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  1. Dapper37's Avatar
    Its been understood for a long time now the the mainstreem media has had it out for RIM, for a long time. How it is that it gets to go on for so long unchecked is beyond me.
    Todays article in Bloomberg RIM seen as to late with email to compete with apple is just another example of the medias attemt to debrand RIM. Forever repeating the old drum beat of their precieved negatives. Never talking of the new software services from RIM and what they can do.
    So when they have the ear of the world, but they back their home team with an invisable campain I call the "perseption attack", against RIM, what can be done.
    If the mainstreem media does this everyday, why just get mad at techcrunch?
    Last edited by Dapper37; 01-11-12 at 04:10 AM.
    01-11-12 04:06 AM
  2. recompile's Avatar
    Still, the question is why? Why does the media hate RIM, no matter what they do?

    The PlayBook native email we've seen is pretty neat and innovative. I guess it shows when it comes to communication, RIM is hard to meet and has yet to be beat.

    Of course, that's not negative at all. So the media spins this as "It doesn't matter how good it is, they're late to the game so Apple is the greatest ever!"

    Ridiculous.
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    01-11-12 04:19 AM
  3. graxyq's Avatar
    True, I have seen news articles where if its something positive about the tech world which includes Blackberry, RIM is mentioned last. If its something negative, RIM gets mentioned first. I know I am reading the news through my BB goggles

    Read Reuters, last 2 days they talk only about Apples Siri at CES and so on and they are not even officialy part of CES as I understand. I downloaded the Reuters app for PLaybook and I am still waiting authorization from these guys - 2 days waiting
    01-11-12 07:10 AM
  4. ichat's Avatar
    They really love to talk crap sometimes. The media takes a favorite and keeps writing crap about competitors. I don't like that by what can we all do?

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    01-11-12 07:18 AM
  5. diegonei's Avatar
    They really love to talk crap sometimes. The media takes a favorite and keeps writing crap about competitors. I don't like that by what can we all do?

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    Stop visiting their sites is a good start...
    01-11-12 07:52 AM
  6. diegonei's Avatar
    Look at the amount of money spent on marketing by Apple versus RIM. The bulk of that money goes to media companies. You think positive news can't be bought? Apple expects a good return on the money they give to media companies.
    RIM has plans to spend at large on marketing this year. Let's hope they can get a few GOOD companies and HALF the bashers to turn coat.
    01-11-12 07:54 AM
  7. diegonei's Avatar
    And as a final comment. Did you see what happened at BerryReview? The amount of bash in the coments is record. All because Ron had it with TechCrunch's unprofessional, drunk, RIM bashing at CES.

    In vino veritas indeed... In beer veritas in their case (just watch the last minute of the video).
    01-11-12 07:56 AM
  8. brucep1's Avatar
    I'm really getting sick of people making excuses. Marketing, media bias, etc.

    The ultimate responsibility for this whole disaster lies with RIM. Blame whoever else you want, but RIM is the number 1 culprit for this fiasco.

    No excuses, they dropped the ball.
    01-11-12 08:13 AM
  9. Sith_Apprentice's Avatar
    brucep1 you are partially correct. With stories like the TechCrunch one, you can only blame RIM's missteps so far. That was clearly a ridiculous "report" and they are not the only ones to do so. Has RIM made mistakes? Absolutely. Do they deserve to be treated with that level of incompetence? No they do not.
    01-11-12 08:18 AM
  10. TgeekB's Avatar
    The media likes to jump on the bandwagon to what is fashionable at the time. This os2.0 email/calendar/contacts and other updates look really nice and it will take Playbook owners stating their likes about it to get them to change. RIM needs to get some marketing out this year showing everyone what it can do. Then see the media change their tune.
    01-11-12 08:26 AM
  11. Dapper37's Avatar
    Look at the amount of money spent on marketing by Apple versus RIM. The bulk of that money goes to media companies. You think positive news can't be bought? Apple expects a good return on the money they give to media companies.
    Thank you...
    01-11-12 08:27 AM
  12. Angelo_Campher's Avatar
    I wouldn't call it debranding and RIM is to blame for all this negative press and nothing short of a new release (featuring all the goodies) and a rebranding of the tablet is going to stop this. The name PlayBook will forever be tarnished... With all this mail and PIM goodies and hopefully updated PDF and doc editing now is a good time to call it WorkBook or BizBook

    It doesn't help that RIM continue to struggle with the NOC distributing content to multiple devices. The native email now runs activesync with corporations having to deploy BlackBerry Fusion for encryption, and this software works on multiple platforms so I don't see how this will help RIM going forward...

