[BriGuy19872015]

I am a Lieutenant in the Navy and am rotating to a shore duty (land-based admin job that breaks up two tours on submarines, ships etc). I checked in today and was only given two options for a work phone: iPhone or Samsung. I asked if I could get an old BlackBerry Bold from stock and was told no. I don't know how pervasive this order is, but it's a significant contract to lose for sure.

I have heard of numerous other departments and agencies switching, but all of my data is anecdotal.

On the bright side I got a lot of positive reactions to my Passport!

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[RoseBud68]

Yes, Sure not surprised.

[BriGuy19872015]

Blaize any chance you could use your contacts to see what we're doing to keep government contracts and make inroads with BB10 devices? I've still not seen a single BB10 device be officially issued, though that doesn't mean that it hasn't happened.

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[Poncherelly]

I'm sure the high ranks are still on BlackBerry. They just don't want the low level staff to have the ability to protect data and walk away with it. Last thing they need is another Snowden. .

 Posted using my powerful BlackBerry Z30 

[beantownwindsorite]

I don't think so. More like this order was placed last year when BlackBerry was on the chopping block. I wouldn't have bought from them at that time.

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[Originalloverman]

Yea you have to remember that those major Corp made order sometimes year or two in advance and back then it isn't look to good esp if you believe the media hype, gi e it time, the only down side is they sent gonna jump back just like that they would want to get their monies worth from the phones so my guess your gonna have to use it for a while. BlackBerry products are cross platform now so I guess you could utilizes a few or even better get a personal use phone, I don't know if your being deployed or what not or able to use a personal phone .

Send from the amazing powers of the  Z30

[BriGuy19872015]

Does anyone have any data to support the fact that government contracts are continuing largely as normal? I would love to see that be the case, but I've not witnessed any BB10 adoption and the government is not going to run on Bolds forever.



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[DenverRalphy]

I'm sure the high ranks are still on BlackBerry. They just don't want the low level staff to have the ability to protect data and walk away with it. Last thing they need is another Snowden. .

In the military, security is not based on rank, but on job position/responsibilities. I can't count how many times as a low ranked enlisted man working Comm/Nav and Avionics on reconnaissance aircraft, that I told a high ranking officer to bugger off when he/she got a bit too nosey. Even the higher ranking military police who escorted me from data acquisition, to aircraft delivery, and subsequently witnessed me perform the data destruction, had no idea what I was carrying. Anybody who has ever held a security clearance is very familiar with the cliche term "A need to know", which is completely independent of, and always trumps, rank.

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[nt300]

BB10 is superior in productivity. I can never go back to anything else. Nothing beats BB10's Virtual keyboard, messaging platform, BBM on BB10, HUB, etc., and how intuitive this OS truly is.
Its by far the easiest to navigate and find stuff. Best in class Calendar, UNTOUCHABLE E-Mail etc.,

The issue with Government Agencies around to world is simply those that make tech decisions lack technical expertise. They continue to make wrong choices.

When somebody tells me they are productive on a iPhone for example, I LOL. Because they haven't used BB10.

BlackBerry Consumer perception has filtered into the Enterprise and Government. Hope John Chen takes note of this fact.

Sexy White Z30

[DenverRalphy]

BB10 is superior in productivity. I can never go back to anything else. Nothing beats BB10's Virtual keyboard, messaging platform, BBM on BB10, HUB, etc., and how intuitive this OS truly is.
Its by far the easiest to navigate and find stuff. Best in class Calendar, UNTOUCHABLE E-Mail etc.,

The issue with Government Agencies around to world is simply those that make tech decisions lack technical expertise. They continue to make wrong choices.

When somebody tells me they are productive on a iPhone for example, I LOL. Because they haven't used BB10.

BlackBerry Consumer perception has filtered into the Enterprise and Government. Hope John Chen takes note of this fact.

Sexy White Z30

You've really got to stop making general statements with no basis. BB10 Being the easiest to navigate is an opinion based argument that shouldn't be presented as factual. The entire Enterprise world that uses a product other than BB does not identify them as "lacking technical expertise". And people who are productive on iPhones are no less productive than you on BB10.

You've really got to let the concept go that only BB10 users are productive, or more productive than anybody else. Mainly because that premise is based on opinion and inherently flawed.

[lnichols]

BlackBerry Consumer perception has filtered into the Enterprise and Government.

Perception is based BlackBerry's horrible execution in both the consumer and business/government side.

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[TgeekB]

You've really got to stop making general statements with no basis. BB10 Being the easiest to navigate is an opinion based argument that shouldn't be presented as factual. The entire Enterprise world that uses a product other than BB does not identify them as "lacking technical expertise". And people who are productive on iPhones are no less productive than you on BB10.

You've really got to let the concept go that only BB10 users are productive, or more productive than anybody else. Mainly because that premise is based on opinion and inherently flawed.

It's all some people have. They cannot conceive of the concept that different people can have different needs and abilities. It's amazing really.

Be classically hip with the BlackBerry Classic

[Zirak]

It would be interesting to know what the DoD considers "secure" and at what level of security different devices are available. My thoughts are that all (devices) would be available at the bottom of the ladder and with each stair climbed and/ or the need for security tightened, some devices would drop off the availability list. Using that criteria, if no BB is available, it's not likely available to the higher ups either.
@Denver at least #300 added some content. He may not be correct, he may be stuck on repeat, but at least he added some value. His point about those in IT is not off the mark in a lot of companies. I have seen it personally, the boss loves everything white, everyone else had a hard time going against the flow. As a contractor it was humorous to watch, I smirked that all the monitors had to be big white ones at 3 times the price of anything else.
A quote that a good friend of mine told me when I went into business for myself, "don't fall in love with a piece of steel" At the end of it all, it's just a tool.

