RIM is pretty much a finished company after CES
- You're wrong.
I'm not even gonna continue this. You don't know anything about how Corporate Machines (Wire or Wireless) work.
I can take my Work Laptop home and still have access to all the corporate assets if I'm on my home WiFi connection. It's not hard to implement and it's a pretty trivial functionality in today's "connected world."
The playbook will have BES functionality.
It just won't have an SD slot, unlike their phones.
01-07-11 11:48 AMLike 0 - the PB has no internal storage? no 16b internal flash memory? no slot for memory? this can't possibly be true? can it?01-07-11 11:55 AMLike 0
- No matter how many questions you ask, you're still going to be wrong.
But good luck in the future trying to correct people without even bothering to check the website/spec sheet for the product. The Co-CEO of RIM also stated in person (in an interview) that the Playbook will be BES-capable.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com01-07-11 12:02 PMLike 0 -
- If its BES-capable, please tell that to the peeps saying it's crippled because you have to have a BB to get email/calendar etc...01-07-11 12:14 PMLike 0
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RIM is prejudice! lol jkLast edited by avt123; 01-07-11 at 12:28 PM.
howarmat likes this.01-07-11 12:25 PMLike 1 - Depends on what your requirements (and apparently what kind of phone you use?) if it's better or worse.
The biggest thing about the Playbook back when it was "leaked" was the specs, but that has been all but equalized given how the other tablets are looking. Of course, there was some curiosity surrounding the OS because it's QNX and all.
But apart from that, I don't see any specific advantages - outside of the fact that it will be the only Tablet that can access Blackberry Enterprise Server.
But the others will have decent Exchange Support, more Apps, same (and soon, probably better) hardware, probably better battery life, and less restrictions...
Plus they will ship out the gate with 3G/4G access, which is a factorable differentiator.01-07-11 12:25 PMLike 0 -
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Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com01-07-11 12:41 PMLike 0 - This is just getting ridiculous. When people share a negative comment about RIM they are immediately labeled a troll? And then I read that you're a Moderator? Communist forum right here... I agree with him. RIM is beginning to lose value, it hasn't released any outstanding phones for quite some time, and many people are switching from their BlackBerry. I'm not trolling, I'm just stating facts.01-07-11 12:49 PMLike 0
- Well then, explain to me why Mike made a point explaining how the playbook is secure as it doesn't save the email attachment data but it temporarily caches it to be viewed and so the data never leaves the safe bes environment. If it was bes capable by itself surely it would be safe enough to store them.
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I don't see what your point is supposed to be. I really don't.Last edited by N8ter; 01-07-11 at 12:56 PM.
01-07-11 12:50 PMLike 0 - Cool story, bro. I see you've added quite a bit of info to the discussion!Reed McLay and JoelTruckerDude like this.01-07-11 12:55 PMLike 2
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That has nothing to do with what we discussed.
You're still wrong and maybe you should apologize for basically calling me a liar without looking for yourself and seeing that I quoted both M.L. and the Spec Sheet/Web Site exactly.
Being BES capable still cripples the device because it locks it into RIM's services. It's still useless to busineses who run with Exchange without BES on top of it.
Being BES capable means it will not require a BB smartphone to access you BES assets.
Without BES capabilities the device will not be able to be controlled by policies when NOT tethered, which would make it anything but secure. If the device is lost or stolen, the second it's out of range the tether will break - leaving everything on the device (which can include confidential documents and such) completely unregulated.
You people act like the only secure information is the stuff in BES. BES isn't a full enterprise stack like Exchange+SharePoint+OCS+etc.
The Playbook is BES-capable. Both RIM and Common Sense says so. If it wasn't, it would be dead-in-the-water for corporate use, and a waste of resources to develop.
Being able to tether a BB and get to the stuff on it is a very nice convenience feature, and it can allow people with BES for work and a personal blackberry to still enjoy the advantages of a large screen for their personal stuff. That is, if consumers actually use Blackberries (p.s. Sarcasm) and would buy this.
It's similar to how Microsoft had ActiveSync + Outlook Mobile in Windows Mobile for businesses and then released Windows Live for Windows Mobile for Push Hotmail/IM/Contacts for consumers. A business user wouldn't use WL4WM, but Consumers didn't use ActiveSync, either (back then - Hotmail has ActiveSync, now).
I think what this thread, and many others, display is just how bad RIM failed at marketting for this product. How can something be so close to release, yet so many people know so little about it. Most people don't like to wait for the purchase to find out if a device has basic features and/or functionalities.Last edited by N8ter; 01-07-11 at 01:11 PM.
01-07-11 01:02 PMLike 0 - In fact, yes. Do some research. Android, INC. was a startup out of California before Google bought the whole company and then proceeded to develop the Android operating system in house with some help from a group called the Open Handset Alliance. So...as Google owns Android, Inc. and they worked for three years to develop the OS prior to its release...they would by definition have developed it.JoelTruckerDude likes this.01-07-11 01:15 PMLike 1
- You're not getting anything from me.
That has nothing to do with what we discussed.
You're still wrong and maybe you should apologize for basically calling me a liar without looking for yourself and seeing that I quoted both M.L. and the Spec Sheet/Web Site exactly.
Being BES capable still cripples the device because it locks it into RIM's services. It's still useless to busineses who run with Exchange without BES on top of it.
Being BES capable means it will not require a BB smartphone to access you BES assets.