    Would it be possible for a cloud to collect data from the NOC and distribute it to the devices which have been setup within the cloud? BlackBerry services as we know it is dying and RIM just have to make what they are known for work on multiple devices before they can move forward as their BIS/BES is what sets them apart from the competition. Take that away and I see no benefit of getting a BlackBerry over an iPhone or Android.
    01-11-12 08:37 AM
  13. Dapper37's Avatar
    The thing that makes the "perception attack" so effective is, the powers behind them understand that the vast majority of consumers would rather just move on. Rather than to have to stay and fight the negative perception.
    The media started with RIM as soon as iphone was anounced and the pile on has just got worse sense. So much so its like they have to carry on, until proven right.
    01-11-12 08:38 AM
  14. undone's Avatar
    I'm really getting sick of people making excuses. Marketing, media bias, etc.

    The ultimate responsibility for this whole disaster lies with RIM. Blame whoever else you want, but RIM is the number 1 culprit for this fiasco.

    No excuses, they dropped the ball.
    The buy in to this exact belief is exactly the problem. I, meaning ME, like my Black Berry devices. I even liked my Storm 2. Did what I wanted and I was satisfied, but that is my opinion and mine alone. The problem with the media, as a general state, is that they are not just reporting, they are adding the flavor of their individual position or opinion on a topic. Report the topic, let me make my own judgement about good or bad. I think that's the point most of us try to make.

    When our hero is no longer a hero, we will burn them at the stake. For good or bad.
    Last edited by undone; 01-11-12 at 08:54 AM.
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    01-11-12 08:41 AM
  15. app_Developer's Avatar
    So when they have the ear of the world, but they back their home team with an invisable campain I call the "perseption attack", against RIM, what can be done.
    [emphasis mine]

    The implication here is that only American companies get good press, or that American companies don't get bad press. I think if you look deeper you'll see that's not true (see the derision toward Microsoft and Ballmer for example, or the positive press Samsung has been getting lately).

    I don't think this is a conspiracy, I think it's just plain old-fashioned piling on. Not to say it's right, just that it isn't quite as nefarious as some are making it seem.

    RIM has made a lot of mistakes since the iPhone announcement five years ago. I think even RIM's CES announcement is not going to be taken seriously yet until they actually ship the product and bring their sales numbers up.

    If RIM gets a new face, and turn things around, the same mindless technorati will be piling on their success and filling pageviews repeating that same "Blackberry is back!" story again and again. That's just unfortunately how it works, now RIM needs to take advantage of that.
    Last edited by app_Developer; 01-11-12 at 09:06 AM.
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    01-11-12 09:04 AM
  16. Dapper37's Avatar
    [emphasis mine]

    The implication here is that only American companies get good press, or that American companies don't get bad press. I think if you look deeper you'll see that's not true (see the derision toward Microsoft and Ballmer for example, or the positive press Samsung has been getting lately).

    I don't think this is a conspiracy, I think it's just plain old-fashioned piling on. Not to say it's right, just that it isn't quite as nefarious as some are making it seem.

    RIM has made a lot of mistakes since the iPhone announcement five years ago. I think even RIM's CES announcement is not going to be taken seriously yet until they actually ship the product and bring their sales numbers up.

    If RIM gets a new face, and turn things around, the same mindless technorati will be piling on their success and filling pageviews repeating that same story again and again. That's just unfortunately how it works, now RIM needs to take advantage of that.
    I don't dispell your thoughts, the truth is somewhere inbetween I would say. Some will say thats just how it works. I say, who gave them the right to try to subliminaly change my opinion. They should report the news. Not take political favour.
    The mainstreem media is American operated, sadly thats were your thoughts of implications lye. Anyone that has an advantage is going to take it.
    This is about slimy big business
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    01-11-12 09:19 AM
  17. Rickroller's Avatar
    Its been understood for a long time now the the mainstreem media has had it out for RIM, for a long time. How it is that it gets to go on for so long unchecked is beyond me.
    Unchecked? Huh? Perhaps it's gone on for so long, because RIM has allowed it to go on for so long. They come out and hype a product for 6 months before release, and then release it without even basics on it..and you don't expect media to rip on them? You release a new line up of phones with decent hardware, but your "flagship" model doesn't even have autofocus camera? And don't even get me started with Mike and Jim...those 2 alone deserve the media donkey punches they've gotten.

