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  1. TheScionicMan's Avatar
    You're wrong.

    I'm not even gonna continue this. You don't know anything about how Corporate Machines (Wire or Wireless) work.

    I can take my Work Laptop home and still have access to all the corporate assets if I'm on my home WiFi connection. It's not hard to implement and it's a pretty trivial functionality in today's "connected world."

    The playbook will have BES functionality.

    It just won't have an SD slot, unlike their phones.

    01-07-11 12:48 PM
  2. dutchtender's Avatar
    the PB has no internal storage? no 16b internal flash memory? no slot for memory? this can't possibly be true? can it?
    01-07-11 12:55 PM
  3. belfastdispatcher's Avatar
    No matter how many questions you ask, you're still going to be wrong.

    But good luck in the future trying to correct people without even bothering to check the website/spec sheet for the product. The Co-CEO of RIM also stated in person (in an interview) that the Playbook will be BES-capable.
    Well then, explain to me why Mike made a point explaining how the playbook is secure as it doesn't save the email attachment data but it temporarily caches it to be viewed and so the data never leaves the safe bes environment. If it was bes capable by itself surely it would be safe enough to store them.

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    01-07-11 01:02 PM
  4. TheScionicMan's Avatar
    the PB has no internal storage? no 16b internal flash memory? no slot for memory? this can't possibly be true? can it?
    16GB, 32GB, or 64GB options. You have commented so much and you don't even know the most basic info?

    RIF.ORG
    01-07-11 01:03 PM
  5. TheScionicMan's Avatar
    If its BES-capable, please tell that to the peeps saying it's crippled because you have to have a BB to get email/calendar etc...
    01-07-11 01:14 PM
  6. avt123's Avatar
    If its BES-capable, please tell that to the peeps saying it's crippled because you have to have a BB to get email/calendar etc...
    So what. BES still only includes BB users. People are saying it is "crippled" (I really wouldn't even use that word) because you need a BB/BES or whatever BB service to use the native calendar app, email app and whatever (at least this is my understanding based on what everyone has been discussing and on a BGR post). That means the native apps are only useful to BB users. So say I don't own a BB, but want a PlayBook, I have to use my email providers website or wait for a third party app to be developed. All other tablets offer out of the box email and calendar apps for ALL users. That's why some people are upset. That is not general consumer friendly, this is BB user friendly. Not that it is hard to open a website and get your email from there, it is just odd RIM would do this. Why not just add support for both? It is not a hard concept.

    RIM is prejudice! lol jk
    Last edited by avt123; 01-07-11 at 01:28 PM.
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    01-07-11 01:25 PM
  7. grncherry1's Avatar
    Depends on what your requirements (and apparently what kind of phone you use?) if it's better or worse.

    The biggest thing about the Playbook back when it was "leaked" was the specs, but that has been all but equalized given how the other tablets are looking. Of course, there was some curiosity surrounding the OS because it's QNX and all.

    But apart from that, I don't see any specific advantages - outside of the fact that it will be the only Tablet that can access Blackberry Enterprise Server.

    But the others will have decent Exchange Support, more Apps, same (and soon, probably better) hardware, probably better battery life, and less restrictions...

    Plus they will ship out the gate with 3G/4G access, which is a factorable differentiator.
    That is the way I'm seeing things too. The PB started out pretty good but after this CES and all that has been brought to the table, the PB has lost a whole lot of it's appeal. It doesn't even compete anymore. The hardware is the same, or worse, and we all know RIM's track record with software updates( new OS or not). They just didn't do it........again. And that's too bad. Some people will bite though and I guess that is a good thing for them. I don't think I will be one though.
    01-07-11 01:25 PM
  8. iPaladin27's Avatar
    or just look at it this way.

    Google bought android and thats whats put them where they are today

    RIM bought QNX and that might put them where they want to be
    Google actually developed Android propietarily.
    01-07-11 01:37 PM
  9. belfastdispatcher's Avatar
    Google actually developed Android propietarily.
    In short, no.

