Obama White House/Executive Branch moving AWAY from Blackberry
- I don't know what they do in the government, but giving them an iPhone or Android is indirectly permitting people to play games and what not with their phones. If you were the owner of a company, is that something that you would endorse? Besides, the BB has the best battery life among the three and a super fast recharge time, helping people stay connected [to their jobs] longer.10-14-11 10:03 AMLike 3
- I don't know what they do in the government, but giving them an iPhone or Android is indirectly permitting people to play games and what not with their phones. If you were the owner of a company, is that something that you would endorse? Besides, the BB has the best battery life among the three and a super fast recharge time, helping people stay connected [to their jobs] longer.Rickroller likes this.10-14-11 10:07 AMLike 1
- Although I'd agree that security is what BB has used to gain leverage, it's not why I think that it remains a business stronghold. It's the straightforward ease of use in terms of messaging and communicating, battery life, and the ability to impose specific limits. While I'm sure the gov't will stop people from playing Angry Birds, they're gonna have a much harder battle making the messaging apps as streamlined and the battery life what it is on a BB.
Those are the reasons I stay with BB and I think businesses will continue to stay with them because of those too.
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Feds won't ditch BlackBerry over jam - David Saleh Rauf - POLITICO.com10-14-11 10:59 AMLike 0 - I spend much of my day reading news and this is a typical case that basically says the BlackBerry is safer. The government is looking into an android tablet and has asked universities to come up with one. Still not there. android, has security holes, that is why they are trying to fix it.
The Playbook is the only one that has been approved by the military to access networks. I think BlackBerry is going to win this fight on security. Why would we endanger our soldiers to experiment with something that may work if we already have something that works and has a track record we can count on? Also, the 7" tablet fits in a cargo pocket.
The government may go for various and redundant services but the BlackBerry is already there as the leader.
Nothing in this article is convincing. Bloomberg reported that the iPad was going to get certification for military use last month. It has not happened. I think it would be foolish to have a 10" tablet issued to military personnel that they can't drop in their cargo pocket.
I'm optimistic on RIM's chances here.10-14-11 11:09 AMLike 0 - Tre LawrenceBetween RealitiesI spend much of my day reading news and this is a typical case that basically says the BlackBerry is safer. The government is looking into an android tablet and has asked universities to come up with one. Still not there. android, has security holes, that is why they are trying to fix it.
The Playbook is the only one that has been approved by the military to access networks. I think BlackBerry is going to win this fight on security. Why would we endanger our soldiers to experiment with something that may work if we already have something that works and has a track record we can count on? Also, the 7" tablet fits in a cargo pocket.
The government may go for various and redundant services but the BlackBerry is already there as the leader.
Nothing in this article is convincing. Bloomberg reported that the iPad was going to get certification for military use last month. It has not happened. I think it would be foolish to have a 10" tablet issued to military personnel that they can't drop in their cargo pocket.
I'm optimistic on RIM's chances here.
If this FIPS certs go through for iOS and Android, RIM's stronghold may be breached. Again, RIM can't sell things the old fashioned way/ Apple and Google are selling them things they are used to, things they seemingly prefer as consumers.joski likes this.10-14-11 12:52 PMLike 1 - The point being though..that the Government is seeking another alternative to Blackberry. If the PB is already certified, why bother trying to go another route? Perhaps they don't want to be tied down to BIS/BES servers. Perhaps other reasons. Regardless of the reasons..they've sought (or are seeking) other alternatives..for whatever reason. This alone doesn't bode well for RIM imo.10-14-11 12:59 PMLike 0
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- Thanks for posting. Very interesting. I do think it's interesting how this ties in with BB's repuation as a secure communication platform. Poor Obama if he loses his BB. Know he was addicted during the campaign but he's probably had to relinquish his hold as Pres.10-14-11 01:17 PMLike 0
- The battery life argument doesn't really fly anymore. The Bold 9900/9930 doesn't have particularly good battery life, certainly not to the level of previous devices. In today's day and age, when people have chargers in the office, car, etc., battery life just isn't an issue for most people buying smartphones. The shortsighted focus on "security" and "battery life" is what got RIM into the mess they are in today.
I have never heard someone defend the lack of battery life like you have just done. I hope to everything there is to hope to, that BlackBerry continues to keep battery life as a focus because in my life I can not just hope there will be a wall for me to stand next to everyday for an hour or so. My day is always changing and a low battery just scares me, even though I have a spare.10-14-11 01:32 PMLike 0 -
If I recollect correctly RIM and the government produced a "super secure" Blackberry for the Mr. Obama after being elected, which to my mind makes this whole thing all the more curious. I mean, if they can make a BB that is secure enough for presidential communication...why the need for even more security or any change at all?Has there been a vulnerability discovered that led to this decision not to go with Blackberry? As someone on the outside it seems very strange. Maybe as someone said earlier it simply is the government wanting to control the whole chain. Would love to be a fly on the wall and know Mr. Obama's feelings on this given his love for BB devices.10-14-11 01:38 PMLike 0 - Few thoughts...this is *going* for FIPS certification. It's not there quite yet. Bad idea to assume an outcome, especially with security.
