[Bluenoser63]

My guess and that is what everything is at the moment is $399 - $449. Might be as much as $499.

[MarsupilamiX]

My guess and that is what everything is at the moment is $399 - $449. Might be as much as $499.

With those specs and their desperate need for marketshare?

I love it when a company dooms itself.

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[xxjavaxx2001]

The price should be $299 thats why blackberry will sell it at $399.

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[Bluenoser63]

With those specs and their desperate need for marketshare?

I love it when a company dooms itself.

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OK Mr. Doom and gloom. How long will you continue to say Blackberry is doomed? You shouldn't bother posting and spending your time on a product forum for a company that is doomed.

[Bluenoser63]

The price should be $299 thats why blackberry will sell it at $399.

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So would you want Blackberry to sell it making a couple of bucks or losing money?

[jon4400]

So would you want Blackberry to sell it making a couple of bucks or losing money?

Depends on BlackBerry's priority. If it's marketshare they are looking for or a profit. It's quite a thin line I suppose.
We'll see how it pans out.

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[Bluenoser63]

Depends on BlackBerry's priority. If it's marketshare they are looking for or a profit. It's quite a thin line I suppose.
We'll see how it pans out.

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You can all the marketshare in the world, but if you don't make money, you are dead in the water.

AND

You can have a small niche market and make money.

For a good example: Whatapp with 600 million users

WhatsApp made nearly $16 million in revenues during the first half of 2014, but it lost $232 million in the process, most of which came from stock-related expenses. Last year, it had $10.2 million in revenue, but lost another $138 million, also from stock-related expenses.

https://fortune.com/2014/10/28/whats...ion-last-year/

600 million users and 16 million in revenue means just 2.5% of the users pay for it.

Considering that the deal was worth 20+ billion, doesn't seem like good money for marketshare.

[benbraun322]

It might be 499$ with a 100$ rebate.

So carriers will probably sell it at 499$ unlocked (everyone is gonna scream that it's overpriced)

And Shop BlackBerry will sell it at 399$

At least let's hope so. If they sell it at 499$ it wouldn't make sense (passport pricing)

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Just curious why everyone thinks that it will be less than $499? I'd be very surprised if it less than $499.
It seems the lowest price for a free device.

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[MarsupilamiX]

OK Mr. Doom and gloom. How long will you continue to say Blackberry is doomed? You shouldn't bother posting and spending your time on a product forum for a company that is doomed.

Well, my company decided to upgrade their phone fleet, and there won't be even one BlackBerry on the list,so I'll probably have to move on, if I want to or not.

But you are probably mistaken. I never said that the company is definitely doomed.
I just highlights their incredibly intelligent choices, which accumulated have a greater EV of dooming the company, than saving it.

Ps:
Remember what I said about the Z30 and how it won't sell well?
I think that was pretty accurate, no?

Just curious why everyone thinks that it will be less than $499? I'd be very surprised if it less than $499.
It seems the lowest price for a free device.

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Because the specs are ridiculously low, having a keyboard is a negative differentiator and BlackBerry needs to actually sell those devices.

In those circumstances, not even a clueless exec who doesn't understand anything about the current market, should price it that high.

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[Bluenoser63]

Ps: Remember what I said about the Z30 and how it won't sell well? I think that was pretty accurate, no?
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Don't know. How many did they produce and how many did they sell? Do you actually know?

[alternator77]

Okay a few things to consider
1) this is not the old days of curves, and bolds
2)this is not a device that will be available on every carrier site/store
3) it is not meant as a general population device but rather for enterprise
4)when you consider the pricing of the passport it's logical to assume this will be properly priced...
5) and lastly were not talking about one device purchase here or there but bulk orders that will lower the price per unit for BlackBerry customers.

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[SunshineStateFlyer]

I think a corporate user who wants to use a BlackBerry Classic for the general assets of this phone is ready to pay for it.

If I have a company allowance for a new phone, I don't care what it costs, especially since there aren't many alternatives if you want a BlackBerry with a classic form factor.
Also if a company decides to get a bunch of Classics for distribution.

We saw how well the 9900s were running when they did the new production run. And they were well overpriced considered their specs.

[THBW]

Yes, 399 unlocked would be an ideal price. Approximately 40% cheaper than the passport and consistent with specs. Internally, BlackBerry could give fleet discounts on base to entice corporate customers. Seems about right and they could hold this pricing. At 499, people and business would balk.

