1. abwan11's Avatar
    QNX is developing infotainment systems, such as the QNX CAR 2 platform, which is very impressive, looks completed, and doesn't seem to gain any attention from anyone. Regardless, I would imagine that the car 2 platform development team would be considerably smaller then that of BB10 OS, and yet it looks complete, (as shown in some demo videos recently). The car 2 system looks like it's evolved from the porsche demo earlier in the year, and there doesn't seem to be an issue getting this done. BB10 on the other hand, seems to be as elusive as sasquatch, and shows up here and there with snippets of truth and lies and "nothing to see here folks".

    Look at some of the videos were they demo the car systems, everyone is smiling, confident and happy to show what they have accomplished and rightfully so. The OS seems snappy, well thought out and is lacking nothing imo. Then head over to anything related to BB10, and things start to look sketchy. It appears to be knight and day between these two divisions. It's as if QNX is the sane one, and BB10 is the crazy uncle who live out back in the shed.
    09-08-12 05:13 PM
  2. grahamf's Avatar
    Wait until January.
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    09-08-12 05:19 PM
  3. dbmalloy's Avatar
    Not understanding your issue.... RIM has already showed finished hardware and beta software to the Carriers which means testing in the upcoming months.... As making an entertainment system for a car is quite different from a smartphone.... the complexities are night and day.... if your issue is lack of information... all RIM is doing is taking a leaf from a really successful company called Apple.... You do not see any specs on anything they release til lauch day...... otherwise there is no hype....
    09-08-12 05:26 PM
  4. BigwhiteUK's Avatar
    Arent they 2 distinct companies? Although RIM owns QNX, the company they bought it from develops its own systems
    09-08-12 05:31 PM
  5. abwan11's Avatar
    Not understanding your issue.... RIM has already showed finished hardware and beta software to the Carriers which means testing in the upcoming months.... As making an entertainment system for a car is quite different from a smartphone.... the complexities are night and day.... if your issue is lack of information... all RIM is doing is taking a leaf from a really successful company called Apple.... You do not see any specs on anything they release til lauch day...... otherwise there is no hype....
    Rim buys QNX, and within a year or less the playbook is completed, I believe it was shown to the media, by Mike Laz in December 2010. Fairly quick considering what was involved from zero. I know it was incomplete when launched, seems more rims part of the puzzle was missing, and not QNXs. Just speculating. I have heard that the RIM/QNX relationship has resulted in a sort of reverse takeover. QNX seems to me has their sh*t together an rims doesn't. Again, it just a guess.

    It's good to know that there are people "getting things done", I'm just not sure who they are.
    Last edited by abwan11; 09-22-12 at 11:34 PM.
    09-08-12 06:16 PM
  6. mikeo007's Avatar
    Please understand...QNX is the core of the BB10 OS. It is the kernel. The only part of BB10 that QNX is directly responsible for is the core.
    They've also got TAT along with a slew of programmers working on BB10, and their work is much more intensive.

    A full mobile operating system is also far more complex that an in-car entertainment system.
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    09-08-12 06:25 PM
  7. kill_9's Avatar
    It's good to know that there are people "getting things done", I'm just not sure who they are.
    Answer me this riddle...

    The company to which you allude has a three-letter acronym, but when the letters are arranged in reverse order to reveal the name of the most famous of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics' space endeavours you get not the correct answer to your implied query.
    09-08-12 06:26 PM
  8. abwan11's Avatar
    Answer me this riddle...

    The company to which you allude has a three-letter acronym, but when the letters are arranged in reverse order to reveal the name of the most famous of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics' space endeavours you get not the correct answer to your implied query.
    Good one...so you mean it's a endless loop?
    09-08-12 06:38 PM
  9. hootyhoo's Avatar
    Arent they 2 distinct companies? Although RIM owns QNX, the company they bought it from develops its own systems
    Yes. Harman International is developing the car system. When they sold QNX to RIM, they retained the rights to use the technology in their entertainment system projects.
    09-08-12 06:41 PM
  10. cynicalreader's Avatar
    Yes. Harman International is developing the car system. When they sold QNX to RIM, they retained the rights to use the technology in their entertainment system projects.
    Correct me if I am wrong, but although Harman retained the rights to use the technology, the technology continues to be developed by QNX, no?

    QNX CAR Application Platform
    09-08-12 07:10 PM
  11. kill_9's Avatar
    Good one...so you mean it's a endless loop?
    No, but your answer made me laugh as it is apropos. It reminds me of the shortest programme for the 6502 and 8086 that never ends.

    _start:
    NOP
    JMP _start

    Actually there is a shorter never-ending programme for the 8086 but I cannot recall the memory location to which the JMP instruction needs to point; I discovered this many years ago when the Intel 8086/8088 were considered powerful microprocessors. But for the sake of an example, let's pretend the memory address is 123.

    _start:
    JMP 123

    However, rather than reveal the correct answer I will allow others to participate. Remember sometimes a riddle presumes some knowledge not explicitly stated in the riddle. Mathematical proofs are an example where such implied knowledge is not always explicitly stated.
    Last edited by BB9700CA; 09-08-12 at 07:16 PM.
    09-08-12 07:12 PM
  12. hootyhoo's Avatar
    Correct me if I am wrong, but although Harman retained the rights to use the technology, the technology continues to be developed by QNX, no?

    QNX CAR Application Platform
    Good question. I'll have to dig around to see if I can find out if RIM is actually involved in the development of these systems or if they just came with the package.
    09-08-12 07:19 PM
  13. GTiLeo's Avatar
    Please understand...QNX is the core of the BB10 OS. It is the kernel. The only part of BB10 that QNX is directly responsible for is the core.
    They've also got TAT along with a slew of programmers working on BB10, and their work is much more intensive.

    A full mobile operating system is also far more complex that an in-car entertainment system.
    Since I'm on your ignore list you're not going to see this but QNX is not just responsible for the kernel the whole OS is QNX. They are coding and integrating the whole thing. Dan Dodge is over seeing the whole opperation.
    09-08-12 08:05 PM
  14. greatwiseone's Avatar
    One of the issues of BB10 is that it's being developed by all sorts of different companies previously acquired by RIM. We have QNX for the core OS, TAT for the UI, Gist for contacts, BBM, and social, Torch for browser, etc.

    So it is kinda hard for people to get a sense as to where BB10 is. Based on the media reactions to the recent showings though, it seems RIM does have a BB10 version that's running OK. Hopefully we'll see some real concrete stuff at Jam Americas.
    09-08-12 09:38 PM
  15. travaz's Avatar
    I am not a software expert but it seems that it would be easier to develp for a single purpose system. IE car system as opposed to a multi carrier phone system
    09-08-12 11:24 PM
  16. Elwe Feanorfin's Avatar
    Answer me this riddle...

    The company to which you allude has a three-letter acronym, but when the letters are arranged in reverse order to reveal the name of the most famous of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics' space endeavours you get not the correct answer to your implied query.
    The Russian space station, MIR.
    09-08-12 11:40 PM
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