[qnxqnx]

Open source QNX again, and get it onto Galaxy S2 - this will save RIM some hardware engineering costs, with RIM Java VM and Android VM running, RIM users get an unique experiences.

Future hardware platforms margins will be diminishing, get out of the hardware design and manufacturing business, RIM will never have better hardware margins than Samsung or Apple.

BES represents over 50% of RIM's profits currently...

[_StephenBB81]

Open source QNX again, and get it onto Galaxy S2 - this will save RIM some hardware engineering costs, with RIM Java VM and Android VM running, RIM users get an unique experiences.

Future hardware platforms margins will be diminishing, get out of the hardware design and manufacturing business, RIM will never have better hardware margins than Samsung or Apple.

BES represents over 50% of RIM's profits currently...

??? WTF?? where do you get your numbers from?

and REALLY you think Samsung's Margins on smartphones are that high? Apple YES because they have a direct to consumer distribution channel in addition to the regular retail channels,

[qnxqnx]

I meant services (which in my mind is mostly BES/BIS related) revenue is over 50% of reported revenues, not profits (stand corrected)

But the point is RIM has missed and failed in delivering industry leading/competitive all Touch devices.

With the power of QNX why slow the deployment and expansion of eco system down by waiting for new dual/tri/quad cores touch screen hardware platform. Get QNX out there on Android hardware platforms either via open source or selected manufacturing partners.

RIM's ODM/contract manufacturers will never win again the likes of Samsung and Apple, and RIM will never be able to catch up on the touch screen only hardware. It is an arms race, RIM is wise not to play in the past (preserve the margins until now) but the competitive pressure is forcing RIM to get into the arms race, that is why the leading analysts are predicting a continuing erosion on margins.

BBM, QNX/TAT, Augumented Realtiy, NFC based commerce/apps are all software value-adds that will distinguish RIM, and continue to provide support for margins.

And for the die hard and enterprise security conscious apps, the Bold Touch, Torch II and lower end Bold Touch can all delivery satisfactory hardware margins.

Time to push for a rebirth of the all-touch experiences at RIM, As Jim said "the form factor of a Playbook that you can hold next to your ears is not the hardest thing in the world to do..." but WHEN can RIM deliver one?! looking at the Samsung Galaxy S2, is there any reason that QNX can not run on it and shine much better than Android??? or WP7???

Everyone will have a dual core phones heading into Q4/Christmas seasons, RIM stands to be marginalized if no mini-playbook solutions is coming to the phone lineup soon...

[lnichols]

You do realize that new RIM phones coming out soon have the same processor/GPU as the most recent high end Android devices like the Thunderbolt right? Why would RIM sell QNX to Samsung, or give it away to them, to put on a phone when they've shown with the playbook that they made an awesome all touch device? Better yet why would Samsung pay for QNX when Android is free. OpenSource will just equal OpenHoles for the ecosystem with people and foreign governments combing through the code trying to find ways to break into BES.

When they get the security certifications required in the Playbook to allow it to connect to BES, then they can put that in a smaller device and go. Until then the Playbook is laying all the R&D for QNX phones and I'm pretty sure that RIM can put out an Android looking slab running the new OS themselves.

[qnxqnx]

Because by moving QNX beyond RIM only hardware platform, it will speed and accelerate the rate of apps eco-system expansions and adoptions.

Android was a Google acquisitions, the QNX/TAT is team is just as, if not far more talented than the Android team. Leverage future BING location based services with RIM's own ads, augmented realty and other apps. I can see a strong challenger to the Google non-profit Android endeavors.

Give QNX another path of growth, do not lock yourself into a not invented here mentality. Think outside the box.

Market windows are closing, if RIM does not stay relevant, it will never have the mind shares of the developers and consumers == marginalized.

Disrupted force comes from unexpected twist of competitive strategies.