What is happening regarding BlackBerry Mobile phones?
- Yes, NDAs of course but leaks have always happened when anything is happening. I'm surprised we haven't at least heard rumors from BlackBerry itself/Chen that the hardware division is totally dead.
Which begs me to ask, when is the TCL licensing deal "over"?
If they are indeed trying to run through their final Red stock, etc - I would imagine there will be more public information about the hope of a new licensing agreement?
... but every color of the KEY2, LE and even KEYone.
If they really wanted to liquidate stock, they should calm down with the prices on the BB EU store.
The Red KEY2 is 780€ ...01-14-20 02:48 PMLike 0 - And is that considered as a fair price? Maybe out of curiosity, I would consider a Key2 Red...but at that price? Yes, I'll second your comment and also add that on Ebay, prices for this version are insane. I am sorry to say this, but it's not worth it.01-14-20 02:57 PMLike 0
- Fair is only what they feel they will eventually get for them. If they were worried, you'd see steep permanent discounts.01-14-20 03:03 PMLike 0
- Yes, NDAs of course but leaks have always happened when anything is happening. I'm surprised we haven't at least heard rumors from BlackBerry itself/Chen that the hardware division is totally dead.
Which begs me to ask, when is the TCL licensing deal "over"?
If they are indeed trying to run through their final Red stock, etc - I would imagine there will be more public information about the hope of a new licensing agreement?
BlackBerry wouldn't say anything because they are probably bound by contract not to adversely affect its licencees.antonrr likes this.01-14-20 03:03 PMLike 1 -
It really depends what's your budget and how bad you want the best BlackBerry device.
If you're in Europe, you could also order a Black one for less money and theoretically could receive a 2019 built unit with the same improvements as the Red one.Rico4you likes this.01-14-20 04:01 PMLike 1 -
I stand by the idea that some Android maker can make a "BlackBerry Version" of an existing Android device that simply has a PKB and Hub installed. It would suffice most of us (besides the BB10 freaks/fan boys) and the "X" Company wouldn't have to invest into the branding of the "BlackBerry product line". I'm just willing to take whatever we can get at this point and it feels Chen/TCL aren't doing anything. There are always leaks and there simply doesn't seem to be anything whatsoever happening to push the " brand" forward...the_boon likes this.01-15-20 10:27 AMLike 1 - But doesn't that then beg the question of what the agreement states in relation to TCL not releasing any new devices for over a year? Of course they technically did with the RED device but anyone knows that's nonsense. There has got to be a clause in the agreement if TCL fails to continue promoting new devices....
I stand by the idea that some Android maker can make a "BlackBerry Version" of an existing Android device that simply has a PKB and Hub installed. It would suffice most of us (besides the BB10 freaks/fan boys) and the "X" Company wouldn't have to invest into the branding of the "BlackBerry product line". I'm just willing to take whatever we can get at this point and it feels Chen/TCL aren't doing anything. There are always leaks and there simply doesn't seem to be anything whatsoever happening to push the " brand" forward...01-15-20 10:46 AMLike 0 -
I stand by the idea that some Android maker can make a "BlackBerry Version" of an existing Android device that simply has a PKB and Hub installed. It would suffice most of us (besides the BB10 freaks/fan boys) and the "X" Company wouldn't have to invest into the branding of the "BlackBerry product line". I'm just willing to take whatever we can get at this point and it feels Chen/TCL aren't doing anything. There are always leaks and there simply doesn't seem to be anything whatsoever happening to push the " brand" forward...01-15-20 10:48 AMLike 5 - Yes, understandable.
I'm talking about making one phone that would sell for $899+ to the BlackBerry die-hard and investing zero in marketing. This would be purely a spin-off of an existing Android device with a keyboard. It would be very hard to lose money, or make a massive profit either. But the investment would be minimal. TCL tried to do too much with too little IMHO.
There are many "niche" Android devices (like the Titan) that are not designed to sell millions of units.
It's possible. I never said likely, but it's our best hope at this point!the_boon likes this.01-15-20 10:51 AMLike 1 - Yes, understandable.
I'm talking about making one phone that would sell for $899+ to the BlackBerry die-hard and investing zero in marketing. This would be purely a spin-off of an existing Android device with a keyboard. It would be very hard to lose money, or make a massive profit either. But the investment would be minimal. TCL tried to do too much with too little IMHO.
There are many "niche" Android devices (like the Titan) that are not designed to sell millions of units.
It's possible. I never said likely, but it's our best hope at this point!
I suspect the fee to get BlackBerry to update the OS would be more than "minimal"... unless your wanting them to stick to Oreo or go with their own Android. But then, would die-hard BlackBerry users buy a defanged TCL BlackBerry clone?
And I don't think TCL did too much... I think there just wasn't a big enough market for the product they were selling.01-15-20 11:13 AMLike 0 - Yes, understandable.
