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  1. Denise in Los Angeles's Avatar
    Hehehe @ the crappy jobs! Thank God I can buy a new phone anytime I desire one!

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    07-08-11 11:32 PM
  2. Thachoc1's Avatar
    use this analogy -

    if your favorite sport team use to win every game and take home crown and all of a sudden can no longer keep up and win games. would you complain and get frustrated?

    i'm a realist. i like my berry but dislike the fact that it can no longer be as competitive.
    Ha ha ok. I'm a Cowboys fan. Enough said on that. You will never hear me publicly complain about their performance or lack thereof. I cannot control them, but I can control what device I use. So can the complainers. That being the factor. Control!!!

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    07-08-11 11:36 PM
  3. Thachoc1's Avatar
    Hehehe @ the crappy jobs! Thank God I can buy a new phone anytime I desire one!

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    Exactly my point. You have a choice. They have a choice!!!

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    07-08-11 11:37 PM
  4. Denise in Los Angeles's Avatar
    use this analogy -

    if your favorite sport team use to win every game and take home crown and all of a sudden can no longer keep up and win games. would you complain and get frustrated?

    i'm a realist. i like my berry but dislike the fact that it can no longer be as competitive.
    Why do you want a phone to be competitive? My phone does what I need. Call quality, push email, bbm, texting all day, everyday, with a physical keyboard.

    And I hear lots of complaining about the Dodgers too. Guess what? Complaining won't help them start winning!

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    07-08-11 11:41 PM
  5. Thachoc1's Avatar
    use this analogy -

    if your favorite sport team use to win every game and take home crown and all of a sudden can no longer keep up and win games. would you complain and get frustrated?

    i'm a realist. i like my berry but dislike the fact that it can no longer be as competitive.
    BTW take note BB are competitive, all the others are trying to get on RIM's level. What's this I hear of a notification light coming to iPhone, everyone else trying to improve security standards, email, build quality, sound quailty, form factor. Need I say more. They all want what RIM already has. I'm sorry but RIM is on top and will be for a long time.

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    07-08-11 11:48 PM
  6. dkmoy118's Avatar
    BTW take note BB are competitive, all the others are trying to get on RIM's level. What's this I hear of a notification light coming to iPhone, everyone else trying to improve security standards, email, build quality, sound quailty, form factor. Need I say more. They all want what RIM already has. I'm sorry but RIM is on top and will be for a long time.

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    "To cut costs, RIM will lay off an undisclosed number of employees. Shares fell sharply."

    Blackberry Maker's Misfortune Tied to Not Being Competitive | PCWorld

    RIM recently also lost another million users while android gained 6.5 million and apple gained 3 million.

    RIM loses 1m BlackBerry users in US while Android and Apple boom | Technology | guardian.co.uk

    To say that RIM is on top and will be for a long time is no longer valid. In the past RIM was on top.

    RIM is like the Lincoln Towncar - once a great luxury car but never kept up with technology and trends. The only thing keeping them going are the fleet purchases by chauffeur/rental companies. RIM's numbers would have suffered more if it wasn't for the corporate accounts.

    Please keep in mind that I am a BB fan but like I mentioned I am also a realist. Unless RIM is able to make drastic changes in both technology and marketing I can only predict a declining future. I am sure many here will agree.
    07-09-11 12:07 AM
  7. Denise in Los Angeles's Avatar
    "To cut costs, RIM will lay off an undisclosed number of employees. Shares fell sharply."

    Blackberry Maker's Misfortune Tied to Not Being Competitive | PCWorld

    RIM recently also lost another million users while android gained 6.5 million and apple gained 3 million.

    RIM loses 1m BlackBerry users in US while Android and Apple boom | Technology | guardian.co.uk

    To say that RIM is on top and will be for a long time is no longer valid. In the past RIM was on top.

    RIM is like the Lincoln Towncar - once a great luxury car but never kept up with technology and trends. The only thing keeping them going are the fleet purchases by chauffeur/rental companies. RIM's numbers would have suffered more if it wasn't for the corporate accounts.

    Please keep in mind that I am a BB fan but like I mentioned I am also a realist. Unless RIM is able to make drastic changes in both technology and marketing I can only predict a declining future. I am sure many here will agree.
    Well, do something useful and predict the winning lotto numbers at least, bud.

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    07-09-11 12:12 AM
  8. dkmoy118's Avatar
    Well, do something useful and predict the winning lotto numbers at least, bud.