You've really got to stop making general statements with no basis.

Sent while driving from my Crackberry.

[RyanGermann]

And people who are productive on iPhones are no less productive than you on BB10.

Hey! I thought we WEREN'T making broad general statements that are just opinion and have no basis in fact!

[BlueOyster]

This is disheartening. I wonder why the switch?

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[FunktasticLucky]

Well here in my air force base I worked to swap everyone off bold 9000's to iPhone's using Good app. It's so horrible. I don't know who came up with the great decision not to mention good for enterprise app has security issues and a few major leaks under its belt. I just don't understand the decision to use these devices at all. Go back to BES which is the most secure MDM available.

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[DenverRalphy]

Hey! I thought we WEREN'T making broad general statements that are just opinion and have no basis in fact!

That wasn't a broad general statement. It was based on recognizable performance throughout the enterprise industry who all manage to be just as productive as everybody else regardless of which smartphone platform they're using.

[RyanGermann]

That wasn't a broad general statement. It was based on recognizable performance throughout the enterprise industry who all manage to be just as productive as everybody else regardless of which smartphone platform they're using.

Uh... if you don't have a unbiased study where users did "work" on a device then switched to another device and "got just as much work done" or not, well, no. Call it what you want but that's not "data" that's just as anecdotal as the assertion that "people are more productive on BlackBerry devices." I'm people... I'm more productive on a BB mobile device than on a non BB device, absolutely, or I wouldn't be using a BB device.

People can feel productive but until they willingly put in an honest effort to see how productive they can truly be on another platform, and there is a credible measurement of their productivity, it's just a broad general statement as worthy of criticism as any other, sorry. Show me an iPhone user willing to switch to a BB10 device for "productivity" and give up whatever apps they use for personal reasons... and of course some of the apps they need are ONLY on iOS, so their productivity on BB10 would PLUMMET, not even be close.

I'm not saying you were wrong to criticize the statement "people are more productive on BB" but "people are just as productive on XX or YY platform as on BB" is subject to the same criticism.

[MarsupilamiX]

That wasn't a broad general statement. It was based on recognizable performance throughout the enterprise industry who all manage to be just as productive as everybody else regardless of which smartphone platform they're using.

The apps you can access, be it custom or from the app store, make other platforms more productive than BlackBerries.
At least if your work consists of more than managing 5 email accounts on a phone.

At least that's the experience I have made in the last few years and what can be observed in enterprises.
Specialised apps, designed to make people more productive, usually achieve that goal.
Since BlackBerry doesn't really have access to those apps....

[byex]

Frank Underwood still has his BlackBerry. That's all that matters.

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[BriGuy19872015]

As an aside on trips to DC and in more 'sensitive' positions I've still mostly seen BlackBerry, but all BB7 and that could just be a time thing --- the shift here is just happening now. My current job deals with personnel admin so there is very little sensitive or classified information.

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[birdman_38]

Nothing beats BB10's Virtual keyboard, messaging platform, BBM on BB10, HUB, etc., and how intuitive this OS truly is.
Its by far the easiest to navigate and find stuff. Best in class Calendar, UNTOUCHABLE E-Mail etc.

Hmmm. Those features are so good that BlackBerry is bringing them to iOS and Android by 2016.

A lot of complaints in these forums about the new calendar. And other platforms now have push email. Kindly explain how BlackBerry's is "UNTOUCHABLE".

[spikesolie]

Hmmm. Those features are so good that BlackBerry is bringing them to iOS and Android by 2016.

A lot of complaints in these forums about the new calendar. And other platforms now have push email. Kindly explain how BlackBerry's is "UNTOUCHABLE".

So those features are still currently BlackBerry exclusive hence he's not wrong

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[TGR1]

Hmmm. Those features are so good that BlackBerry is bringing them to iOS and Android by 2016.

A lot of complaints in these forums about the new calendar. And other platforms now have push email. Kindly explain how BlackBerry's is "UNTOUCHABLE".

So those features are still currently BlackBerry exclusive hence he's not wrong

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"Nothing beats..." is still opinion, not fact. So whether his opinion is right or wrong is not defensible either way.

It does appear that BBRY considers those features of sufficient value to devote resources to porting. Which begs the question why. None of then are likely to be major revenue streams and all the ones listed have competent competitors. What they will do, IMO, is maintain BBRY's visibility with the end user even if handsets disappear, thus giving a little more dash to the software/services side. I do hope that once ported they are aggressively kept current/proactive and not allowed to languish.

[Dunt Dunt Dunt]

DISA | Mobility | Secure Unclassified Mobile Devices and Wireless Services

I posted this the other day somewhere.... DISA seems to be the one making most of the decisions on Mobility for the DoD (not all the branches are one board yet). But it is true they don't list BlackBerry devices among their Approve Mobile Devices.

But if you read some of their articles they do mention BlackBerry a number of times - not sure if that is for legacy devices or maybe at one point they planned to use BB10. Chen might not be telling everyone what his plan is for hardware, but he might be force to tell some key users so they can make long term plans. Or maybe due to the uncertainty of the last couple of years, BlackBerry was just written off until they prove they are here to stay???

Did see a report where they are working on a Top-Secret capable voice pilot program... wonder if Secusmart is involved in that?