Without BES capabilities the device will not be able to be controlled by policies when NOT tethered, which would make it anything but secure. If the device is lost or stolen, the second it's out of range the tether will break - leaving everything on the device (which can include confidential documents and such) completely unregulated.
You people act like the only secure information is the stuff in BES. BES isn't a full enterprise stack like Exchange+SharePoint+OCS+etc.
The Playbook is BES-capable. Both RIM and Common Sense says so. If it wasn't, it would be dead-in-the-water for corporate use, and a waste of resources to develop.
Being able to tether a BB and get to the stuff on it is a very nice convenience feature, and it can allow people with BES for work and a personal blackberry to still enjoy the advantages of a large screen for their personal stuff. That is, if consumers actually use Blackberries (p.s. Sarcasm) and would buy this.
It's similar to how Microsoft had ActiveSync + Outlook Mobile in Windows Mobile for businesses and then released Windows Live for Windows Mobile for Push Hotmail/IM/Contacts for consumers. A business user wouldn't use WL4WM, but Consumers didn't use ActiveSync, either (back then - Hotmail has ActiveSync, now).
I think what this thread, and many others, display is just how bad RIM failed at marketting for this product. How can something be so close to release, yet so many people know so little about it. Most people don't like to wait for the purchase to find out if a device has basic features and/or functionalities.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com01-07-11 01:22 PMLike 0 - In fact, yes. Do some research. Android, INC. was a startup out of California before Google bought the whole company and then proceeded to develop the Android operating system in house with some help from a group called the Open Handset Alliance. So...as Google owns Android, Inc. and they worked for three years to develop the OS prior to its release...they would by definition have developed it.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com01-07-11 01:25 PMLike 0 - ...I really can't believe I'm the second person calling you out on not doing research before talking but Android, Inc. before it made the Android operating system made applications and games for mobile platforms. Google acquired them as part of a merger and then they used the idea for an open source operating system based on the Linux kernel to make the Android OS.01-07-11 02:14 PMLike 0
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...I really can't believe I'm the second person calling you out on not doing research before talking but Android, Inc. before it made the Android operating system made applications and games for mobile platforms. Google acquired them as part of a merger and then they used the idea for an open source operating system based on the Linux kernel to make the Android OS.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com01-07-11 02:21 PMLike 0 - ...I really can't believe I'm the second person calling you out on not doing research before talking but Android, Inc. before it made the Android operating system made applications and games for mobile platforms. Google acquired them as part of a merger and then they used the idea for an open source operating system based on the Linux kernel to make the Android OS.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com01-07-11 02:40 PMLike 0 - Doesn't it just frost you Blackberry users (of which I was one) to see ALL those cool smartphones and the Iphone coming to Verizon and all the cool things you can do with ios and android and all you get is another new iteration of the Pearl and Curve? Do you guys really tolerate such mediocrity? If so, I can imagine the smiles on your plumbers and electricians faces when they do a half-*** job and you just take it. You must be easy people to please. I like those people. Underpromise and underdeliver. Keeps Blackberry users happy so hey I'm happy.01-07-11 03:46 PMLike 0
- Doesn't it just frost you Blackberry users (of which I was one) to see ALL those cool smartphones and the Iphone coming to Verizon and all the cool things you can do with ios and android and all you get is another new iteration of the Pearl and Curve? Do you guys really tolerate such mediocrity? If so, I can imagine the smiles on your plumbers and electricians faces when they do a half-*** job and you just take it. You must be easy people to please. I like those people. Underpromise and underdeliver. Keeps Blackberry users happy so hey I'm happy.01-07-11 03:48 PMLike 0
- avt123O.G.Doesn't it just frost you Blackberry users (of which I was one) to see ALL those cool smartphones and the Iphone coming to Verizon and all the cool things you can do with ios and android and all you get is another new iteration of the Pearl and Curve? Do you guys really tolerate such mediocrity? If so, I can imagine the smiles on your plumbers and electricians faces when they do a half-*** job and you just take it. You must be easy people to please. I like those people. Underpromise and underdeliver. Keeps Blackberry users happy so hey I'm happy.amazinglygraceless likes this.01-07-11 04:15 PMLike 1
- Doesn't it just frost you Blackberry users (of which I was one) to see ALL those cool smartphones and the Iphone coming to Verizon and all the cool things you can do with ios and android and all you get is another new iteration of the Pearl and Curve? Do you guys really tolerate such mediocrity? If so, I can imagine the smiles on your plumbers and electricians faces when they do a half-*** job and you just take it. You must be easy people to please. I like those people. Underpromise and underdeliver. Keeps Blackberry users happy so hey I'm happy.01-07-11 05:38 PMLike 0
- There is a political component is that decision. Our government has taken the position that certain Companies are critical to Canada future.
Takeover bid have been rejected for several high profile companies including the company that created the Canada Arm for the International Space Station.
More recently, our large fertilizer manufacture was the target of a foreign acquisition. Our government decided that was not in our strategic interests and blocked the bid.
A takeover of Research in Motion would face the scrutiny and likely be refused.
I am not kicking RIM or BB but I am as well as many others on here thinking of jumping ship but don't want to.
I just feel that RIM owes it to it Market share to become more aggressive with coming out with more devices on a more timely manner.
Reading about CES today on Android Central that have been so many new Androids introduced especially for VZW and their new 4G LTE network and coming out soon I cannot wait until my upgrade in March to see what my best choice is. Sorry I got carried away here but just needed to get this out and knew you would understand.01-07-11 05:44 PMLike 0
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