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[MarsupilamiX]

Yes, 399 unlocked would be an ideal price. Approximately 40% cheaper than the passport and consistent with specs. Internally, BlackBerry could give fleet discounts on base to entice corporate customers. Seems about right and they could hold this pricing. At 499, people and business would balk.

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40% from the Passport price?
You calculate with the 699, right?

At 699, the PP is overpriced though :S
I agree however, that 500$ would be ridiculous. And I am very glad that you see it like that too.

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[Bluenoser63]

40% from the Passport price?
You calculate with the 699, right?

At 699, the PP is overpriced though :S
I agree however, that 500$ would be ridiculous. And I am very glad that you see it like that too.

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Yes. The PP is over priced. They are not selling a single one. LOL. One thing is consistent, everything that Blackberry releases, you will say it is over priced. I would love to see your spreadsheet on all costs to decide what Blackberry should price the phones at. Oh right. You don't have one. Making it up again are we.

[THBW]

40% from the Passport price?
You calculate with the 699, right?

At 699, the PP is overpriced though :S
I agree however, that 500$ would be ridiculous. And I am very glad that you see it like that too.

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Yup, generally agree although in retrospect I think passport price is solid. They can hold pricing and your getting way more device (hardware wise) compared to the iPhone 6. So if you want a more enterprises designed phone, the passport is a better value proposition than an iPhone, S5 or Note.

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[MarsupilamiX]

Yup, generally agree although in retrospect I think passport price is solid. They can hold pricing and your getting way more device (hardware wise) compared to the iPhone 6. So if you want a more enterprises designed phone, the passport is a better value proposition than an iPhone, S5 or Note.

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I don't want to destroy our new found harmony, so I'll give a differentiated answer.

It depends on what the enterprise buyer searches. If he needs a lot of standard business apps found in the app stores, or needs a lot of custom apps, said enterprise customer will get more value from an iOS/Android device (medical professionals being REALLY good examples for that).

If communication is the primary "issue" however and *some* spreadsheet work (lets be honest here... Who WANTS to do Excel related stuff on his phone over his PC), I fully agree with you that the Passport provides more value for the money.
I personally also like the trackpad on the keyboard. It's great for editing.
The thing that impressed me the most though, is that you can flick words on the keyboard. As someone who uses 3 different languages throughout a business day, that's pretty cool.

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[Kennedy.L]

It might be 499$ with a 100$ rebate.

So carriers will probably sell it at 499$ unlocked (everyone is gonna scream that it's overpriced)

And Shop BlackBerry will sell it at 399$

At least let's hope so. If they sell it at 499$ it wouldn't make sense (passport pricing)

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Passport was $599 is the US, $699 in Canada

[MarsupilamiX]

Yes. The PP is over priced. They are not selling a single one. LOL. One thing is consistent, everything that Blackberry releases, you will say it is over priced. I would love to see your spreadsheet on all costs to decide what Blackberry should price the phones at. Oh right. You don't have one. Making it up again are we.

I think that you still don't understand that it sadly doesn't work anymore, to price the devices like BlackBerry wants to.
They have to price them relative to the competition and the market.
Also, if you honestly believe that producing a smartphone is still THAT expensive (going by your comments you definitely have a wrong understanding on that part), you live under a rock.

And yes, at 700$ the PP is overpriced, but funnily enough, I have seen it priced at 600$ and slightly below, everywhere I looked in "developed" nations (No idea about outright carrier prices. Nobody should buy there anyhow).
Markets where all smartphones are more expensive, can obviously be ignored.

Don't know. How many did they produce and how many did they sell? Do you actually know?

Since the phone division still isn't profitable and BlackBerry still hasn't reached their 10M devices a year (I mean, the target is ridiculously low anyhow) they obviously haven't sold enough

Also, don't come with the "it only matters what BlackBerry defines as their own goals" line.
It's such an asinine thought, for a publicly traded company that competes on the marketplace with manufacturers who all sell more than 10M devices a quarter (not in a year, in a quarter).

So yeah, looking at the market, the competition, the epic price decline and the fact that BlackBerry still isn't profitable...
It's very easy to say that the Z30 sold badly.

Passport was $599 is the US, $699 in Canada

But the Canadian Dollar has a lesser value, no?

