it.
Chen seemed to have gone out of his way to antagonize TCL :
April 2018 - Somebody should make a new BlackBerry like phone says John Chen.
March 2019- I wouldn’t let anyone outside of lab testing at my company buy a foldable. - John Chen
August 2019- John Chen announces that there will be at least two years of support for BlackBerry 10 devices.
Agreed, I don't care if they get bad press. You act like we care if they get bad coverage. We don't. People keep asking why BlackBerry Mobile or Limited do not make any announcements. We are just giving our thoughts. I base mine on 30 years in the business side of the Tech Industry. Basic rule, avoid all negative publicity. Bury your failed projects and let them quietly fade away.
The truth is the press will ignore BlackBerry Mobile unless TCL makes some announcement. The Mobile press is not going to give BB Mobile or BlackBerry Limited any mobile phone coverage unless TCL or BB Limited stirs the pot.
Different people have posted the same question in different ways in multiple threads and in some cases in the same thread. You could ask why they don't search the forum before posting.
Pertaining to the 1st and 3rd items:
I know he said, back in Aug 2019, that backend services will continue to function past Dec 31st (although the OS EOL date of Dec 31st remains the same). This was kind of a "no kidding, d'uh non-statement".
He also said in April 2018 that someone should make a simple dumbphone+ "focused on secure email, secure texts and a basic browser", but I don't see a connection with TCL. I think he was perhaps plugging the upcoming Punkt.
Are those the two things you're referring to?
The August 2019 announcement probably had some effect in dampening demand for TCL’s BlackBerry devices. There was even the renewed false hope for a new BB10 device. “There are still millions using our BB10 and BBOS devices”. Take that TCL!!!
I found the Vox interview puzzling. He was not talking about the Punkt which is a dumb phone. What he really seems to have wanted TCL to do is to build a nostalgia device.
Just my opinion- why undercut your partner.
This is a transcript - published by Vox
Last two areas I want to get to before we finish. One is making BlackBerrys. This retro idea, what could you do? Would you ever get ... Why not do that?
I think actually ...
Because you have a secure phone, this is great.
Actually, I think I should find a hardware partner to do this.
Has anyone expressed interest?
I haven’t explored it yet.
Haven’t explored it. What would it look like? What would the BlackBerry phone look like?
Huh?
Would it look like the old one? Like make it real clunky.
I would love ... Yes.
Real clunky.
I think I’m going to ... Remember the 9900?
Yes.
The boat?
I remember, yeah.
It fits right in your palm?
Yeah.
You could just two thumb ...
Yeah. Yep.
Okay.
The little memo, the little ... It was like a pager, almost. It was a pager, right?
It was a pager first, right, it was.
But with messaging.
Messaging, yeah. I think somebody should make that.
A big one, like a ...
I really do.
Maybe Nokia.
People will buy ... Here’s the thing, the reason why people will buy it, I think this whole BYOD, bring your own device, in some ways, all the businesses embrace it because they think this is cost ... They are cost advantaged and then they have choices to their employees, which are all great reasons behind it. The ability to manage it in a very secure world ...
Is difficult.
It’s difficult and almost nightmarish. I think they would love to say, “Hey, for certain people, use this phone. It’s secure, I have audit trail on all your texts or your web browsing or your email. I could recover, I could wipe it, I could do whatever I wanted to do with it, but it’s going to be a work thing.”
Right.
I think there are a lot of professional would say, “Okay, if I know that my stuff aren’t going to get leaked, I’ll take that.” I believe regulated industry like doctors and lawyers and people that make deals, for example, for investment bankers and government employees, I think they will love that. You don’t make it too fancy, but you don’t make it too expensive, either. I’m making this up as I go.
Yeah. No fancy lines and gorilla glass for you, right?
Exactly. Let’s say $199 a phone, $150 a phone, you can make a very nice phone if you have very limited functionality but is highly secure, and CIO would love to use it because they could really manage these things.
Was Alicia Keys singing "it's so hard to say goodbye" for Kobe or for BlackBerry?
Just like all these conspiracy theories have my head in a spin, were the moon landings real was 9/11 a inside job ,is Elvis Presley still alive.........
I'm going back on the Guinness ;-)
What demand though? By this point, TCL already had been winding things down.
That's the thing.... August 2019 it was already over.
But the bottom line is Chen has never been a "phone" guy, so it really doesn't matter what he says in some passing comments. I'm sure he wishes BlackBerry was the company it once was and had a way to be that again... but those days are gone.
As for $150 or $200 secure phones? Security isn't cheap, and I don't know why some here don't get that... Or the fact that Android and iOS have come a long way. BlackBerry treatment of Android was only as good as Samsung's KNOX..
My point to Conite was that the animosity seems real. Not just dry accounting issues and legal considerations. Chen likes to stir the pot. Never his fault.
I think you're reading too much into the musings of a rambler.