User data collection by Blackberry
- Is the user data collected by Blackberry any different from that of Google(Android)?
I'm talking about location, keystrokes, web browsing, history, BBM, assistant, 'diagnostics'(i've turned it off).. and so on
A lot of times i notice my Blackberry Q10 eating away my internet bandwidth even when no apps are open(have to put down the wifi to get the bandwidth back). I see huge data getting uploaded by System, and it eats alot of battery sitting idle, just like BBM.
Really starting to question my choice.Batibreaker likes this.03-15-15 11:34 AMLike 1 - It is a bit different in that with Google you can opt out of most of the data collection while still using Google's services. With BlackBerry, you either let them collect the data, or you don't get to use the service at all. Another difference is that Google allows their users to not only view what data they are collecting about them, but will also let them download or erase that data. The process is actually very easy. BlackBerry on the hand, does not let you view, download, opt out or erase any of the data they have collected on you.
Anyone who has a BlackBerry ID, gave BlackBerry their expressed permission to collect data such as real-time location, contacts, calendar, bookmarks, and even the contents of your personal messages. And ALL of that stored data can be shared with third parties without giving the user notification. It is all contained in the terms of service agreements.
With Google, I've deleted the data they had on me and opted out of future data collection. They still collect things I'm sure (required by law type stuff), but it has to be bettet than being an open book. I wish that it were possible to delete all of the data BlackBerry has on me, but sadly it isn't.03-15-15 11:57 AMLike 6 - By using BlackBerry ID, you have gave BlackBerry your expressed permission to collect data such as real-time location, contacts, calendar, bookmarks, and even the contents of your personal messages. And ALL of that stored data can be shared with third parties without your notification or permission. It is all contained in the terms and services agreement.
It's really concerning as my phone keeps my internet bandwidth busy most of the time whenever i'm home. God alone knows what the hell it keeps downloading/uploading all the time.Batibreaker likes this.03-15-15 12:08 PMLike 1 - Well, is the BlackBerry Software logging tool enabled?
It's at the bottom of Security settings
Or diagnostics might be turned on03-15-15 12:15 PMLike 0 - I am not sure if this could help. Go into setting and click on security and privacy and turn off Diagnostic setting. Also go into location services and turn off traffic data collection.
Posted via CB10Batibreaker likes this.03-15-15 12:16 PMLike 1 - While Google may give you options to opt-out, you cannot say you get full access and use to all its products while also not giving data. Fact is, they are still collecting most of it, or certain functions won't work. You also need to consider things like the fact that if you are using the chrome browser you give them full access to your camera and mic, you wanna bet they can't tap into it whenever they feel like?
The other question you must ask yourself is which company do you trust more?
I trust BlackBerry to be more responsible with my data, some of it may be sold, I can accept that, if you cannot, then it's time to give up technology. But Google I do not trust, they are a marketing machine, they are collecting and analyzing your data beyond your wildest dreams, and selling your entire existence in a neat little "anonymous" package. Google has the ability to see across far more areas of your digital life, and the resources to dig far deeper, and they do.
BB for Life03-15-15 01:32 PMLike 8 - Interesting how the "security" experts who constantly brow beat Google and other companies for doing these things but have no comment on Blackberry doing the same thing. Where are all of the people to defend this and say it isn't true?03-15-15 09:20 PMLike 5
- Google is an ad company first and foremost. Your data is used to sell more stuff be it adds or services. Apple is rumored to be in bed with the US and their spy syndicate and who knows why they want your data (I know, tin foil hat stuff). BlackBerry might be collecting, but I'll need to see what it's used for to make a decision. We do no its not for advertising, since they don't know what that is. We know it's not to collect for the feds or it would be a more popular platform.
At the end of the day, I do trust BlackBerry more than the others, but transparency is the key to keeping BlackBerry out of the book written for the others. Tabloid or otherwise.
Posted using my powerful BlackBerry Z30 03-15-15 09:38 PMLike 7 - It sucks that Blackberry does not provide users the ability to remove the data that has been collected about them. It would be better if they did.
