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  1. app_Developer's Avatar
    No no, I'm talking about the back door built in, Google has reached and deleted apps from devices without the user's permision, IOS has it too, Amazon has deleted books off Kindles and some TV companies have deleted recorded media from DVR boxes.

    We're talking the ability to remotely access smartphones without the user's permission and the ability to upload/install/delete apps
    So even though intelligence agencies have access to BBM, you're saying they sent out an order to destroy RIM because of the ability to remote disable apps?
    02-01-12 05:01 PM
  2. T
    The media is definitely biased. When Europe was embroiled in WWI, Wall Street bankers knew that if England lost the war, it would default on its loans to them. But how to convince Americans to send their young people to fight and die for bankers' money? A scheme had to be concocted to make the issue an emotional one.

    The Germans suspected that a ship which carried passengers, called the Lusitania, was also carrying munitions. The German embassy attempted to place an ad warning travelers not to travel on the Lusitania. The bankers used their influence to quash that ad in all the major newspapers in the United States. It only appeared in two very small papers, one in Iowa and one somewhere else. When the Lusitania reached England waters or close to it, the British escort backed off and a German sub sank the ship. Now, it was personal: Americans were on that ship! "They" attacked us! (Sound familiar? Think "9/11.") The US entered the war, the war was won, and bankers got their money. For the complete story and details, see the book in my signature.

    As for BlackBerry, yes I believe there's an attack on BlackBerry for some of the reasons you've stated (security), and I think the reason is two-fold. On the security side, I don't think the detractors want to drive RIM out of business. Otherwise, what would they themselves use? But they probably want to herd the sheeple to other less secure platforms.

    As for the other reason, I think investment bankers would like to scrap RIM even if it's profitable. "Shareholder value" is simply accounting quackery. How come financials portray people as rich when they want to borrow money yet they portray them as poor when they owe money? It's called "Generally Accepted Accounting Principles" for a reason. If it was a hard science, it wouldn't be "generally accepted," it would be "accounting facts." No, it's smoke and mirrors, in other words bs. They may also have reasons they want Google/Android and Apple to succeed, and they're simply killing off the competition. Bankers are parasites, and if they can't skim enough, they'll cannibalize and scrap. Again, I highly recommend the book in my signature.
    Last edited by Tnis; 02-01-12 at 05:20 PM.
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    02-01-12 05:06 PM
  3. belfastdispatcher's Avatar
    So even though intelligence agencies have access to BBM, you're saying they sent out an order to destroy RIM because of the ability to remote disable apps?
    You don't get it, they can access bbm communications with a warrant and they should, but they cant reach in and censor what you can do with your smartphone. They can't reach in and delete apps you installed or force apps that track on you etc etc no back door to exploit
    02-01-12 05:07 PM
  4. app_Developer's Avatar
    You don't get it, they can access bbm communications with a warrant and they should,
    Well, good, we've at least established that you believe law enforcement should have access to private BBM messages per the law of that country.

    What about intelligence services? Indian intelligence services were given access to all BBM traffic in India. How do you feel about that?

    And in the UK, RIM doesn't even need a warrant to share customer information with authorities. You're OK with that, too, I assume?

    but they cant reach in and censor what you can do with your smartphone. They can't reach in and delete apps you installed or force apps that track on you etc etc no back door to exploit
    Do you have any cases you can cite where Apple or Google have pushed an app to a user without permission?

    And as far as the kill switch, are you saying RIM won't have the ability to kill a rogue app that they inadvertently approve to the app store? What happens if they actually get a good volume of apps and they accidentally approve a malicious one?
    02-01-12 05:14 PM
  5. belfastdispatcher's Avatar
    Well, good, we've at least established that you believe law enforcement should have access to private BBM messages per the law of that country.

    What about intelligence services? Indian intelligence services were given access to all BBM traffic in India. How do you feel about that?

    And in the UK, RIM doesn't even need a warrant to share customer information with authorities. You're OK with that, too, I assume?



    Do you have any cases you can cite where Apple or Google have pushed an app to a user without permission?

    And as far as the kill switch, are you saying RIM won't have the ability to kill a rogue app that they inadvertently approve to the app store? What happens if they actually get a good volume of apps and they accidentally approve a malicious one?
    Again, I'm not talking about communications, I'm talking about the ability to censor.

    And if Rim ever did that I'm sure they can send me an email or Pin, then I can delete it myself.
    02-01-12 05:20 PM
  6. ADozenEggs@aol.com's Avatar

    The Germans suspected that a ship which carried passengers, called the Lusitania, was also carrying munitions. The German embassy attempted to place an ad warning travelers not to travel on the Lusitania. The bankers used their influence to quash that ad in all the major newspapers in the United States. It only appeared in two very small papers, one in Iowa and one somewhere else. When the Lusitania reached England waters or close to it, the British escort backed off and a German sub sank the ship. Now, it was personal: Americans were on that ship! "They" attacked us! (Sound familiar? Think "9/11.") The US entered the war, the war was won, and bankers got their money. For the complete story and details, see the book in my signature.
    Conspiracy 101

    Actually, more young men enlisted after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor than after the sinking of the Lusitania. I wrote a paper on this subject my senior year.