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    Bud, why bother replying if you don't have an valid & intuitive post? Oh, I did win my state lotto 7 years ago.
    07-09-11 12:19 AM
  9. Denise in Los Angeles's Avatar
    Its an open forum, so I also can offer my thoughts here.

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    07-09-11 12:27 AM
  10. howarmat's Avatar
    Its an open forum, so I also can offer my thoughts here.

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    and so can all the complainers! lol
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    07-09-11 12:31 AM
  11. tuffy100's Avatar
    Dear god I agree, thank you for this post!

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    07-09-11 12:35 AM
  12. dkmoy118's Avatar
    Its an open forum, so I also can offer my thoughts here.

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    I agree, it is an open forum but in my opinion thoughts and responses should be more relevant to the thread topic. A post like: "Well, do something useful and predict the winning lotto numbers at least, bud." is not beneficial to anyone and is not in anyway related to the discussion on hand.
    07-09-11 12:37 AM
  13. Thachoc1's Avatar
    "To cut costs, RIM will lay off an undisclosed number of employees. Shares fell sharply."

    Blackberry Maker's Misfortune Tied to Not Being Competitive | PCWorld

    RIM recently also lost another million users while android gained 6.5 million and apple gained 3 million.

    RIM loses 1m BlackBerry users in US while Android and Apple boom | Technology | guardian.co.uk

    To say that RIM is on top and will be for a long time is no longer valid. In the past RIM was on top.

    RIM is like the Lincoln Towncar - once a great luxury car but never kept up with technology and trends. The only thing keeping them going are the fleet purchases by chauffeur/rental companies. RIM's numbers would have suffered more if it wasn't for the corporate accounts.

    Please keep in mind that I am a BB fan but like I mentioned I am also a realist. Unless RIM is able to make drastic changes in both technology and marketing I can only predict a declining future. I am sure many here will agree.
    I still see everyone else trying to do things RIM has already done. Numbers don't lie. Thats true. All those articles tell me is that other people are taking action. Not complaining. I am not trying to make anyone stay, i just want them to be happy with what they have. So much negativity, and its going no where.

    Currently there are other devices out there and they are not necessarily better, but thats why the numbers have shifted. Those devices meet a different set of needs. RIM as i stated is working hard to bring us new and better things hence the 9900 and PB. Acquisitions of top notch companies, implementation of a whole new OS, and other advancements are all examples of that. They are competing, and thats real.
    07-09-11 12:39 AM
  14. Denise in Los Angeles's Avatar
    People who persist in bashing RIM are not adding any value to CrackBerry.

    http://forums.crackberry.com/general...-trash-609572/

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    07-09-11 12:42 AM
  15. Thachoc1's Avatar
    Yes this is a very open thread, so i ask "What has complaining done for you lately?" Ask yourselves, did it get you what you wanted, or did you have to take action?
    07-09-11 12:44 AM
  16. Denise in Los Angeles's Avatar
    I don't think complaining on a forum is productive. But I did complain to my insurance company and get my car a very lovely paint job. Sometimes complaining works out.

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    07-09-11 12:49 AM
  17. gunderscorewil's Avatar
    I sir am one of the many that encourage and support every bit of the hard work that goes into the technology that we hold in our hands. My Storm and PB are top notch devices IMHO!!! I too enjoy the finer things in life just like the next person. HOWEVER, I will make the most of what I have. And if it doesn't do what I want it to THEN I WILL SWITCH, not sit up and B I T C H about it. Take action because whining and crying will get you no where. For instance if you have a crappy job and you don't make enough money are you gonna complain or get a new job making more money. Its no ones fault but your own that you bought what you bought. Suck it up, own it and do better. I believe someone at RIM reads these forums as well but how much of it do you really think has an impact.

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    Well you switch but some people actually want their desired firm to do better than they are.

    For you to say that Blackberry is competitive because of some blinking light (that other phones have also had for years) and build quality (Apple, HTC, Moto, Samsang, Nokia are and have been on par better than BB) is just blind bias. Yes I understand that there are those of us who are content with the devices that do the bare minimum of doing txt and email well. But there are more of us that would like to RIM at least give us the option of a device that does more than make calls and send text.

    Im not saying that I expect RIM to all of a sudden join the arms race full on, but I think they will do well to give those of us that want more than just a glorified feature phone with a good keyboard something to look forward to.

