Ousted Samsung Design Boss: This Is Why We Make Our Phones Out Of Plastic
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Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk05-10-14 05:14 PMLike 0 - Quality != premium. As a fresh example in the news, Beats audio is considered premium, but not quality (hardware, not consumer view of brand) .spikesolie likes this.05-10-14 07:07 PMLike 1
- OmnitechDragon SlayerI always figured Samsung used plastic externals for mostly weight reasons, and perhaps somewhat less so for cost reasons.
Whereas I always felt that Apple has in its later history been very obsessed with design and style, so they built things that when you first take it out of the box - if it's the kind of thing you notice - you are taken by its unique, jewelry-like quality.
Just like with many other Apple products over the years - cracked glass on smartphones, lack of expandability on computers and so on - practical concerns often take a backseat to these style/fashion sorts of things. This is part of targeting the particular demographic that they target. And they have been very effective at this. People will pay a lot more for the Lexus than the Camry even though the main internal parts are the same, based on how you finish it, market it, and support it.
Ironically, as a smaller competitor, BlackBerry really should be doing the same thing - targeting a certain type of customer that is less cost-conscious and instead emphasizing their unique value-add -because they can't compete head-to-head with a giant vertically-integrated company like Samsung on price-per-hardware-feature.spikesolie and clickitykeys like this.05-10-14 07:22 PMLike 2 - I always figured Samsung used plastic externals for mostly weight reasons, and perhaps somewhat less so for cost reasons.
Whereas I always felt that Apple has in its later history been very obsessed with design and style, so they built things that when you first take it out of the box - if it's the kind of thing you notice - you are taken by its unique, jewelry-like quality.
Just like with many other Apple products over the years - cracked glass on smartphones, lack of expandability on computers and so on - practical concerns often take a backseat to these style/fashion sorts of things. This is part of targeting the particular demographic that they target. And they have been very effective at this. People will pay a lot more for the Lexus than the Camry even though the main internal parts are the same, based on how you finish it, market it, and support it.
Ironically, as a smaller competitor, BlackBerry really should be doing the same thing - targeting a certain type of customer that is less cost-conscious and instead emphasizing their unique value-add -because they can't compete head-to-head with a giant vertically-integrated company like Samsung on price-per-hardware-feature.05-10-14 07:48 PMLike 0 - For all the talk of Samsung's "plastic phones", I think many here have never seen or held one. The S3 and the S4 are built on a big slab of magnesium (that's metal, folks), with, yes, a plastic removable backplate and a plastic interior cover over the internal components.
How much metal is used in the Z30? In the Q5? In the Z3? Does it really matter?
Apple gets a lot of press for it's "premium materials", yet I'm able to run a business repairing computers, tablets, and smartphones, and my most common repair is replacing the glass on iPhones, especially the 4 and 4s models, which have glass on both sides. A shattered iPhone doesn't seem very "premium" to me, but what do I know?reeneebob likes this.05-10-14 10:17 PMLike 1 -
Z10 STL100-1/10.2.1.214105-10-14 10:18 PMLike 0 - I will always have a hate-on for Apple. Back when the iPod nano came out, I signed up for a 3 year plan with Telus DSL, with a value of $360 on the ipod.
The first day I was using it, I was lying on the couch with the ipod on my chest and was listening to music. After a while, I shifted a bit and the ipod fell off my belly and onto the tile floor, which is no more than 36" drop. The screen was NFG.
This was also during a period when Apple had a KNOWN issue with bad screens, but my serial number wasn't in there known bad serial number list, and they wouldn't repair it.
So I drop $100 on a new screen, only to permanently damage it when trying to reattach the ribbon cable (for which only a 10 year old's hand could fit) because the ribbon cable latch broke (cheap piece of plastic with no metal arms or retention). So I'm out all this money, for literally less than 30 minutes of use. Being stuck with telus contract paying above better pricing I should have had for 3 years, really burned me on any Apple stuff.
My Z10 currently doesn't have any case. I've dropped that onto carpeted floor from 5' at least 10 times, and on hard floor (cement with linoleum) from about 5' at least 3 times. There has been at least 2 times where I absolutely cannot believe it survived without getting damaged based on how hard it fell or the material it hit.
My brother's family is Apple. They have at least 2 broken screen Apple's out of like 5 iphones, and my bro successfully repaired one of his Samsung's. I don't recall the circumstances, but he was surprised his screen broke at the time and didn't think it should have so easily.05-10-14 10:22 PMLike 0 - iPhones are a lot more durable than people make it sound... Guys, all phone screens are made of glass... Yes, there are different types of glass and some may be more durable than others, but they're ALL glass and they will all be easily broken if you tried. It's unreasonable to say 'all iPhone I've seen have cracked screens but I've never seen a cracked BB10 device'. Could you give one reason to justify this? Where is the logic?
I can't even think of one, especially since I'm guessing the iPhone uses a higher quality glass compared to the Z10 for example. The iPhone screen is also protected by a metal casing while the sides of the screen on the Z10 are protected by a thin sheet of either glass or plastic. Also take into account that iPhone 5/5s are far lighter than any BB10 device.