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    01-07-11 01:38 PM
  10. belfastdispatcher's Avatar
    If its BES-capable, please tell that to the peeps saying it's crippled because you have to have a BB to get email/calendar etc...
    He he, thanks, this kinda proves my point N8ter, don't you think? An apology would be nice.

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    01-07-11 01:41 PM
  11. iPaladin27's Avatar
    This is just getting ridiculous. When people share a negative comment about RIM they are immediately labeled a troll? And then I read that you're a Moderator? Communist forum right here... I agree with him. RIM is beginning to lose value, it hasn't released any outstanding phones for quite some time, and many people are switching from their BlackBerry. I'm not trolling, I'm just stating facts.
    Please understand the meaning of words like "Communist" before bandying them about so cavalierly.
    01-07-11 01:49 PM
  12. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Well then, explain to me why Mike made a point explaining how the playbook is secure as it doesn't save the email attachment data but it temporarily caches it to be viewed and so the data never leaves the safe bes environment. If it was bes capable by itself surely it would be safe enough to store them.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    Outlook only Caches Exchange data as well.

    I don't see what your point is supposed to be. I really don't.
    Last edited by N8ter; 01-07-11 at 01:56 PM.
    01-07-11 01:50 PM
  13. n8ter#AC's Avatar
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    Cool story, bro. I see you've added quite a bit of info to the discussion!
    01-07-11 01:55 PM
  14. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    He he, thanks, this kinda proves my point N8ter, don't you think? An apology would be nice.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    You're not getting anything from me.

    That has nothing to do with what we discussed.

    You're still wrong and maybe you should apologize for basically calling me a liar without looking for yourself and seeing that I quoted both M.L. and the Spec Sheet/Web Site exactly.

    Being BES capable still cripples the device because it locks it into RIM's services. It's still useless to busineses who run with Exchange without BES on top of it.

    Being BES capable means it will not require a BB smartphone to access you BES assets.

    Without BES capabilities the device will not be able to be controlled by policies when NOT tethered, which would make it anything but secure. If the device is lost or stolen, the second it's out of range the tether will break - leaving everything on the device (which can include confidential documents and such) completely unregulated.

    You people act like the only secure information is the stuff in BES. BES isn't a full enterprise stack like Exchange+SharePoint+OCS+etc.

    The Playbook is BES-capable. Both RIM and Common Sense says so. If it wasn't, it would be dead-in-the-water for corporate use, and a waste of resources to develop.

    Being able to tether a BB and get to the stuff on it is a very nice convenience feature, and it can allow people with BES for work and a personal blackberry to still enjoy the advantages of a large screen for their personal stuff. That is, if consumers actually use Blackberries (p.s. Sarcasm) and would buy this.

    It's similar to how Microsoft had ActiveSync + Outlook Mobile in Windows Mobile for businesses and then released Windows Live for Windows Mobile for Push Hotmail/IM/Contacts for consumers. A business user wouldn't use WL4WM, but Consumers didn't use ActiveSync, either (back then - Hotmail has ActiveSync, now).

    I think what this thread, and many others, display is just how bad RIM failed at marketting for this product. How can something be so close to release, yet so many people know so little about it. Most people don't like to wait for the purchase to find out if a device has basic features and/or functionalities.
    Last edited by N8ter; 01-07-11 at 02:11 PM.
    01-07-11 02:02 PM
  15. iPaladin27's Avatar
    In short, no.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    In fact, yes. Do some research. Android, INC. was a startup out of California before Google bought the whole company and then proceeded to develop the Android operating system in house with some help from a group called the Open Handset Alliance. So...as Google owns Android, Inc. and they worked for three years to develop the OS prior to its release...they would by definition have developed it.
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    01-07-11 02:15 PM
  16. belfastdispatcher's Avatar
    You're not getting anything from me.

    That has nothing to do with what we discussed.

    You're still wrong and maybe you should apologize for basically calling me a liar without looking for yourself and seeing that I quoted both M.L. and the Spec Sheet/Web Site exactly.

    Being BES capable still cripples the device because it locks it into RIM's services. It's still useless to busineses who run with Exchange without BES on top of it.