    The days of "ZOMG!!! Its a phone!! It makes calls right??......Then be quiet!" are over. SMARTphones are meant to do much more than that and are meant to be competitive with other smartphones. Many of us want a BLACKBERRY that can do the things such as actually good web browsing, games and apps because we like Blackberries. But RIM is not (not to be confused with CANnot) delivering. So complaints come about.

    And as far as your "Then I switch" comment, many people do just that after they have become annoyed enough. But, no one wants to give up on a company they like/have been with....soooo they complain about their needs not being met rather than just quit with no expressed reason.

    The problem is that RIM is just very slow to answer....resting on their laurels possibly....And many people have already jumped ship and enjoy other platforms. However the complaining has obviously worked, if not too late. This is expressed in the large jump in certain specs between the 9780 and the 9900 (i.e. 50% more RAM, DOUBLE processor speed, much better screen resolution, 720p video etc.).

    Basically, If no one had complained you could expect for September to bring us a Bold 9790 (instead of 9900) with the same processor, maybe better screen resolution, probably still with 3G-only chip and only on one or two american carriers.
    Last edited by gunderscorewil; 07-09-11 at 12:53 AM.
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    07-09-11 12:51 AM
  18. Denise in Los Angeles's Avatar
    Complaining on a forum won't get anyone anywhere. But I did complain to my insurance company and now my car has a lovely paint job. Sometimes complaining is effective.

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    07-09-11 12:51 AM
  19. gunderscorewil's Avatar
    Yes this is a very open thread, so i ask "What has complaining done for you lately?" Ask yourselves, did it get you what you wanted, or did you have to take action?
    Complained to ATT about the "Smartphone" sold me not being very smart and they are giving me the choice of another device.
    07-09-11 12:52 AM
  20. dkmoy118's Avatar
    I still see everyone else trying to do things RIM has already done. Numbers don't lie. Thats true. All those articles tell me is that other people are taking action. Not complaining. I am not trying to make anyone stay, i just want them to be happy with what they have. So much negativity, and its going no where.

    Currently there are other devices out there and they are not necessarily better, but thats why the numbers have shifted. Those devices meet a different set of needs. RIM as i stated is working hard to bring us new and better things hence the 9900 and PB. Acquisitions of top notch companies, implementation of a whole new OS, and other advancements are all examples of that. They are competing, and thats real.
    All the other manufactures are fine tuning and strengthening their product line by mirroring what already has been in BB heritage since it seems that they already excelled in other areas (ex. screen res). However, BB seems to neglect that mirroring aspect to improve what they lack. What is preventing RIM to produce more cutting edge / trend setting berries? I don't know. What I know is that I been loyal to RIM for 8 years and the Torch 2 will determine if I will continue to be a berry user.

    I can only guess that most of the negativity are due to the frustration of loyal berry users who are tired of seeing other more advance devices flood the market. The frustration only increases when RIM releases a device/s with aged specs. Many of us are use to RIM being the trend setters not the company who needs to layoff employees due to slumping shares.
    07-09-11 12:57 AM
  21. Denise in Los Angeles's Avatar
    In the end, buy whatever phone and then be happy with it. No sense in spending time rehashing these complaints again and again.

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    07-09-11 12:58 AM
  22. Thachoc1's Avatar
    Well you switch but some people actually want their desired firm to do better than they are.

    For you to say that Blackberry is competitive because of some blinking light (that other phones have also had for years) and build quality (Apple, HTC, Moto, Samsang, Nokia are and have been on par better than BB) is just blind bias. Yes I understand that there are those of us who are content with the devices that do the bare minimum of doing txt and email well. But there are more of us that would like to RIM at least give us the option of a device that does more than make calls and send text.

    Im not saying that I expect RIM to all of a sudden join the arms race full on, but I think they will do well to give those of us that want more than just a glorified feature phone with a good keyboard something to look forward to.

    The days of "ZOMG!!! Its a phone!! It makes calls right??......Then be quiet!" are over. SMARTphones are meant to do much more than that and are meant to be competitive with other smartphones. Many of us want a BLACKBERRY that can do the things such as actually good web browsing, games and apps because we like Blackberries. But RIM is not (not to be confused with CANnot) delivering. So complaints come about.

    And as far as your "Then I switch" comment, many people do just that after they have become annoyed enough. But, no one wants to give up on a company they like/have been with....soooo they complain about their needs not being met rather than just quit with no expressed reason.