I'm talking about making one phone that would sell for $899+ to the BlackBerry die-hard and investing zero in marketing. This would be purely a spin-off of an existing Android device with a keyboard. It would be very hard to lose money, or make a massive profit either. But the investment would be minimal. TCL tried to do too much with too little IMHO.
There are many "niche" Android devices (like the Titan) that are not designed to sell millions of units.
It's possible. I never said likely, but it's our best hope at this point!phuoc and ppeters914 like this.01-15-20 11:24 AMLike 2 - Yes, understandable.
I'm talking about making one phone that would sell for $899+ to the BlackBerry die-hard and investing zero in marketing. This would be purely a spin-off of an existing Android device with a keyboard. It would be very hard to lose money, or make a massive profit either. But the investment would be minimal. TCL tried to do too much with too little IMHO.
There are many "niche" Android devices (like the Titan) that are not designed to sell millions of units.
It's possible. I never said likely, but it's our best hope at this point!
There is some hope when you look at the ChiFi market. There is an explosion now of niche HiFi products that I’m starting to get into myself. Small runs, very specialized. So maybe the Titan will start such a trend in phones.01-15-20 11:29 AMLike 0 - I have heard BlackBerry Mobile is already not paying BlackBerry Limited what they owe. I am sure if BlackBerry Limited had another viable company wanting to make and sell BlackBerry phones they would jump at the chance. TCL would probably be happy to end the deal early if they could find a way to sell their remaining BlackBerry inventory.eshropshire and PantherBlitz like this.01-15-20 11:32 AMLike 2
- I think if the Titan sells well, we will see more of them. So let see how that goes.
There is some hope when you look at the ChiFi market. There is an explosion now of niche HiFi products that I’m starting to get into myself. Small runs, very specialized. So maybe the Titan will start such a trend in phones.
Phones require software development to keep up with hardware and software changes that happen every year. And most owners are going to expect long term support - patches and updates. I just don't think that all scales down...
Will be interesting to see how they do...Laura Knotek and Troy Tiscareno like this.01-15-20 11:52 AMLike 2 - RCA still licenses their trademark for TVs because the brand still has global familiarity.
I simply refuse to accept BlackBerry is "done" when their problems are overwhelmingly rooted with years of incompetent management at all levels. Only MySpace is a more embarrasing story for enormous market-share to nothing.
So I'll use my KEY2 for the rest of 2020 and hope for the best!the_boon likes this.01-16-20 11:51 AMLike 1 - RCA still licenses their trademark for TVs because the brand still has global familiarity.
I simply refuse to accept BlackBerry is "done" when their problems are overwhelmingly rooted with years of incompetent management at all levels. Only MySpace is a more embarrasing story for enormous market-share to nothing.
So I'll use my KEY2 for the rest of 2020 and hope for the best!
It's really about losing to companies that have more money than god. The battle was over by 2009 at the latest. Everything that happened since was only rearranging the deck chairs on the TItanic.01-16-20 03:52 PMLike 0 -
... but then again of course, they continue to use their01-16-20 03:56 PMLike 0 -
After six years on the BlackBerry VKB, I am much, much faster than I ever was on the PKB, even without flick to type, which is a huge accelerator.
From the screen of my trusty Z10 using the exceptional BlackBerry VKB.eshropshire likes this.01-16-20 06:54 PMLike 1 - While everyone is debating VKB and PKB speed, accuracy or just preference, I’m exploring if enabling dictation is speaking commands is better. Florida just banned texting and driving 15 years after everyone did elsewhere.
Can’t we just dictate to Siri like 2020 version of the 1950s secretary?01-16-20 07:12 PMLike 0 - While everyone is debating VKB and PKB speed, accuracy or just preference, I’m exploring if enabling dictation is speaking commands is better. Florida just banned texting and driving 15 years after everyone did elsewhere.
Can’t we just dictate to Siri like 2020 version of the 1950s secretary?
Z10 = BB10 + VKB > iOS + Androidsaint300 likes this.01-16-20 07:20 PMLike 1 - While everyone is debating VKB and PKB speed, accuracy or just preference, I’m exploring if enabling dictation is speaking commands is better. Florida just banned texting and driving 15 years after everyone did elsewhere.
Can’t we just dictate to Siri like 2020 version of the 1950s secretary?01-16-20 07:41 PMLike 0 - 01-16-20 08:19 PMLike 3
- I can't agree that typing on a slab is slower than on a PKB. I was a bona fide BlackBerry PKB power user for a decade, sending hundreds of long, detailed emails a day to my team of several hundred people and thousands of customers. It took me less than a day to become comfortable on the BlackBerry VKB (I spent six months trying to use the Apple one and hated it.).
After six years on the BlackBerry VKB, I am much, much faster than I ever was on the PKB, even without flick to type, which is a huge accelerator.
From the screen of my trusty Z10 using the exceptional BlackBerry VKB.chain13 likes this.01-17-20 11:17 AMLike 1
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