I'm not saying that BB10 devices are more fragile than iPhones, I just want to stop this exaggeration. It annoys me.
Posted via CB10blee4 likes this.05-10-14 10:46 PMLike 1 - For all the talk of Samsung's "plastic phones", I think many here have never seen or held one. The S3 and the S4 are built on a big slab of magnesium (that's metal, folks), with, yes, a plastic removable backplate and a plastic interior cover over the internal components.
How much metal is used in the Z30? In the Q5? In the Z3? Does it really matter?
Apple gets a lot of press for it's "premium materials", yet I'm able to run a business repairing computers, tablets, and smartphones, and my most common repair is replacing the glass on iPhones, especially the 4 and 4s models, which have glass on both sides. A shattered iPhone doesn't seem very "premium" to me, but what do I know?
to be honest aluminum is a better choice of materials to use then magnesium, its a better thermal conductor. aluminum is more stable and is stronger. aluminum is cheaper, frankly the only thing magnesium has over aluminum is its slightly lighter, as a structural material its worse in every way.
and just an FYI the unibody of the Z10 and other BlackBerrys are aluminum, maybe you should take one apart and see whats inside05-11-14 12:31 AMLike 0 - have you ever asked yourself why magnesium is used?
to be honest aluminum is a better choice of materials to use then magnesium, its a better thermal conductor. aluminum is more stable and is stronger. aluminum is cheaper, frankly the only thing magnesium has over aluminum is its slightly lighter, as a structural material its worse in every way.
and just an FYI the unibody of the Z10 and other BlackBerrys are aluminum, maybe you should take one apart and see whats inside
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Posted via CB1005-11-14 09:27 AMLike 0 - I actually prefer the build quality of the Z10 over any phone out there today. While the iPhone 5 and 5S are no doubt built lovely they can be a little slippery to hold, which is why I put a clear skin over the whole phone to give it some grip as I hate using cases. I also really don't like the HTC M8 build after using it for a while. The original build of the M7 to me was pretty much perfect and allowed a much better grip on the phone and wasn't so top heavy like the M8 is. The Note 3 also has a great build as well but overall I really like the Z10 build and if the stupid battery was a little better I'd choose it over the Z30 any day of the week.blee4 likes this.05-11-14 10:05 AMLike 1
- iPhones are a lot more durable than people make it sound... Guys, all phone screens are made of glass... Yes, there are different types of glass and some may be more durable than others, but they're ALL glass and they will all be easily broken if you tried. It's unreasonable to say 'all iPhone I've seen have cracked screens but I've never seen a cracked BB10 device'. Could you give one reason to justify this? Where is the logic?
I can't even think of one, especially since I'm guessing the iPhone uses a higher quality glass compared to the Z10 for example. The iPhone screen is also protected by a metal casing while the sides of the screen on the Z10 are protected by a thin sheet of either glass or plastic. Also take into account that iPhone 5/5s are far lighter than any BB10 device.
I'm not saying that BB10 devices are more fragile than iPhones, I just want to stop this exaggeration. It annoys me.
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Zee coolest flicking smartphone ever05-11-14 02:47 PMLike 0 - Here's what happens when you drop an Q10, and it lands face down... As you may have guessed the results are exactly the same as an iPhone that lands face down. I think we can all agree now that because the glass screen on a Blackberry device shatters just like any other mobile devices when dropped face down that glass regardless of what devices it's used on behaves the same way when dropped.05-12-14 06:20 AMLike 0
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So no, I do not take 100% responsibility for that. This is one of those "you had to be there" to show me proper sympathy :P05-12-14 08:14 PMLike 0 - Here's what happens when you drop an Q10, and it lands face down... As you may have guessed the results are exactly the same as an iPhone that lands face down. I think we can all agree now that because the glass screen on a Blackberry device shatters just like any other mobile devices when dropped face down that glass regardless of what devices it's used on behaves the same way when dropped.
Even the same glass in different devices are not the same as they do not have the same frame. They may or may not have the same distance from the glass to the edge of the frame.spikesolie likes this.05-12-14 08:20 PMLike 1 - I love the plasticy feel of the z10 and previous BlackBerry models, they feel good in your hands and are build like tanks. This past weekend, while in a drunken stupor (copyrights to mayor fordsy) my buddy said something about blackberries and how they're cheap and crappy, so I decided to prove to him that they're tough devices. Lobbed my z10, naked (the phone not me) across the room and onto the tiled floor. NOT A SINGLE SCRATCH!! Talk about a tough phone
Posted via CB1005-12-14 10:03 PMLike 0 - One of the things I hate about the iPhone is the sharp edges and rigidness. It doesn't sit well in the hand, at least for me. It feels the same as holding a brick.
The thing with plastic is that it can feel both cheap or sturdy depending on the type used.
Like what's already been stated, most people put their phones in rugged cases and the materials used are no longer an issue. Most people buy a phone they're used to - people that have bought into the Galaxy line will continue to do so until some major change happens, and so on with other makes and models. Even if someone is a little irked about a cheap feel, the fact they have a new version of their favorite phone kicks in and overwhelms.
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