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  1. IEatBlackBerries's Avatar
    FP2 secretly phoning home to China server - Flash Plus 2 - Flash Community

    Take a look at this. Holy crap! Sure sounds like a manufacturer we want producing BlackBerry devices
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    12-27-16 08:09 PM
  2. conite's Avatar
    BlackBerry controls the entire software package. No worries.
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    12-27-16 08:10 PM
  3. IEatBlackBerries's Avatar
    BlackBerry controls the entire software package. No worries.
    And what's stopping them from injecting something at a hardware manufacturing level?
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    12-27-16 08:11 PM
  4. conite's Avatar
    And what's stopping them from injecting something at a hardware manufacturing level?
    How will your little hardware thingy miraculously communicate without software?
    12-27-16 08:18 PM
  5. IEatBlackBerries's Avatar
    How will your little hardware thingy miraculously communicate without software?
    Same way that chips in modern fighter jets do. Internal software that ties into the radio module.

    But yeah let's just place our fingers in our ears and pretend this isn't a serious issue when TCL is controlling the manufacturing.
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    12-27-16 08:42 PM
  6. conite's Avatar
    Same way that chips in modern fighter jets do. Internal software that ties into the radio module.

    But yeah let's just place our fingers in our ears and pretend this isn't a serious issue when TCL is controlling the manufacturing.
    A radio module that also requires BlackBerry software to communicate to the outside world.


    From BlackBerry COO and General Manager of Devices:

    "With our unparalleled expertise in mobile security and software and TCL Communication's vast global reach and consumer access, we are confident that BlackBerry-branded products developed and distributed by TCL Communication will address the needs of BlackBerry users and expand the availability of BlackBerry Secure products throughout the world."



    BlackBerry will not provide a licence with blinders on.
    Last edited by conite; 12-27-16 at 09:12 PM.
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    12-27-16 09:01 PM
  7. sorinv's Avatar
    A radio module that also requires BlackBerry software to communicate to the outside world.


    From BlackBerry COO and General Manager of Devices:

    "With our unparalleled expertise in mobile security and software and TCL Communication's vast global reach and consumer access, we are confident that BlackBerry-branded products developed and distributed by TCL Communication will address the needs of BlackBerry users and expand the availability of BlackBerry Secure products throughout the world."



    BlackBerry will not provide a licence with blinders on.
    You are not answering his question. You are just repeating a slogan from BlackBerry that does not talk about hardware at all.


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    12-27-16 11:36 PM
  8. jefbeard911's Avatar

    But yeah let's just place our fingers in our ears and pretend this isn't a serious issue when TCL is controlling the manufacturing.
    Serious issue? What's the issue?

    Sent from my awesome BlackBerry Passport.
    Last edited by jefbeard911; 12-28-16 at 12:29 AM.
    12-27-16 11:54 PM
  9. jefbeard911's Avatar
    You are not answering his question. You are just repeating a slogan from BlackBerry that does not talk about hardware at all.


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    That's not a slogan. That's a statement. There's a difference.

    A slogan is written by the marketing department and put to song. A statement is a summary of corporate belief. If you don't trust phones made in China then your only options are Android phones built in Korea or Japan. Better?

    Sent from my awesome BlackBerry Passport.
    Last edited by jefbeard911; 12-28-16 at 12:31 AM.
    12-28-16 12:00 AM
  10. Bostil1987's Avatar
    Are there still smartphone users on this planet, that believe that their data is threatened with respect? I won't believe that Blackberry / TLC taking care of our privacy - as all the others do as well.
    12-28-16 12:48 AM
  11. Tsepz_GP's Avatar
    Prepare for the tin foil hats to come out!

    EDIT:
    Too late.
    12-28-16 01:23 AM
  12. Jayasheelan's Avatar
    So only if you root the device, it becomes vulnerable..?
    BlackBerry android devices can't be rooted right.??

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    12-28-16 01:38 AM
  13. cribble2k's Avatar
    A radio module that also requires BlackBerry software to communicate to the outside world.


    From BlackBerry COO and General Manager of Devices:

    "With our unparalleled expertise in mobile security and software and TCL Communication's vast global reach and consumer access, we are confident that BlackBerry-branded products developed and distributed by TCL Communication will address the needs of BlackBerry users and expand the availability of BlackBerry Secure products throughout the world."



