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OP I agree with you.
Ultimately for me, the created the Bold 9930 and the Playbook. So all else is forgiven. Not forgotten, I think we should learn from our mistakes but RIM has done quite a bit to show they care about their clients.
When Mike L. got in front of the whole world and said "we let you down. We are going work hard at earning your trust by giving you a hundred bucks in free apps and working to ensure this does not happen again" I truly believed him. He was a thousand times more honorable than someone else that said "if you are not happy with your phone, then bring it back. Other devices do this as well but we are so great we are going to give you a five dollar bumper because we care."
By the way, RIM is having some problems integrating the technologies. However, it is due to security. I don't want RIM to let go of this. If it takes more time then get it right and put it out when it is ready. I say this may seem like they are fumbling but it is a very good call.
Some of the criticism should be aimed at RIM but some of it is anti-competitive behavior. Honestly, the PB could run Hulu, Netflix, and Agry Birds from day one. However, these apps never came. Why? Well, let me just say that is not RIM's fault.
I stand with RIM because I believe in Mike and hey, they did make the Bold 9930. I would crawl over broken glass before I use another device.
Go BlackBerry!
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11-22-11 12:39 PM - I have never liked a device or company enough to crawl over broken glass to stay with them. OMG you qualify as a true fanboy after making that statement. LOLOP I agree with you.
I stand with RIM because I believe in Mike and hey, they did make the Bold 9930. I would crawl over broken glass before I use another device.
Go BlackBerry!
I understand staying loyal to products, platforms, brands, etc but to a point. Heck I would qualify myself as somewhat loyal to RIM given I still hope they do some good stuff and lure me back. I still come here out of some appreciation for their additions to the market their strengths, but they have fallen short in my view.
They have done some good stuff in the last 6 months. The 9930, OS7, 9850, baseline QNX PB OS, etc. They just have to accelerate and replicate those good things to regain the mind share. They also need to market them well, and gain more developer support.11-22-11 12:56 PM -
Ok... back onto topic.
Even if they do hit their current targets and timelines it will not mean much without the hype and marketing to attract those who are not ardent fanboy/girls of any platform.
RIM's transition sure has been painful and they're only now starting to get back in the right direction. But there are some bright spots on the horizon. Hopefully, they've done enough bloodletting to ensure they have a solid foundation to build up from and do well what they once did.
Marketing is a big hole that RIM has to fill in conjunction with punctual releases. Otherwise they will never do right in the Media's and consumers eyes.11-22-11 01:49 PM - You're right. I must have been thinking of when it was first "announced". That was around this time last year, wasn't it? And they still couldn't get PIM features before the actual launch. And this was a product originally envisioned for the corporate user. Only later at launch did they try to push it for consumers - making a big deal about Flash capability. They obviously saw corporate interest disappear if there was no native email (BB Bridge not withstanding).What? A whole year?
The PlayBook was released in April, its only been 7 Months.
Yes it totally sucks that we still have to wait for PIM features, but even if it comes in Feb like RIM said, it still won't be a year. LOL
Understand that I'm staying mostly on the sidelines. I have my Torch 9800 and I'm quite happy with it. My wife has an iPhone and she is happy with it. I just happen to prefer my Torch.
My only personal frustration with RIM is in how they handled the OS "upgradeability" situation - or lack thereof - with existing, and still relatively new, devices.
I was excited this past spring when we all saw some screenshots posted by RIM that showed some UI changes to expect in what was supposed to be a coming update. It specifically dealt with issues users had been complaining about ever since the introduction of OS 6 - the panels, or trays, that were fixed and un-customizable. This was obviously directed at existing OS 6 users who came to believe that this would soon come to us. No "nfc", no "compass", no "liquid graphics", nothing else talked about that would lead anyone to think that this was going to be anything but an easy tweak to the existing user interface. If that was all they did and released it as 6.1 at that time, I would have been happy.
But, no. Instead, they had to go and start dumping all that other stuff into it that required new hardware to work, they renamed 6.1 to 7, and said that existing phones can't have it.
I'd be happy if RIM released an OS 6.0.1.xxxx (there are TWO point places between the main version number and build number, after all) that had just that UI change that we've all wanted for so long - oh, and update the icons too.
Don't say "try a theme". I already have a theme that is stock, but uses the OS 7 icons. And I like it. But no one can seem to make a trayless/panelless theme that still has the up and down sliding homescreen capability. All the ones without the trays just end up like OS 5, which I don't want.
Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com11-22-11 03:15 PM - Well there are many of RIM sucks comments. It was quite bad here for a while, so much so that Kevin started a sticky titled " Cleaning up the forums and taking out the trolling trash".
And yes you personally haven't said anything bad or over the top about BB and if you notice the responses to you have been generally favourable barring a few.
Carrying forward my Iran Analogy, if one was to behave politely and respectfully in Iran, then even an American would be asked out for a cup of coffee by the locals.
I guess politeness begets politeness.11-22-11 04:51 PM - while this is true it will go along way with current owners. Think of how bad it will be if February rolls around with no OS 2 or one still lacking major features. Any credibility they have left with the current owners will pretty much be shot at that point.
Ok... back onto topic.
Even if they do hit their current targets and timelines it will not mean much without the hype and marketing to attract those who are not ardent fanboy/girls of any platform.
RIM's transition sure has been painful and they're only now starting to get back in the right direction. But there are some bright spots on the horizon. Hopefully, they've done enough bloodletting to ensure they have a solid foundation to build up from and do well what they once did.
Marketing is a big hole that RIM has to fill in conjunction with punctual releases. Otherwise they will never do right in the Media's and consumers eyes.
At this point RIM needs to build up the confidence in its current owners almost more so than attract more outsiders.
You have the PB which has been a comedy of "promises" that have led to nothing being delivered to BBX phones that were hinted at being available end of this year that are now going to be quarter 3 next year earliest. Just once needs to surprise with something ahead of schedule showing that they are serious and are trying hard to turn the boat around.11-22-11 05:38 PM - seems like everyone who doesn't visit crackberry(not including the playbook thread) would agree news papers, websites, lately everyone is hating on rim
Definitely, it's a full-on assault
I kind of looks like there are forces trying to destroy RIM because 'some people' want 2 or three companies to control everything...RIM is the best company for a brighter future for all of us (Ex. they gave the 'people' BB Messenger for free
...and some sleaze-bags don't like that) 11-22-11 06:27 PM - So you think it is ok for BB users to just bash people, but it is not ok for BB users to get bashed?You forgot Cr-Apple and Cr-App Store
It is my BB opinion that in a BB thread we should be able to say such wonderful things
It's thought-"provoking"...
What kind of logic is that?
There should be no bashing, period. The fact that you think it is "wonderful" to use those words and do know they are provocative indicates that you like trolling.11-22-11 07:35 PM
