03-31-20 04:10 PM
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  1. jonathanbcase's Avatar
    Curious whether any of the knowledgeable regulars have practical experience, not in an enterprise setting, but more as individual consumers, with devices that support Samsung Knox (both phones and tablets).

    If yes, what's your own experience with the Knox functionality? Plusses? Challenges? Lessons learned? Warnings?
    elfabio80 likes this.
    02-16-20 09:25 AM
  2. conite's Avatar
    Curious whether any of the knowledgeable regulars have practical experience, not in an enterprise setting, but more as individual consumers, with devices that support Samsung Knox (both phones and tablets).

    If yes, what's your own experience with the Knox functionality? Plusses? Challenges? Lessons learned? Warnings?
    Without being on an EMM, Knox doesn't really do much the user can see.
    app_Developer likes this.
    02-16-20 09:57 AM
  3. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Right. Like BB's BES/UEM, Knox is about creating a containerized "work" space and by keeping corporate email and file shares contained and separate from the "user" space on the phone, as well as restricting the apps on the work space. If you aren't working for a large company with a lot of its own infrastructure, then these solutions won't really do anything for you, and aren't designed for stand-alone consumer use.
    bakron1 and D BB like this.
    02-16-20 02:25 PM
  4. Bbnivende's Avatar
    Right. Like BB's BES/UEM, Knox is about creating a containerized "work" space and by keeping corporate email and file shares contained and separate from the "user" space on the phone, as well as restricting the apps on the work space. If you aren't working for a large company with a lot of its own infrastructure, then these solutions won't really do anything for you, and aren't designed for stand-alone consumer use.
    Ok .. along the same line - what about the BlackBerry Android Root of Trust? Value for business or consumers? What does Samsung do?
    02-16-20 03:03 PM
  5. conite's Avatar
    Ok .. along the same line - what about the BlackBerry Android Root of Trust? Value for business or consumers? What does Samsung do?
    Knox uses the root of trust, as does vanilla Android and BlackBerry Android. All slightly different implementations, and one can argue which one is better.

    Knox has its own version of Integrity Detection, which will throw you off an EMM if it detects you've been compromised (root and/or changes to system files).
    02-16-20 04:11 PM
  6. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Ok .. along the same line - what about the BlackBerry Android Root of Trust? Value for business or consumers? What does Samsung do?
    Samsung has a Root of Trust. Samsung allows their devices to be rooted by individual owners, but there is a Knox "fuse" that, once "blown" by rooting can never be repaired, which means a rooted device can never again run Knox, and thus can't used be on a Knox-managed network. Even restoring the original Samsung factory image won't "fix" it - it is very literally a permanent break.
    02-16-20 04:41 PM
  7. joeldf's Avatar
    Doesn't tripping Knox also break some app usage, like Samsung Pay?
    02-16-20 07:46 PM
  8. Bbnivende's Avatar
    So for a consumer is the root of trust protection worthwhile? Can a malicious app root a phone?
    02-17-20 12:12 AM
  9. conite's Avatar
    So for a consumer is the root of trust protection worthwhile? Can a malicious app root a phone?
    Root of trust means only a signed OS can be installed on the device, and that any OS tampering would be flagged at boot.

    This doesn't mean a device can't be compromised while already running though. That's what BlackBerry Android Integrity Detection is for, which Knox has a version of as well - called Real-Time Kernel Protection.
    Last edited by conite; 02-17-20 at 12:53 AM.
    02-17-20 12:42 AM
  10. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Doesn't tripping Knox also break some app usage, like Samsung Pay?
    Yes, it will break the ability to do mobile payments and probably some other high-security things.
    02-17-20 12:42 AM
  11. chain13's Avatar
    Knox performs pretty much under the hood
    02-17-20 12:46 AM
  12. cgk's Avatar
    For the individual consumer while there is stuff going on in the background, Samsung does not make a big deal of it because nobody cares.
    02-17-20 11:47 AM
  13. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    For the individual consumer while there is stuff going on in the background, Samsung does not make a big deal of it because nobody cares.
    Yeah if someone wants to know... there is a KNOX website.

    Some of the apps utilize KNOX to secure your personal data..... Payment App, Health App, Secure Folders, Samsung Pass.