    Being BES capable means it will not require a BB smartphone to access you BES assets.

    Without BES capabilities the device will not be able to be controlled by policies when NOT tethered, which would make it anything but secure. If the device is lost or stolen, the second it's out of range the tether will break - leaving everything on the device (which can include confidential documents and such) completely unregulated.

    You people act like the only secure information is the stuff in BES. BES isn't a full enterprise stack like Exchange+SharePoint+OCS+etc.

    The Playbook is BES-capable. Both RIM and Common Sense says so. If it wasn't, it would be dead-in-the-water for corporate use, and a waste of resources to develop.

    Being able to tether a BB and get to the stuff on it is a very nice convenience feature, and it can allow people with BES for work and a personal blackberry to still enjoy the advantages of a large screen for their personal stuff. That is, if consumers actually use Blackberries (p.s. Sarcasm) and would buy this.

    It's similar to how Microsoft had ActiveSync + Outlook Mobile in Windows Mobile for businesses and then released Windows Live for Windows Mobile for Push Hotmail/IM/Contacts for consumers. A business user wouldn't use WL4WM, but Consumers didn't use ActiveSync, either (back then - Hotmail has ActiveSync, now).

    I think what this thread, and many others, display is just how bad RIM failed at marketting for this product. How can something be so close to release, yet so many people know so little about it. Most people don't like to wait for the purchase to find out if a device has basic features and/or functionalities.
    Blah blah, you don't get it, without a bes blackberry the playbook is not bes capable, it's the pairing with the blackberry that gives it the capability, and it makes perfect sense.

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    01-07-11 02:22 PM
  17. belfastdispatcher's Avatar
    In fact, yes. Do some research. Android, INC. was a startup out of California before Google bought the whole company and then proceeded to develop the Android operating system in house with some help from a group called the Open Handset Alliance. So...as Google owns Android, Inc. and they worked for three years to develop the OS prior to its release...they would by definition have developed it.
    But you just said it, Google bought Android, what do you think they bought it for?

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    01-07-11 02:25 PM
  18. iPaladin27's Avatar
    But you just said it, Google bought Android, what do you think they bought it for?

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    ...I really can't believe I'm the second person calling you out on not doing research before talking but Android, Inc. before it made the Android operating system made applications and games for mobile platforms. Google acquired them as part of a merger and then they used the idea for an open source operating system based on the Linux kernel to make the Android OS.
    01-07-11 03:14 PM
  19. theruined's Avatar
    Blah blah, you don't get it, without a bes blackberry the playbook is not bes capable, it's the pairing with the blackberry that gives it the capability, and it makes perfect sense.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    If you knew how BES worked you would say it needed to be tethered, lol...BES is a standalone distribution system and administration platform. It cannot be transferred from device to device, it must be pushed by a central server...

    ...I really can't believe I'm the second person calling you out on not doing research before talking but Android, Inc. before it made the Android operating system made applications and games for mobile platforms. Google acquired them as part of a merger and then they used the idea for an open source operating system based on the Linux kernel to make the Android OS.
    All he said was what do you think they bought it for...he's right, they bought in order to break into the mobile world...

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    01-07-11 03:21 PM
  20. belfastdispatcher's Avatar
    ...I really can't believe I'm the second person calling you out on not doing research before talking but Android, Inc. before it made the Android operating system made applications and games for mobile platforms. Google acquired them as part of a merger and then they used the idea for an open source operating system based on the Linux kernel to make the Android OS.
    Soooo, google buys a company called Android specialists in mobile software and then they build an operating system called Android. But they didn't buy it no, you're right. Ooookay

