1. gwanstarr's Avatar
    With Apple claiming Samsung has ripped them off by copying the iPhone/iPad and has successfully stopped the sale of certain products in the Galaxy line, what would stop RIM from pursuing a similar claim towards iMessage for ripping off BBM?
    10-14-11 09:23 AM
  2. GingerSnapsBack's Avatar
    With Apple claiming Samsung has ripped them off by copying the iPhone/iPad and has successfully stopped the sale of certain products in the Galaxy line, what would stop RIM from pursuing a similar claim towards iMessage for ripping off BBM?
    If you want to get technical, AOL should sue Yahoo and Google Talk for infringing on their instant message service. For that matter, AOL should sue RIM for ripping off their AIM service, since AIM was really the first instant messaging program that caught on.

    I doubt anything happens. There are multiple chat platforms available to use. I could maybe see it if BBM was the only platform available, but it's not.
    10-14-11 01:08 PM
  3. psufan32's Avatar
    Lol.

    In a word, no.
    10-14-11 02:27 PM
  4. Accidental Post's Avatar
    They can't afford the lawyers........
    10-14-11 02:35 PM
  5. gwanstarr's Avatar
    If you want to get technical, AOL should sue Yahoo and Google Talk for infringing on their instant message service. For that matter, AOL should sue RIM for ripping off their AIM service, since AIM was really the first instant messaging program that caught on.

    I doubt anything happens. There are multiple chat platforms available to use. I could maybe see it if BBM was the only platform available, but it's not.
    Yes, there are multiple platforms, but isn't BBM unique in the Push-Deliver-Read feature? This was RIM's idea brought to smart phones and up until now they were the only platform to offer this.

    Apple copied it with exactly with the same features, Push-Delivered-Read, the operative word is copied, the same way Samsung and others copied Apple by Apples claims. This brings about the question, if Apple is so sensitive about others stealing their ideas, why are they so quick to copy and steal others ideas?
    10-14-11 02:47 PM
  6. theKHMERboy's Avatar
    Well its good that the company have similar features with their differences but yeah apple always claim other companies copy them this and that and when they finally do it someone should step up and say something but I don't know I don't mind it cause even tho iphone have imessage now I don't think its nearly as great as bbm

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    10-14-11 02:51 PM
  7. world traveler and former ceo's Avatar
    i could never understand since rim invented the smart phone (mobile device permitting both emailing and phone capabilities) why they could not prevent others from replicating it? .. via patents ...
    10-14-11 02:56 PM
  8. olga421's Avatar
    its not as good as bbm no way,apple has allways stolen ideas this is why i will never own one,even if i were given one,i would quickly sell it to a brain washed apple loving sheep lol this media bashing by the way is like the Toyota scenario wow gotta love the USA lol
    10-14-11 03:03 PM
  9. Economist101's Avatar
    i could never understand since rim invented the smart phone (mobile device permitting both emailing and phone capabilities) why they could not prevent others from replicating it? .. via patents ...
    It's because no one company invented the smartphone, not even RIM.
    10-14-11 03:06 PM
  10. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    LOL... patent law is not as simple as you folks are making it. You can't just look at something and go: hey... they ripped me off.

    If RIM's patents were infringed upon, they should fight to protect themselves, but I think the whole Apple-ripped-iMessage-from -BB argument may not be as clear cur as some would think.

    By the way, aren't RIM and Apple patent buddies? Didn't they get into that expensive (for RIM) alliance to freeze out Android?
    10-14-11 03:08 PM
  11. Economist101's Avatar
    With Apple claiming Samsung has ripped them off by copying the iPhone/iPad and has successfully stopped the sale of certain products in the Galaxy line, what would stop RIM from pursuing a similar claim towards iMessage for ripping off BBM?
    The successful claims Apple has presented are based on hardware similarities, not software.
    10-14-11 03:09 PM
  12. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    its not as good as bbm no way,apple has allways stolen ideas this is why i will never own one,even if i were given one,i would quickly sell it to a brain washed apple loving sheep lol this media bashing by the way is like the Toyota scenario wow gotta love the USA lol
    Oh. So you used products that contain ONLY "original" ideas? Be careful with overly extraneous ideals. You may hurt yourself when you find out RIM settles patent lawsuits too.
    10-14-11 03:12 PM
  13. Economist101's Avatar
    Oh. So you used products that contain ONLY "original" ideas? Be careful with overly extraneous ideals. You may hurt yourself when you find out RIM settles patent lawsuits too.
    Yes apparently RIM invented telephones, keyboards, e-mail and text messaging; they are completely original to RIM with absolutely no copying of anything.
    10-14-11 03:19 PM
  14. Kg810's Avatar
    i could never understand since rim invented the smart phone (mobile device permitting both emailing and phone capabilities) why they could not prevent others from replicating it? .. via patents ...
    Are there any threads in forum where BB fanboys aren't completely misinformed and completely clueless?