Note, however, Blackberry and Apple are fundamentally different in that they are not as dependent on ad revenue as Google is. This difference should be obvious to anyone who does not live in a cave.
Google's attitude to data collection (versus Apple's and Blackberry's) is exemplified in Android's app installation. Apple and Blackberry ask you which services you want the app to access. Google tells you that the app is going to access the services that it needs. Thus, Apple and Blackberry allow you to opt out at installation, whereas Android opts you in by default.03-15-15 09:51 PMLike 4 - Tre LawrenceBetween Realities
There isn't a publicly traded company I trust with my privacy or overall well-being more than myself.
I respect everyone's need to trust who/what they want, but I quit believing in the fable of corporate altruism a while ago.03-15-15 10:06 PMLike 4 -
Yes, the policy allows collection to support their services (i.e. blackberry protect) but I haven't seen reports on when they keep historical data and if you disable location settings on the device then even their protect can't get it
Personally, I believe the bigger threat is coming from 3rd party applications. You install a game and it leaks your data to their servers.clickitykeys and MarsupilamiX like this.03-15-15 10:38 PMLike 2 - Apple makes their money (and LOTS OF IT) selling me their hardware. Their backend services are terrible. But iMessage is end to end encrypted.
I'm comfortable with this arrangement.
Blackberry collects all the same data every other hardware manufacturer does,...and their financial situation is untenable. So one wonders.
Two things we can be certain about....
Google collects an astonishing amount of data. But they give you a great deal of control over it if you bother to try. And they know the vast majority of users won't bother.
Blackberry in 2015 is not the same company as Blackberry in 2006, and they're getting in bed with Samsung of all entities. You know that they're the junior partner in that relationship.
I just don't know.
Posted via the CrackBerry App for AndroidJeepBB likes this.03-15-15 10:53 PMLike 1 -
Just taking a look inside the Blackberry app store is enough to dissuade any security conscious person from buying. Just look at all that crap! Any store that depends on cut-rate, third-world "developers" to steal API's and other intellectual property from the real players is to be avoided. Blackberry obviously makes no effort to police the situation. Who's to say they wouldn't look the other way even if they new that ridiculous "app for" you just dl'ed isn't a poor substitute for Instagram, but a really awesome keylogger!?
Yeah. No thanks.
Posted via the CrackBerry App for AndroidBatibreaker likes this.03-15-15 11:00 PMLike 1 - This! This right here!
Just taking a look inside the Blackberry app store is enough to dissuade any security conscious person from buying. Just look at all that crap! Any store that depends on cut-rate, third-world "developers" to steal API's and other intellectual property from the real players is to be avoided. Blackberry obviously makes no effort to police the situation. Who's to say they wouldn't look the other way even if they new that ridiculous "app for" you just dl'ed isn't a poor substitute for Instagram, but a really awesome keylogger!?
Yeah. No thanks.
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Posted via CB1003-16-15 01:48 AMLike 0 - Apple makes their money (and LOTS OF IT) selling me their hardware. Their backend services are terrible. But iMessage is end to end encrypted.
I'm comfortable with this arrangement.
Blackberry collects all the same data every other hardware manufacturer does,...and their financial situation is untenable. So one wonders.
Two things we can be certain about....
Google collects an astonishing amount of data. But they give you a great deal of control over it if you bother to try. And they know the vast majority of users won't bother.
Blackberry in 2015 is not the same company as Blackberry in 2006, and they're getting in bed with Samsung of all entities. You know that they're the junior partner in that relationship.
I just don't know.
Posted via the CrackBerry App for Android03-16-15 02:00 AMLike 0 -
Google has virtually permanent data retention and backups to backup their backed up backups.
As for opting out and such, just because the end-user doesn't see it, doesn't mean it's not there. Your data is still being collected and managed in one way or another.