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    01-07-11 03:40 PM
  21. Omegamania's Avatar
    Doesn't it just frost you Blackberry users (of which I was one) to see ALL those cool smartphones and the Iphone coming to Verizon and all the cool things you can do with ios and android and all you get is another new iteration of the Pearl and Curve? Do you guys really tolerate such mediocrity? If so, I can imagine the smiles on your plumbers and electricians faces when they do a half-*** job and you just take it. You must be easy people to please. I like those people. Underpromise and underdeliver. Keeps Blackberry users happy so hey I'm happy.
    01-07-11 04:46 PM
  22. 1812dave's Avatar
    Doesn't it just frost you Blackberry users (of which I was one) to see ALL those cool smartphones and the Iphone coming to Verizon and all the cool things you can do with ios and android and all you get is another new iteration of the Pearl and Curve? Do you guys really tolerate such mediocrity? If so, I can imagine the smiles on your plumbers and electricians faces when they do a half-*** job and you just take it. You must be easy people to please. I like those people. Underpromise and underdeliver. Keeps Blackberry users happy so hey I'm happy.
    Being a troll seems to make you happy. Your comments are designed to inflame and insult. Tacky, my man--tacky. You get no "pass" simply because you once owned a BB. You are still out of line.
    01-07-11 04:48 PM
  23. avt123's Avatar
    Doesn't it just frost you Blackberry users (of which I was one) to see ALL those cool smartphones and the Iphone coming to Verizon and all the cool things you can do with ios and android and all you get is another new iteration of the Pearl and Curve? Do you guys really tolerate such mediocrity? If so, I can imagine the smiles on your plumbers and electricians faces when they do a half-*** job and you just take it. You must be easy people to please. I like those people. Underpromise and underdeliver. Keeps Blackberry users happy so hey I'm happy.
    Certain people are happy with what they have. The ones who aren't have already left or are planning on it. If you are going to throw out insults, insult the devices, not the people who use them.
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    01-07-11 05:15 PM
  24. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    Doesn't it just frost you Blackberry users (of which I was one) to see ALL those cool smartphones and the Iphone coming to Verizon and all the cool things you can do with ios and android and all you get is another new iteration of the Pearl and Curve? Do you guys really tolerate such mediocrity? If so, I can imagine the smiles on your plumbers and electricians faces when they do a half-*** job and you just take it. You must be easy people to please. I like those people. Underpromise and underdeliver. Keeps Blackberry users happy so hey I'm happy.
    I am certainly happy with my device. I get a productive device with support for certain extensions without the need for a laptop (read my signature for one example: BlackBerry Presenter), and that makes me easy to please? Hardly, I won't consider Android, nor Win Phone because they don't have that functionality. I also have a vendetta against Apple iPhone and being locked down to Steve Jobs iTunes App Store. I dislike iTunes, much prefer WinAmp myself. Stop making drastic, uncouth, and blatently incorrect generalisations.
    01-07-11 06:38 PM
  25. Jaguarr40's Avatar
    There is a political component is that decision. Our government has taken the position that certain Companies are critical to Canada future.

    Takeover bid have been rejected for several high profile companies including the company that created the Canada Arm for the International Space Station.

    More recently, our large fertilizer manufacture was the target of a foreign acquisition. Our government decided that was not in our strategic interests and blocked the bid.

    A takeover of Research in Motion would face the scrutiny and likely be refused.
    Reed since I have been on the forum here I have followed certain forum mods as well as high established people who constantly comment here but more important they make sense and know what they are talking about and one of course is yourself... Having said this for a reason because with all due respect you have to understand that RIM and Canada which I visit often and love is not the only place Rim has chosen to sell their phones. They are sold globally and while my Tour has been flawless since day one going on 2 years and an upgrade I wanted another BB that blew me away that I had to have. I darn got use to this sucker and it is easy to use but lets face it... With Apple and their iphone with approx. 28% of the Smartphone market, RIm with about 26% an Android close behind at 25% all these stats from PC World today People like us that come here want the newest and most exciting device that will do more than what BB right now is capable of doing.

    I am not kicking RIM or BB but I am as well as many others on here thinking of jumping ship but don't want to.

    I just feel that RIM owes it to it Market share to become more aggressive with coming out with more devices on a more timely manner.

    Reading about CES today on Android Central that have been so many new Androids introduced especially for VZW and their new 4G LTE network and coming out soon I cannot wait until my upgrade in March to see what my best choice is. Sorry I got carried away here but just needed to get this out and knew you would understand.
    01-07-11 06:44 PM
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