    The problem is that RIM is just very slow to answer....resting on their laurels possibly....And many people have already jumped ship and enjoy other platforms. However the complaining has obviously worked, if not too late. This is expressed in the large jump in certain specs between the 9780 and the 9900 (i.e. 50% more RAM, DOUBLE processor speed, much better screen resolution, 720p video etc.).

    Basically, If no one had complained you could expect for September to bring us a Bold 9790 (instead of 9900) with the same processor, maybe better screen resolution, probably still with 3G-only chip and only on one or two american carriers.
    By all means complain, but to a limit. Like Tequila said doing it here is virtually pointless. So many of the same people have been complaining for weeks, months, and years. Give it a rest and go see if the grass is greener.

    And are you seriously gonna sit there and say that what other companies are trying to do is not a competitive stand point. Minimize it if you want but to them its a big thing. No RIM may not have been the innovators of certain aspects, but currently they've got quite a few things in the bag. And the others are trying to follow that lead. Plain and simple.
    07-09-11 01:06 AM
  23. jerry12's Avatar
    Everyone complaining about RIM is just wasting their time here on Crackberry. This site is for BlackBerry users, and to help new BlackBerry owners.

    And, not all of the CrackBerry nation worry about the price of our phones. Sorry if some of you lose sleep about that.

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    People can say what they want to in a open forum as long as they are in the forum gulid lines. There is no need to get smart mouth with others if you don't agree with them. I for one have the wifi issue that many 9650's have & so far there doesn't seem to be a fix that work's in all case's. For a phone that cost 500.00 with a120 HR on it you would hope every thing worked so I think Rim should have a fix for it since it is a large number giving trouble. I am sure if the forum breaks the rules of posting then a Mod will step in & let us no it is getting out of hand. I like BlackBerry's this is the fith one that I have had & I do expect it to work as it was made to work. If some one buy's a top of the line BlackBerry then they expect it to have all the bell's & whistle's on it.

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    07-09-11 01:11 AM
  24. Thachoc1's Avatar
    All the other manufactures are fine tuning and strengthening their product line by mirroring what already has been in BB heritage since it seems that they already excelled in other areas (ex. screen res). However, BB seems to neglect that mirroring aspect to improve what they lack. What is preventing RIM to produce more cutting edge / trend setting berries? I don't know. What I know is that I been loyal to RIM for 8 years and the Torch 2 will determine if I will continue to be a berry user.

    I can only guess that most of the negativity are due to the frustration of loyal berry users who are tired of seeing other more advance devices flood the market. The frustration only increases when RIM releases a device/s with aged specs. Many of us are use to RIM being the trend setters not the company who needs to layoff employees due to slumping shares.
    Based on what? RIMS CURRENT DEVICES!!!!!! Is the Playbook neglecting this aspect. Is the 9900 neglecting that aspect? BB's bearing the new QNX OS is that neglecting. Open your eye's to the future, you've got to look ahead because you'll never advance if you're looking back. If the complainers cant be patient enough the wait for the next big thing then they should beat feet. Constantly complaining aint changing a thing.
    07-09-11 01:19 AM
  25. gunderscorewil's Avatar
    By all means complain, but to a limit. Like Tequila said doing it here is virtually pointless. So many of the same people have been complaining for weeks, months, and years. Give it a rest and go see if the grass is greener.

    And are you seriously gonna sit there and say that what other companies are trying to do is not a competitive stand point. Minimize it if you want but to them its a big thing. No RIM may not have been the innovators of certain aspects, but currently they've got quite a few things in the bag. And the others are trying to follow that lead. Plain and simple.
    Im not saying the other companies arent taking a good idea and running with it, but cmon dude, you dont seriously think that having an LED light makes a phone the best??? LEDs have been commonplace on phones in general since forever. Lately, RIM has not been an innovator in anything. The last thing innovative they have doon was the tocuhscreen on the Storm/2...and they have yet to re-implement it.

    RIM needs to take a page from Apple and Google and do some copying of their own. If they dont, those other companies, who already do most things better than BB, will start to infringe upon the competitive advantages (however few) that RIM still has. Like you said, Apple is soon to get the almighty indicator light. Also, activesync is no worse than BIS/BES, Apple battery life has always been pretty decent, and some android keyboards (physical and virtual) are pretty awesome...2 Examples: the G2/DesireZ has a truly awesom physical qwerty, I played with an Inspire today and typed just as fast as i do with my Curve (NOTHING is better than my 9000).
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    07-09-11 01:21 AM
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