1. arinegara's Avatar
    Our IT Minister will ban Blackberry Service in Indonesia if RIM doesn't block porn site to be accessed via handheld. This will occur in 2 weeks time.. I hope that won't be happened.
    01-09-11 08:09 PM
  2. middbrew's Avatar
    Sorry to hear that. Good luck with your fight to keep your service.
    01-09-11 08:52 PM
  3. gedubraks's Avatar
    In a way, that seems impossible... the IT minister is just blowing smoke... He states that RIM needs to adhere to the Indonesian law against porn... But seriously, if the government cant block people from accessing porn via the internet... Do they really think that banning blackberry's will be the solution? There will always be people accessing porn...

    He claims that there are individuals using the blackberry to access porn, I wont deny that it isnt possible and yes I've tried it.. but man... blackberry screens are just way too small!! Thats what laptops, and personal pcs are for..

    There have been speculations that this is just a government conspiracy to cover up other important issues... In other words, making such a big hype so that the public looks in the other direction
    01-10-11 04:33 AM
  4. reginald_1986's Avatar
    Erm...first of all, when I read this I was like "wut?".

    Like what others said, stopping BB service to porn sites is kinda...crap >.> Well I can't say much but all I can say is...this is a free world

    I guess this will be another...failure after some time. How about the rest of the smart phones?
    01-10-11 09:03 AM
  5. Reed McLay's Avatar
    Erm...first of all, when I read this I was like "wut?".

    Like what others said, stopping BB service to porn sites is kinda...crap >.> Well I can't say much but all I can say is...this is a free world

    I guess this will be another...failure after some time. How about the rest of the smart phones?
    The original poster is in Indonesia.

    a presidential representative democratic republic, whereby the President of Indonesia is both head of state and head of government, and of a multi-party system. ...
    The freedoms we enjoy, do not apply to most of the World's population, including the 300 Million that live in Indonesia.

    It is very unlikely that BlackBerry Service will be blocked. More likely, Indonesia will take it's seat among those nations that routinely monitor and censor information.

    "RIM has been engaged with its carrier partners and the government on this matter and continues to make it a top priority to implement satisfactory technical solutions with its partners as soon as possible," the company said in an email statement.
    They can do that with Internet access, Messenger, Email and third party applications, unless the device is part of an encrypted BES network.
    01-10-11 11:07 AM
  6. Scrapegoat's Avatar
    Erm...first of all, when I read this I was like "wut?".

    Like what others said, stopping BB service to porn sites is kinda...crap >.> Well I can't say much but all I can say is...this is a free world

    I guess this will be another...failure after some time. How about the rest of the smart phones?
    Sorry, no free world here and deteriorating quickly, with religious intolerance on the increase. If your not muslim your not welcome.....
    01-10-11 12:17 PM
  7. tranceforge's Avatar
    Sorry, no free world here and deteriorating quickly, with religious intolerance on the increase. If your not muslim your not welcome.....
    we are not speaks about religion, we are talks the probability whether the decision will be choose or not.
    01-10-11 02:16 PM
  8. reginald_1986's Avatar
    The original poster is in Indonesia.
    Yes I know from his location. What I mean that, yes, even though the country could have strict law, but should also consider the citizens

    Sorry, no free world here and deteriorating quickly, with religious intolerance on the increase. If your not muslim your not welcome.....
    Noo...it can't be said like that. Too direct and should be rephrased It is not about religion (even though it could be) but about the possibility of the topic like what tranceforce said.
    01-10-11 03:01 PM
  9. dictoresno's Avatar
    its not RIM's job to block certain sites, its the carriers job.
    01-10-11 05:45 PM
  10. Mister Xiado's Avatar
    Isn't it your own country's obligation to block access to sites it deems inappropriate to its citizens? Oh wait, that requires a centralized control center and a robust infrastructure.

    Or they could just chuck it all and you know, grant people the freedom to do whatever they want so long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights of others.
    01-10-11 07:32 PM
  11. Scrapegoat's Avatar
    we are not speaks about religion, we are talks the probability whether the decision will be choose or not.
    Sorry to ruffle your feathers, my response was entirely appropriate, as this decision and therefore the existence of this thread is based upon religion.... A religion that I witness everyday living here in Indonesia and one that I witness becoming more and more intolerant toward other minority religions here. The evil deeds that have been wreaked against minority Christian groups here recently by Islamic extremists, deserve to be denounced to the whole world.

    My 2 cents..... end of my response...
    01-11-11 03:31 AM
  12. BetawiBotak's Avatar
    I'm an Indonesian too but live in Holland. I think it will not be blocked =)
    01-11-11 10:00 AM
  13. Rootbrian's Avatar
    Highly unlikely. PORN is mostly accessed by a computer, as that is the most efficient way to access it. Who doesn't love that 'erotic action'

    PS. I don't like or watch porn, just speaking for the ones who do. Censorship FAILS!!!

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    01-11-11 10:47 AM
  14. Reed McLay's Avatar
    It may be the case, like KSA, pornography can include any contact between males and females not sanctioned by the Morality Police. BlackBerry Messenger thrives there, and in Indonesia.

    01-11-11 10:52 AM
  15. middbrew's Avatar
    we are not speaks about religion, we are talks the probability whether the decision will be choose or not.
    It very much can be a religious issue if a majority religious group controls the government and use their religious beliefs and ideologies to shape laws.