But as others have stated, the real difference is in how that collected data is being used.03-16-15 04:47 AMLike 3 -
In my opinion RIM has no option to get under the cloud of collecting customer data. If such a suspicion would indeed harden it would be the definitive end of the company.03-16-15 05:41 AMLike 0 -
bℯ��ℯř ฬ�ђ bℓ�ckbℯřřɣ03-18-15 02:55 AMLike 3 - Can you give examples.of blackberry "spying" collecting data? I'm not asking this to be condescending. BlackBerry has asked nothing from my device. ALL OF THE APPS I use I have full.control on permission settings and BlackBerry is the only platform that has allowed me to do this. Private browsing is really private browsing...no history, cookies anything lives on my phone after I close it. I never get pop up ads on my phone...again this is the only platform I have used where 80% of marketing does not touch my phone. BBM has a timer and is better than snap chat...when I'm chatting with someone on BBM...I never see an ad, unless I go into.the "feeds" section...but even there the Ads ARE NOT targeted to me, my shopping habits or my specific device. NO app I have gets my contacts...because I DID NOT give permissions....and yet my apps all work. BlackBerry does not scan my emails and send me targeted ads...
I don't want to confuse you. But most of this security talk is just still based on confidence. And RIM has this convidence, still, it's their capital.03-18-15 03:46 AMLike 0 - Friend, you ignore the server side completely. What do you know about what RIM servers do in background and what your device sends to them in background? Did you realize that RIM asks for your email account's password before (!) the account is configured on your device? Did you realize that every BBM chat goes over RIM's servers? A BB device has nothing built in, at least nothing more than every other phone has. A BB device is just in the lucky situation not to be a device for the masses. Sure you have to install 3rd party software for encryption and security. And is Link on your Windows PC or Apple secure? Are you sure? What does Link with your contacts and your calender data? And what do other software parts on this computer with Link's data?
I don't want to confuse you. But most of this security talk is just still based on confidence. And RIM has this convidence, still, it's their capital.
http://bizblog.blackberry.com/2014/0...s-of-security/
http://m.crackberry.com/blackberry-s...gins-endpoints
Is this what you guys do at night...come on to a Blackberry site to tell people that your Apple s and Droids are so great? the links above prove you wrong on all counts...yet again. But I'll tell you what, I'm just going to keep enjoying my BlackBerry...while your downloading the latest ghost hunting app and giving away all your contacts info...
bℯ��ℯř ฬ�ђ bℓ�ckbℯřřɣ03-18-15 04:58 AMLike 6 - Is the user data collected by Blackberry any different from that of Google(Android)?
I'm talking about location, keystrokes, web browsing, history, BBM, assistant, 'diagnostics'(i've turned it off).. and so on
A lot of times i notice my Blackberry Q10 eating away my internet bandwidth even when no apps are open(have to put down the wifi to get the bandwidth back). I see huge data getting uploaded by System, and it eats alot of battery sitting idle, just like BBM.
Really starting to question my choice.
bℯ��ℯř ฬ�ђ bℓ�ckbℯřřɣ03-18-15 05:23 AMLike 3 - Friend, you ignore the server side completely. What do you know about what RIM servers do in background and what your device sends to them in background? Did you realize that RIM asks for your email account's password before (!) the account is configured on your device? Did you realize that every BBM chat goes over RIM's servers? A BB device has nothing built in, at least nothing more than every other phone has. A BB device is just in the lucky situation not to be a device for the masses. Sure you have to install 3rd party software for encryption and security. And is Link on your Windows PC or Apple secure? Are you sure? What does Link with your contacts and your calender data? And what do other software parts on this computer with Link's data?
I don't want to confuse you. But most of this security talk is just still based on confidence. And RIM has this convidence, still, it's their capital.
bℯ��ℯř ฬ�ђ bℓ�ckbℯřřɣTheAuthority likes this.03-18-15 05:29 AMLike 1 - Where did I talk about Android or Apple stuff? I never had something like that. I never defended them, why should I??? - The rest of your many words is a lot of hot air, as we say, tldr.03-18-15 05:38 AMLike 0
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