    But yes it's mostly used to separate company and personal data and to keep the company data secure. KNOX provides some hardware-backed security features that generic Android does not.

    Now Google's Pixel phones have a the security chip in them that offer some hardware security as well.
    02-17-20 02:01 PM
  14. eshropshire's Avatar
    Samsung Knox five US Government security certifications.
    https://support.samsungknox.com/hc/e...US-government-
    02-17-20 03:18 PM
  15. cgk's Avatar
    Yeah if someone wants to know... there is a KNOX website.

    Some of the apps utilize KNOX to secure your personal data..... Payment App, Health App, Secure Folders, Samsung Pass.

    But yes it's mostly used to separate company and personal data and to keep the company data secure. KNOX provides some hardware-backed security features that generic Android does not.

    Now Google's Pixel phones have a the security chip in them that offer some hardware security as well.

    Occasionally I get a secure folder notification but as an individual I ignore them.
    02-18-20 04:36 AM
  16. thinkdan's Avatar
    Sorry to revive an old thread... So, Knox is nothing like BlackBerry's Locker? The biggest reason why I won't switch to a different phone is because I depend on Locker to keep some stuff private on my KEY2 LE ... I don't know of any other brand that replicates that functionality.
    03-04-20 11:01 PM
  17. nevilleadaniels's Avatar
    Sorry to revive an old thread... So, Knox is nothing like BlackBerry's Locker? The biggest reason why I won't switch to a different phone is because I depend on Locker to keep some stuff private on my KEY2 LE ... I don't know of any other brand that replicates that functionality.
    Samsung Secure Folder? Should you trust this?

    Bare in mind that Samsung has moved Drive space out of Korea to an american owned drive system such as Microsoft Onedrive
    03-05-20 05:19 AM
  18. conite's Avatar
    Sorry to revive an old thread... So, Knox is nothing like BlackBerry's Locker? The biggest reason why I won't switch to a different phone is because I depend on Locker to keep some stuff private on my KEY2 LE ... I don't know of any other brand that replicates that functionality.
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...mantec.applock
    03-05-20 06:05 AM
  19. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    Samsung Secure Folder? Should you trust this?

    Bare in mind that Samsung has moved Drive space out of Korea to an american owned drive system such as Microsoft Onedrive
    I'd trust Samsung Secure Folder over TCL's Locker app.... Locker is not a BlackBerry product.
    03-05-20 07:13 AM
  20. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    I'd trust Samsung Secure Folder over TCL's Locker app.... Locker is not a BlackBerry product.
    For an individual user who wants to create a secure folder on their Android phone, I would use Cryptomator, which encrypts data locally and can synchronize encrypted files with Cloud services.

    The Enterprise solutions, like Knox and BlackBerry UEM require a work profile.

    BlackBerry's locker is only intended as a "privacy lock" on a local phone. It's not a serious solution for sensitive data.

    Z10 = BB10 + VKB > iOS + Android
    dmlis likes this.
    03-05-20 08:22 AM
  21. StJohnSmythe's Avatar
    Doesn’t this app perform the same function?

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...ditor&hl=en_US
    03-06-20 03:25 AM
  22. StJohnSmythe's Avatar
    Do you think Norton is as secure or robust as BBMo locker?
    03-06-20 03:29 AM
  23. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    Doesn’t this app perform the same function?

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...ditor&hl=en_US
    When choosing applications to protect sensitive data, you need to select vendors who have been thoroughly vetted. Cryptomator has undergone a third party security audit, and it's open source software has been thoroughly reviewed.

    What do you know about the developer and the code on the app you mentioned. Why should I believe it uses the right encryption algorithms, and they they are properly implemented with no leaks or back doors?

    Z10 = BB10 + VKB > iOS + Android
    03-06-20 05:56 AM
  24. conite's Avatar
    Do you think Norton is as secure or robust as BBMo locker?
    More so. The TCL Locker isn't really secure - it's only meant to casually hide things from prying eyes.
    03-06-20 06:51 AM
  25. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    More so. The TCL Locker isn't really secure - it's only meant to casually hide things from prying eyes.
    +1

    Z10 = BB10 + VKB > iOS + Android
    03-06-20 07:21 AM
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