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[Mayor McCheese]

It comes out in the X-Mas season, that is mostly a consumer's buyers fest, and those won't even want to come near to the Classic.

Spec wise, the Classic is a phone out of 2011, so yes, even 400$ is too much.

If you compare the Classic to any other phone of the market, 400$ is a terrible amount, when it comes down to the Value for $ ratio.

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I think what you're missing here is that the target for classic phones (mainly bbos and enterprise) does not care about meaningless specs as long as the phone runs smoothly and just plain works.

The classic is a very unique phone with a special group of target consumers in mind. This is not part of the android spec race and if shouldn't be.

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[THBW]

I don't want to destroy our new found harmony, so I'll give a differentiated answer.

It depends on what the enterprise buyer searches. If he needs a lot of standard business apps found in the app stores, or needs a lot of custom apps, said enterprise customer will get more value from an iOS/Android device (medical professionals being REALLY good examples for that).

If communication is the primary "issue" however and *some* spreadsheet work (lets be honest here... Who WANTS to do Excel related stuff on his phone over his PC), I fully agree with you that the Passport provides more value for the money.
I personally also like the trackpad on the keyboard. It's great for editing.
The thing that impressed me the most though, is that you can flick words on the keyboard. As someone who uses 3 different languages throughout a business day, that's pretty cool.

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I do work on occasion with large structured medical environments, I can tell you that iPhones are of little value. Privacy issues prevents almost all patient information from being transmitted and this is a big problem. Phones are used primarily as communication devices. There are some interesting 3rd party services that clinicians do use, mainly outside a hospital setting, but owning a blackberry does not preclude you from using them.

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[Bluenoser63]

So yeah, looking at the market, the competition, the epic price decline and the fact that BlackBerry still isn't profitable...
It's very easy to say that the Z30 sold badly.
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So what were Z30 sales? How many are they sitting on that they have to write down? You like to say that sales of the Z30 were bad, but you don't have a single metric to give us.

[bobshine]

400$ is still overpriced.
The Classic is a 300$ device, and I am generous there, when you look at the competition in the 300$ segment.
In the 400$ bracket, the device is just totally uncompetitive.
And if BlackBerry actually wants to sell it for 500$, I'd say that the are on crack.

Anyhow, I personally think that even a price of 400$ would DOA the device.



Maybe against their own product line but BlackBerry doesn't exist in a vaccuum.

400$ is too much compared with the competition.
400$ nearly buys you last year's Android flagship.



Does the same apply when it's a pro BlackBerry "article" on SA?
If yes, you finally impressed me in a positive way.



I think we are talking "real" dollars here, and not the Canadian or Australian "Dollar"

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You cannot compare it to competition... cause the Classic isn't marketed toward the competition but more for the hardcore BBOS users. That's why it should be priced at $399



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[MarsupilamiX]

I think what you're missing here is that the target for classic phones (mainly bbos and enterprise) does not care about meaningless specs as long as the phone runs smoothly and just plain works.

The classic is a very unique phone with a special group of target consumers in mind. This is not part of the android spec race and if shouldn't be.

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If you really think that buyers, no matter in what segment, don't care about value for the money, you sadly misunderstood something.

If you think that only Android partakes in the spec race, you utterly misinformed.

iPhone 6 is spec leading in terms of CPU, on par in terms of GPU and only the RAM is subpar.

The current WP flagships ALL play the spec race as well.

And now the best part: BlackBerry is part of the spec race as well. Ever looked at the Passport?
That thing is horribly close to Android flagship specs, don't you think?
Or is that suddenly something else because...

So yeah, specs matter and specs dictate the price, if you aren't Apple.
Specs also segment the market from low to high-end.
Spec wise the Classic is a low-end phone, so no matter what the execs at the BlackBerry HQ smoke, it will NEVER command a price of 500$, and shouldn't even cost 400.

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[MarsupilamiX]

I do work on occasion with large structured medical environments, I can tell you that iPhones are of little value. Privacy issues prevents almost all patient information from being transmitted and this is a big problem. Phones are used primarily as communication devices. There are some interesting 3rd party services that clinicians do use, mainly outside a hospital setting, but owning a blackberry does not preclude you from using them.

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There are a very big number of apps specialised in the medical field, which just aren't available on BlackBerry.

But if you work with those guys...
You should know that the vast majority uses iOS products.
Why do they use them then?

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