    Right or wrong, something had to be done to curb the spread of fascism. The Germans were also human beings to gas chambers and ovens.

    Coco Chanel designed uniforms for Nazi officers, yet women flock to counters to purchase fragrances named after her. DuPont, Chase Bank, Etc.

    History isn't perfect. But sometimes the Universe gets things right.

    If we needed to manfacture a reason to go in and put down a rabid dog, then so be it.
    02-01-12 05:42 PM
  7. belfastdispatcher's Avatar
    If we needed to manfacture a reason to go in and put down a rabid dog, then so be it.
    And that's exactly what's wrong with this world, there's always an excuse to suit the purpose.
    02-01-12 05:53 PM
  8. hootyhoo's Avatar
    This is all a plan by the Illuminati to throw the world into chaos.

    The smartphone war.

    True story. I read it in a book.
    02-01-12 05:53 PM
  9. T
    ...Actually, more young men enlisted after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor than after the sinking of the Lusitania ... Right or wrong, something had to be done to curb the spread of fascism. The Germans were also human beings to gas chambers and ovens ... If we needed to manfacture a reason to go in and put down a rabid dog, then so be it.
    Pearl Harbor and Nazism was WWII. The Lusitania was WWI. Your post is spoken like a true fascist "right or wrong," "manufacture a reason," etc. I don't know what the circumstances of people enlisting after Pearl Harbor were -- maybe they thought Hawaii was a state (it wasn't) -- but whatever it was, it doesn't negate what I wrote about the Lusitania.
    02-01-12 05:55 PM
  10. ADozenEggs@aol.com's Avatar
    Pearl Harbor and Nazism was WWII. The Lusitania was WWI. Your post is spoken like a true fascist "right or wrong," "manufacture a reason," etc. I don't know what the circumstances of people enlisting after Pearl Harbor were -- maybe they thought Hawaii was a state (it wasn't) -- but whatever it was, it doesn't negate what I wrote about the Lusitania.
    I apologize for an Ultra compressed post. I was comparing the Lusitania to widely held belief that the U.S. had been warned about an impendng attack on Pearl Harbor weeks before it actually happened, yet did nothing to prevent it(and according to some even provoked the Japanese into attacking)

    A poll at the time.said that 80-something percent of Americans opposed getting involved. After the attack on PH, over 1 million young men enlisted.

    The U.S. didn't sink the Lusitania, but what would the world like today had the U.S. not become involved in either or those conflicts?

    Europe had been mostly overrun and the eliteand wealthy were siding with those who they thought would win. The fascist. While people(doing what people usually do) sit back and try to decide whether to get involved.

    I'm not a fascist. I come from a family of people who have fought for this country going back to WWI.

    But that's a deeper conversation then chatting on this board will allow.

    I wasn't attempting to negate your post. But saying that I believe its much more complicated than debt defaults.

    Again, I apologize if my comment offended anyone here.
    02-01-12 06:41 PM
  11. Mr.Willie's Avatar
    No no, I'm talking about the back door built in, Google has reached and deleted apps from devices without the user's permision, IOS has it too, Amazon has deleted books off Kindles and some TV companies have deleted recorded media from DVR boxes.

    We're talking the ability to remotely access smartphones without the user's permission and the ability to upload/install/delete apps
    Google deleted known malicious apps off of users phones, please back up where they have deleted non malicious apps, and where Apple has deleted apps (not talking about prerelease prototypes). I also don't believe Amazon or TV companies have deleted anything from private DVRs. (DVRs not rented from the cable company).

    Conspiracy 101
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    Coco Chanel designed uniforms for Nazi officers, yet women flock to counters to purchase fragrances named after her. DuPont, Chase Bank, Etc.

    History isn't perfect. But sometimes the Universe gets things right.

    If we needed to manfacture a reason to go in and put down a rabid dog, then so be it.
    Chase Bank ? What is wrong with them. I have personally met David Chase, he was a Holocaust victim.

    Some of you guys are paranoid...
    It's not paranoia, they really are out to get me.
    02-02-12 09:09 PM
  12. belfastdispatcher's Avatar
    Google deleted known malicious apps off of users phones, please back up where they have deleted non malicious apps, and where Apple has deleted apps (not talking about prerelease prototypes). I also don't believe Amazon or TV companies have deleted anything from private DVRs. (DVRs not rented from the cable company).