    I must commend those who aren't delusional on this forum.. you guys have some serious patience because every single thread I click on there's a handful of crazy BB users.
    Chrisy likes this.
    10-14-11 03:25 PM
  15. Blackberry_Boy's Avatar
    i could never understand since rim invented the smart phone (mobile device permitting both emailing and phone capabilities) why they could not prevent others from replicating it? .. via patents ...
    Can somebody explain why RIM had to be $600 million to that Patent Troll in New York, who claim they held a central patent (push email?) while the rest paid nothing? Or did they?

    One would also think that if RIM had something that was patentable and was being copied they would initiate action. Perhaps it is being considered.
    10-14-11 03:30 PM
  16. gwanstarr's Avatar
    RIM already sued the makers of Kik Messenger last year for copying BBM. Perhaps just a matter of time before they sue Apple.

    RIM sues app maker over BlackBerry Messenger patent

    Toronto: After software giant Microsoft which is embroiled in a legal battle over Word patent, now BlackBerry maker Research In Motion (RIM) too is entangled in a patent battle.

    The Canadian wireless giant has dragged a fast-growing app developer called Kik Interactive Ltd to court for infringing on its wildly popular BlackBerry Messenger (BBM) which has more 30 million users.

    Interestingly, both RIM and Kirk Interactive Ltd. are based at Waterloo near Toronto.



    At the heart of the legal battle is Kik Messenger - a cross-platform instant messaging app - which is run by Kirk Interactive Ltd and has suddenly become very popular.
    Kik Messenger is a smart-phone application that allows users to send instant messages on their BlackBerrys, iPhones and Google's Android smart phones.
    Kik Messenger has reportedly become an instant hit, garnering more than two million users within the first month of its launch.

    But in its statement of claim filed in the local Federal Court this week against Kik Interactive Ltd, the BlackBerry maker says Kik Messenger infringes on its own BlackBerry Messenger.

    It has also banished Kik's app from its own BlackBerry app store.
    In its court statement, the BlackBerry maker says that Kik CEO Ted Livingston worked at RIM at three different periods and then left to start his own instant-messaging app.
    "Initially, to gain access to and integrate its applications with RIM's BlackBerry infrastructure, the defendant (Ted Livingston) represented to RIM that it was developing a music-sharing device to integrate with the BlackBerry Messenger platform,'' RIM says in its court filing this week.

    "Instead the defendant created a cross-platform instant-messaging application for use with various smart-phone platforms,'' according to the RIM statement.
    The BlackBerry maker has further alleged that once the Kik app is installed on a BlackBerry smart phone, it accesses personal information without the user's consent, thus violating all privacy laws.

    "Kik unfairly benefited from its decision to unlawfully access and use the end users' personal information as a means of driving the growth of its business,'' according to RIM's statement of claim.

    But the Kik CEO has responded by posting on his website that "the company I shared our entire plan with every step of the way, is suing us. I'm not afraid. I'm not surprised. But I am disappointed.''

    Unlike Kik which is a cross-platform messaging app, BlackBerry Messenger (BBM) allows users to communicate only with other BlackBerry users.
    10-14-11 03:31 PM
  17. Kg810's Avatar
    Kik is back btw (not like it matters though).
    10-14-11 03:38 PM
  18. gwanstarr's Avatar
    Kik is back btw (not like it matters though).
    Lawsuit is still ongoing...


    Kik Messenger returns to BlackBerry despite lawsuit

    (Reuters) - Kik Interactive, an instant messaging service startup against which Research In Motion launched a lawsuit last year, is testing a new version of software that can be used on RIM's BlackBerry smartphones, Kik's founder said on Thursday.