A military spec'd Android device will not be the same as your Droid. Bulkier, stripped of fluff, and *hopefully* due to adequate hardening completely resistant to rooting. So all the fun things people do with their Android devices will not be possible. The same device you play Angry Birds on won't be the one going into the field.
The cost of turning over to Android will be prohibitive. There's got to be a reason, advantageous to the government.
Lastly....this is *very* surprising, to learn that Android is being considered. iOS is much further along. I always thought iOS would go before Android.
Many projects are sandboxed. Many of them. Mil specs on an Android developed for the field does not equate to consumers bringing their devices to work. Rooted Android devices with IT policies removed and the whole thing is scrapped.
But then again, this is not a done deal yet. Surprises can and do occur.10-14-11 01:42 PMLike 0 - Tre LawrenceBetween RealitiesNo problem.
If I recollect correctly RIM and the government produced a "super secure" Blackberry for the Mr. Obama after being elected, which to my mind makes this whole thing all the more curious. I mean, if they can make a BB that is secure enough for presidential communication...why the need for even more security or any change at all?Has there been a vulnerability discovered that led to this decision not to go with Blackberry? As someone on the outside it seems very strange. Maybe as someone said earlier it simply is the government wanting to control the whole chain. Would love to be a fly on the wall and know Mr. Obama's feelings on this given his love for BB devices.
If he didn't want the change, it wouldn't happen. He already uses an iPad.
One thing I have always wondered: does his BB go through RIM servers like everyone else's? I know he is less reliant on a personal device, but I was curious.10-14-11 01:44 PMLike 0 -
Nothing at all against Canadians or RIM here . It just didn't really surprise me to see this post and sort of seemed like it was probably a logical, eventual development that would have come around sooner or later -- either from pressure by Apple or Google to buy American. And then maybe RIM's ongoing image problems + the recent RIM outages were the final straw as the government pondered RIM's future viability as a business and a service provider and so started making plans to proactively transition its communication systems from BB to something else. So it looks like Google might have the advantage at this point.10-14-11 03:03 PMLike 0 - BTW, rather than "buy American" or "secure Kernels" or anything else, maybe it was as simple as someone on the White House staff reading this utterly "objective" CNN article today and decided the US Govt should switch to Droids.
Why Android and iPhone won't go down like BlackBerry - CNN.com10-14-11 03:14 PMLike 0 - Please let's not make this a political issue, it is against forum rules, besides, The National Security Agency, FBI and the US military disagree with you and agree with The White House. In their opinion, staying with Blackberry is the actual security risk, particularly given their future plans of deploying smart phones on the battlefield.
How can you expect this not to be political when what goes on in the White House has everything to do with politics?
I worked in military electronics in the 80's, know what a security clearance is all about, (I had a secret clearance) and the lack of security since those days is appalling. Using android is just another example. A lot more Commercial Off The Shelf (COTS) equipment and software being used instead of highly secure stuff built specialized from the ground up, because of budget constraints..
Didn't we just get viruses on the drone control computers?Last edited by blackjack93117; 10-14-11 at 03:35 PM.
10-14-11 03:29 PMLike 0 - Not intended to be political, it's my honest opinion of what is going on in the government.
But agreed, let's not make it political.
I worked in military electronics in the 80's, know what a security clearance is all about, (I had a secret clearance) and the lack of security since those days is appalling. Using android is just another example. A lot more Commercial Off The Shelf (COTS) equipment and software being used instead of highly secure stuff built specialized from the ground up, because of budget constraints..
Didn't we just get viruses on the drone control computers?
I will say this: congress should be using it's power of oversight to make sure the other branches of government are not sacrificing security for budgetary reasons. Even in this climate of cutting spending(which I agree with), security is not an area that should be subject to cuts. The world is becoming more dangerous than ever and information needs to be secure. IF BB can be more secure that Android, it's what they should be using. If they do choose Android I suppose we have to trust(I know, a tall order) that they know what they're doing.
As to your question about his BB I have no idea either and would like to know as well, just out of curiosity.Last edited by Marine One; 10-14-11 at 03:48 PM.
10-14-11 03:43 PMLike 0 - Obama says presidential BlackBerry ownership is 'no fun,' should've gone with the Sectera Edge -- Engadget
A small article about the President's phone.10-14-11 05:33 PMLike 0 - Thanks to everyone for 4 (so far) pages of good solid discussion with no flaming or name calling...this article and the subsequent discussion here was a very good, interesting read. As someone who uses both Android and BlackBerry I'm always interested in good solid reads like this.
Thanks to everyone who has chimed in so far.Air Force One likes this.10-14-11 07:03 PMLike 1 - Obama says presidential BlackBerry ownership is 'no fun,' should've gone with the Sectera Edge -- Engadget
A small article about the President's phone.10-14-11 09:40 PMLike 0 - Exactly the point - could have been COTS drives that may have even been manufactured in another country, or even intercepted prior to being sent to the drone computers manufacturer or even the supplier.10-14-11 09:50 PMLike 0
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