    Chase Bank ? What is wrong with them. I have personally met David Chase, he was a Holocaust victim.



    It's not paranoia, they really are out to get me.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/te.../18amazon.html


    It's the fact that the back door exists, never mind the apps.

    What if they had a key to your house back door?

    But it's ok, tyranny doesn't exist, police states don't exist, dictators don't happen. Keep believing that.
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    02-03-12 12:14 AM
  13. Economist101's Avatar
    What if they had a key to your house back door?
    I'm guessing he'd re-key the door. Next issue.
    02-03-12 12:26 AM
  14. belfastdispatcher's Avatar
    I'm guessing he'd re-key the door. Next issue.
    I'm glad you think it's that easy.
    02-03-12 01:44 AM
  15. DenverRalphy's Avatar
    Amazon Erases Orwell Books From Kindle Devices - NYTimes.com


    It's the fact that the back door exists, never mind the apps.

    What if they had a key to your house back door?

    But it's ok, tyranny doesn't exist, police states don't exist, dictators don't happen. Keep believing that.
    Sure they may exist, but on the flip side, they're not everywhere you look either.

    The article you linked to failed to mention that Amazon didn't just delete the book off of Kindles that had purchased it. They also refunded the customers' money, and gave each of them a free purchase for their next book (so they could replace the book with a legitimate copy at zero cost). Not exactly actions reminiscent of police states or dictatorships.
    02-03-12 02:44 AM
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    "Amazon can also use that network to synchronize electronic books between devices and apparently to make them vanish."

    And just a few months ago fools were calling for the sale of RIM to Amazon! Thankfully RIM isn't like Amazon or Google, and it doesn't reach into people's devices and tamper with the contents therein purpotedly "for their own good" or "to protect" them from "malicious apps." Amazon, Apple, and Google (and even RIM) are neither welcome nor authorized (by me) to tamper with the contents of my smartphone. Rather I'll protect myself against that, thank you, by using a BlackBerry. BlackBerry is most secure.
    02-03-12 05:55 AM
  17. kilted thrower's Avatar
    So this thread is saying that because Amazon, Google, and Apple has a backdoor access to the apps from their stores on peoples devices that America is going to end up in a police state?
    02-03-12 08:32 AM
  18. reeneebob's Avatar
    Pretty much. Want the tin foil hat now or later?


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    02-03-12 08:41 AM
  19. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    So this thread is saying that because Amazon, Google, and Apple has a backdoor access to the apps from their stores on peoples devices that America is going to end up in a police state?
    No... that would be silly.

    This thread states that shadowy media chiefs along with Amazon, Google and Apple along with a consortium of world states are after RIM because BlackBerry devices purportedly do not have backdoors. Their preferred method of attack is the "bash."

    *sigh* how is that you are not able to keep up?
    02-03-12 08:45 AM
  20. kbz1960's Avatar
    I don't know about those companies but if anyone can not see that freedoms and privacies are being taken away all of time little by little that one day all of the littles add up to a big. It is bigger than cell phones which are just a small piece.

    You can send me a size small foil hat but that isn't going to help.
    02-03-12 08:51 AM
  21. Rickroller's Avatar
    So this thread is saying that because Amazon, Google, and Apple has a backdoor access to the apps from their stores on peoples devices that America is going to end up in a police state?
    Yes...mwuhahahahaha

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    02-03-12 08:54 AM
  22. Economist101's Avatar
    I'm glad you think it's that easy.
    Re-keying a door is that easy. I can't help the fact that the analogy you chose was a poor one.
    02-03-12 09:56 AM
  23. belfastdispatcher's Avatar
    So this thread is saying that because Amazon, Google, and Apple has a backdoor access to the apps from their stores on peoples devices that America is going to end up in a police state?
    No, America is already heading for a police state, the Smartphone backdoors will be a big tool in controlling people.

    Welcome to the future, just a tiny tiny example:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/blackberry/p.html?id=1242073
    02-03-12 10:02 AM
  24. Economist101's Avatar
    No, America is already heading for a police state, the Smartphone backdoors will be a big tool in controlling people.

    Welcome to the future, just a tiny tiny example:

    British Tourists Detained, Deported For Tweeting 'Destroy America' (VIDEO)
    Yes, there's the pinnacle of journalistic integrity, the Huffington Post. Apparently the media is less biased when it lines up with your world view.
    02-03-12 10:21 AM
  25. belfastdispatcher's Avatar
    Yes, there's the pinnacle of journalistic integrity, the Huffington Post. Apparently the media is less biased when it lines up with your world view.
    Don't worry, that's not where I heard about it. And I wouldn't call huffingtonpost the mainstream media anyway.

    The story is true nevertheless.
    02-03-12 10:34 AM
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