    BlackBerry will not provide a licence with blinders on.
    I thought Google (along with hardware OEM's, which provide drivers) are what a phone needs to 'communicate' with the outside world.

    BlackBerry just provides apps. Much the same way Samsung provides TouchWiz, or other pre-loaded apps.
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    12-28-16 03:17 AM
  14. conite's Avatar
    I thought Google (along with hardware OEM's, which provide drivers) are what a phone needs to 'communicate' with the outside world.

    BlackBerry just provides apps. Much the same way Samsung provides TouchWiz, or other pre-loaded apps.
    No. BlackBerry provides the complete software package, including the BlackBerry-Android hardened OS.
    12-28-16 08:13 AM
  15. howarmat's Avatar
    So only if you root the device, it becomes vulnerable..?
    BlackBerry android devices can't be rooted right.??

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    its plenty vulnerable without root as well. Rooting would just mean more access to do nefarious things
    12-28-16 10:18 AM
  16. utomo uinktyo's Avatar
    And how about now? BlackBerry also send our data to canada isn't it?

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    12-28-16 11:26 AM
  17. anon(9742832)'s Avatar
    How will your little hardware thingy miraculously communicate without software?
    This is very easy to do, all you have to do is in-bed the code on an on-board chip. Any software comes after and would not catch it........

    I am not saying this is happening, but to do it is very easy.

    One last point, when I was in the US Navy years ago this became an issue. The phone came from the US Government but had spyware/chips. So in the end this kind of spying is not just done, but will have a direct target or targets.
    Last edited by thatguyusa; 12-28-16 at 12:11 PM.
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    12-28-16 11:47 AM
  18. conite's Avatar
    This is very easy to do, all you have to do is in-bed the code on an on-board chip. Any software comes after and would not catch it........

    I am not saying this is happening, but to do it is very easy.
    You would also have to change the code in the radio chip and everything in between.
    12-28-16 12:02 PM
  19. MTBBguy's Avatar
    Certainly Blackberry had this downside on their radar and took appropriate steps when they made the choice to go the Android route. I highly doubt the cons list of going to Android didn't include "phoning home spyware". If they didn't think this one through then there is no way you can claim to have a secure Android.
    12-28-16 12:09 PM
  20. anon(9742832)'s Avatar
    You would also have to change the code in the radio chip and everything in between.
    Please see my updated post. More clarification
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    12-28-16 12:11 PM
  21. DaFoxGrey's Avatar
    conite and others....
    Not saying this is or what can happen, just throwing this out there:
    On chip "hardware" backdoor, physical proof of concept:
    Researchers built devious, undetectable hardware-level backdoor in computer chips | Computerworld
    12-28-16 01:46 PM
  22. tipplex's Avatar
    The HW firmware isn't from BlackBerry!
    Firmware is closed source.

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    12-28-16 02:21 PM
  23. conite's Avatar
    The HW firmware isn't from BlackBerry!
    Firmware is closed source.

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    Are you honestly thinking that BlackBerry will allow a device that sends your info back to the Chinese mothership? Really?
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    12-28-16 03:05 PM
  24. sorinv's Avatar
    That's not a slogan. That's a statement. There's a difference.

    A slogan is written by the marketing department and put to song. A statement is a summary of corporate belief. If you don't trust phones made in China then your only options are Android phones built in Korea or Japan. Better?

    Sent from my awesome BlackBerry Passport.
    Yes, it is better.

    As for the "statement"... "a rose by any other name would" stink as ... sweet.
    It does not explain why it is secure. It merely states a belief.
    In engineering and science beliefs are not worth much unless fully supported and demonstrated by measurements.


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    12-28-16 03:39 PM
  25. sorinv's Avatar
    Are you honestly thinking that BlackBerry will allow a device that sends your info back to the Chinese mothership? Really?
    Would they know? How did the US security agencies allow the DNC to be hacked?
    Do you think they collaborated with Putin?

    Same goes for BlackBerry and the TLC phones.

    BlackBerry has proven that it doesn't have enough resources to ensure security.

    Even Chen used to say that you can't have secure software without controlling the hardware.

    Posted via CB10
    12-28-16 03:40 PM
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