    The Kik Messenger service - which has been available for Apple's iPhone and devices running Google's Android software for more than a year - was pulled from RIM's app store in November and RIM launched its suit a month later.

    In its court filing, RIM said Kik founder and Chief Executive Ted Livingston used knowledge gleaned while working on development of BlackBerry Messenger to create Kik Messenger.

    Livingston declined comment on the ongoing lawsuit but said the new application was not built specifically for BlackBerry phones and would also work on so-called feature phones, cheaper devices that typically use the Java coding language.

    "We wanted it to be a secret so we'd get some feedback before it went to a wider audience, but we have a version that's built for Java that works on BlackBerry phones," Livingston told Reuters in a phone interview on Thursday.

    "None of it is unique to BlackBerry so we don't see what the possible problem could be," he said.

    The Kik service, much like RIM's BlackBerry Messenger, allows users to see when a message has been sent, delivered, read and when it is being replied to in real-time.

    But unlike BlackBerry Messenger, or BBM as it is popularly known, the Kik product allows chatter across platforms.

    RIM says some 45 million people use BBM and 70 percent of them use it daily. Kik boasts 4 million users. It had 2.5 million, including 1 million BlackBerry users, when RIM sued.

    Livingston said the new app has not yet been submitted for inclusion in RIM's App World catalog. The beta version is available for download at Kik's website.
    10-14-11 03:47 PM
  19. chanpisan's Avatar
    Lol we have Neo to delivery our bbm message

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    10-14-11 04:41 PM
  20. Economist101's Avatar
    RIM already sued the makers of Kik Messenger last year for copying BBM. Perhaps just a matter of time before they sue Apple.

    Apple is a little bit bigger and in a lot better position to litigate ($76 billion+ in cash and $6 billion in quarterly profit) than whoever owns Kik.
    10-14-11 05:06 PM
  21. jasonvw's Avatar
    Time will tell. But RIM isn't really going after any of the bbm ripoffs other than Kik. Doubt they'll go after apple which owns numerous patents on their own. Im sure QNX will infringe on some of them.

    I think the bigger question is why isn't google helping samsung out and go after apple for the obvious ripoff of the notification system?
    10-14-11 05:30 PM
  22. BoldtotheMax's Avatar
    Only blind iPhone users would bring up patents that have been on phones for years when someone says Apple copies something.

    It is true, from iMessage, quicker email, now LED lights and trying their damndest with true multitasking and even the icloud. ....oh and don't forget Siri.......

    All they do is copy other companies, which is okay until someone does it to them and break out the SUE hammer!

    I like the specs of the iP4s, but my Android has been doing all that fine for awhile now. **** my BB was doing stuff fine that Apple does now and somehow it is brand new innovation .....

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    10-14-11 06:17 PM
  23. DenverRalphy's Avatar
    From what I've read and recall about the RIM vs Kik issue; RIM isn't suing Kik because they are intruding on the messenger front. They're acting against the person who started Kik as he (allegedly) is using technologies gleaned or learned from RIM while working on BBM during his employment at RIM. Whether he's actually using RIM's intellectual property to accomplish it, or violating a non-compete clause... :shrug:... who knows. But it's not a case of suing as a matter of recourse to prevent intrusion from any startup messenger. They simply don't have any case against other messenger platforms, and not because they're terrified of litigating against another company with a few tons of cash lying around.
    Last edited by rmjones101; 10-14-11 at 07:06 PM.
    10-14-11 07:03 PM
  24. gwanstarr's Avatar
    Sure RIM doesn't have as much ca$h as Apple, but they do have a lot of cash and I'm sure they could hire some pretty expensive and good lawyers if there are patent infringements. But starting a war over the long haul might not be the best strategic move.
    10-14-11 07:33 PM
  25. Economist101's Avatar
    Sure RIM doesn't have as much ca$h as Apple, but they do have a lot of cash and I'm sure they could hire some pretty expensive and good lawyers if there are patent infringements. But starting a war over the long haul might not be the best strategic move.
    Don't get me wrong; if RIM has a compelling argument then they can do whatever they like. But if the case is marginal, it's probably not worth the expense.
    10-14-11 07:39 PM
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