    I don't think the idea of blocking the porn is of great importance. It's denying someone the BB service they enjoy.
    01-11-11 12:23 PM
  16. Reed McLay's Avatar
    Tifatul Says BlackBerry Fight More Than Just About Porn | The Jakarta Globe

    On Tuesday, Machfud Siddiq, a legislator from Tifatul’s Prosperous Justice Party (PKS), said the campaign was more than just about blocking porn.

    He said the main purpose of the ultimatum was to highlight how RIM was “taking too much money from Indonesians without even paying any taxes here.”

    “The company brings no economic benefits to Indonesia, yet they take so much money from here,” he said.

    “And because the company is based in Canada, it pays taxes there, not here.”

    “So this isn’t just about Web filtering,” Machfud added. “It’s about justice in doing business. Indonesia shouldn’t be treated like a cash cow.”
    ...
    Another side of the story emerges. The real issue is money and jobs.
    01-12-11 02:52 PM
  17. Scrapegoat's Avatar
    Tifatul Says BlackBerry Fight More Than Just About Porn | The Jakarta Globe



    Another side of the story emerges. The real issue is money and jobs.
    Well why didn't the stupid mutt use this stance from the outset? Banning porn at the manufacturer level was flawed anyway, it's the carriers who throttle the internet content.... . How many other countries export goods to Indonesia without having any liability here? yeah sure, money goes out of country but the goods that people want are coming in..... So apply an import tax to the goods, same as they do with alcohol and the like..... Then the the fat cats who run this country can appropriate some more cash for themselves and get their " slice of the pie" Don't think this about money and benefits for Indonesian people... It's how about how much more money the fat cats can pocket for themselves 'the cost of doing business in Indonesia"

    BTW, I wrote this before I viewed the link, please read the link for some hilarious (and truthful) reaction to this spectacle. You will see by the feedback how highly esteemed this clown is held here in Indonesia and how my above sentiments are pretty much echoed by others.
    Last edited by Scrapegoat; 01-12-11 at 09:33 PM.
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    01-12-11 09:06 PM
  18. hakeem23's Avatar
    So from what I heard the BlackBerry Service will still be available except for some sites that will be filtered? something like that.
    01-15-11 12:43 PM
  19. arinegara's Avatar
    Sorry Guys, please exclude religion in this context, I'm sure for some people it is too sensitive. I'd rather take it from politics point of view.

    Anyway, this is the latest as reported in local media


    Indonesian Communication Minister Tifatul Sembiring said Monday that Research In Motion Ltd. (RIM) has until Jan. 21 to filter Internet content on its BlackBerry smartphones, or it risks losing Internet access altogether.

    “In our meeting, they've agreed to that. We'll see how things turn out on Jan. 21,“ Sembiring told reporters after meeting with the smartphone producer's representatives earlier in the day.
    01-17-11 08:44 PM
  20. Scrapegoat's Avatar
    Sorry Guys, please exclude religion in this context, I'm sure for some people it is too sensitive. I'd rather take it from politics point of view.
    You have your head buried deep in the sand if you don't understand that the 2 are 1 and the same here in Indonesia...... Religion IS politics and Politics IS religion.....
    01-17-11 10:22 PM
  21. Scrapegoat's Avatar
    Hooray, so now this fat, pompous, medal wearing git, Titifool, the pitiful, can swan around within his circle of religious zealots, bragging how he single-handedly dictated terms that give no thought to the freedom of others who do not share his religion. Such a truly democratic ideal....... As for the poster proclaiming that Muslims take Islam seriously, one must wonder that if they do, why is there a need to ban pornography, as surely their commitment and fervour would discipline them to not seek and view such unclean actions (and you cannot deny Islamic commitment and fervour can you?)..... Democracy in Indonesia? hahahahaha thats a joke. The power is still held by the same "fatcat generals" from previously, and nepotism will ensure that as the old commies die out, so their sons, or other "groomed" family members will "inherit" said positions.... This country has many years ahead of it before it "develops" into a true democracy....
    01-19-11 08:51 PM
  22. arinegara's Avatar
    Don't care what is going on between RIM and government.. and It is a good news that only porn is being blocked. at least i can still the device for something far more usefull than watching porn
    maybe our goverment afraid if we are too much watching porn, our population grow very fast??? hahaha....
    01-20-11 03:16 AM
  23. enrich2u's Avatar
    BlackBerry maker Research In Motion Ltd. said Thursday (Jan 20, 2011) it has started Internet filtering on its smartphones in Indonesia just ahead of a pending deadline, the first such move in any country.
    01-23-11 08:59 AM
  24. arinegara's Avatar
    BlackBerry maker Research In Motion Ltd. said Thursday (Jan 20, 2011) it has started Internet filtering on its smartphones in Indonesia just ahead of a pending deadline, the first such move in any country.
    True.. RIM definetely doesn't want to loose big markaet. I think the company has standrard number of user in each country to fulfill the needs of the government.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    01-23-11 09:31 AM
  25. the_sandman_454's Avatar
    Android devices are better for that purpose anyway since they have Flash and most have bigger screens. Not that anybody would know anything about that or anything...

    It does seem silly to claim one thing and then come back with another, but they're trying to gain the approval of their people.
    01-23-11 10:00 AM
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