    As the saying goes "Check yourself before you wreck yourself". The balls in RIM's court, and people have been waiting for them to turn it around for almost 2 years now. When RIM can produce something worth cheering over, only then will the media stop picking on them.
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    01-11-12 09:20 AM
  18. Dapper37's Avatar
    Unchecked? Huh? Perhaps it's gone on for so long, because RIM has allowed it to go on for so long. They come out and hype a product for 6 months before release, and then release it without even basics on it..and you don't expect media to rip on them? You release a new line up of phones with decent hardware, but your "flagship" model doesn't even have autofocus camera? And don't even get me started with Mike and Jim...those 2 alone deserve the media donkey punches they've gotten.

    As the saying goes "Check yourself before you wreck yourself". The balls in RIM's court, and people have been waiting for them to turn it around for almost 2 years now. When RIM can produce something worth cheering over, only then will the media stop picking on them.
    You've expressed your views many times, your perticular point has never change. Well done.
    01-11-12 09:23 AM
  19. Rickroller's Avatar
    Just like the media, when RIM proves me wrong, then perhaps my point and view will change.
    01-11-12 09:25 AM
  20. anthogag's Avatar
    There are people that would like to see one less competitor in the smartphone market and they do whatever they can to further this goal. Business is war

    I presume the causes are corruption at the highest levels in media and the other is tech reviewers jumping on the 'current bandwagon'
    01-11-12 09:39 AM
  21. Dapper37's Avatar
    @rr, Sure I would always like a little more, I'm currently very satisfied with my BlackBerry products, Why is it that I have to feel assulted watching the evening news?
    01-11-12 09:40 AM
  22. Spencerdl's Avatar
    I agree, it appears that the media has never given the Blackberry smartphone or PlayBook its just due. IMO the Blackberry was designed to be a mobile office and not a mobile gaming system. For some apparent reason, the media does not point out the "good" concerning Blackberry smartphones but instead the media points out what it wasn't designed for. RIM allowed this media problem to grow, hoping it would go away, but it did not. True, there are smartphones and tablets that due more then RIM products, but more does NOT necessarily mean better.....BLACKBERRY products work for ME and thats all that really matters.
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    01-11-12 10:02 AM
  23. dandbj13's Avatar
    When the big news out of CES 2012 is that RIM's tablet from 2011 now has email, you can expect to take a hit for that. I understand why the 2.0 upgrade seems like a big deal to those invested in the product. But take a look at CES as a whole. The industry is trying to produce notebooks like Apple's, voice interface like Apple's, smart TVs like they think Apple will produce.

    No one is trying to do email on a tablet. How does that get coverage? The industry is not moved by one's efforts to port Android apps. Using one device to type on another device is interesting, I suppose. But you can dictate into an iPhone to type on a Mac. Even that is not news. If you close off your world to just Crackberry, then 2.0 is a big deal and a very nice upgrade. When considered with the rest of the world of tech, it does not fare so well.

    There is no conspiracy. There is just a lot going on in the world of tech of which RIM seems to be unaware.
    01-11-12 10:10 AM
  24. decypher44's Avatar
    You all hate to hear this, but it's the truth. RIM has made a lot of HUGE mistakes over the past few years. HUGE. The "media" doesn't have it out for RIM. They are reporting what's really going on, and you just don't like the news. Heck, if an actual BB owner, who happens to love his/her BB, posts something here critical of RIM (eg. Me), you call them a "troll".
    01-11-12 10:11 AM
  25. Coraya's Avatar
    Someone said something that made sense to me a few days ago. It may not be true and relevant to this topic. But it does have to do with debranding RIM. The 9930 sold for 199.99 originally. It is now, or recently went up to 229.99. Could Verizon be trying to prevent people from buying blackberry devices and moving to android and iphone instead? Does it make sense or is the original guy who said this and myself looking way too far into the details?

    Sent from my BlackBerry 9930 using Tapatalk
    01-11-12 10:14 AM
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