And In The Meantime Whilst BlackBerry Bashing
- What's making me weary here is all the bashing, period. I get that BB10 doesn't meet everyone's needs (not even legacy BB users). I get that the "ecosystem" has holes compared to the other established ones. That does NOT mean that it's a poor choice for all users.
BB10 is decent and competitive for a fairly broad swath of users. Why the insistence that it has to immediately be 100% competitive with ecosystems that are funded by much bigger companies with much deeper pockets? If that is the standard we're going by, how will any new competitor ever be able to enter the marketplace?
If the newbies want to compete, then they need to bring their A Game or partner with the right entities. Being late has disadvantages, and rightfully so.
Even the poorest choices are good for some users, so the ALL semantics does not matter to me. In this market its about establishing broad appeal, not limiting yourself to super small niches.
BlackBerry's userbase didn't help them either, and were wildly unreliable for them in the transition to BB10.
Sent from my Galaxy S III using Tapatalk 4Unbiased Tech and JeepBB like this.10-07-13 03:53 PMLike 2 - ThunderbuckRetired ModeratorI'm not suggesting that BlackBerry abandon all but a niche market. I'm saying that given their size, and resources, that if they can find a way to tread water with a niche market FOR NOW, why is that such an unreasonable notion?
From the awesome PHYSICAL keyboard of my Q1010-07-13 04:02 PMLike 0 - The latest sales figures show declining sales for both BB7 and BB10. Negative press has nothing to do with BBRY "growth". They've been operating at a loss for over a year and the BB10 launch accelerated that trend.JeepBB and Unbiased Tech like this.10-07-13 04:13 PMLike 2
- I'm not suggesting that BlackBerry abandon all but a niche market. I'm saying that given their size, and resources, that if they can find a way to tread water with a niche market FOR NOW, why is that such an unreasonable notion?
From the awesome PHYSICAL keyboard of my Q10
Sent from my Nexus 4 now Freekbz1960 and Unbiased Tech like this.10-07-13 04:18 PMLike 2 -
It baffles me why so many angry apple fans/owners won't give the BB10 platform a try?
But the reason why I mainly posted this is to shoe that Apple even since all the 6 years experience with their iOS are still making errors yet the BB10 platform is an awesome platform and only 8 months old. In all fairness there has been little in the way of bugs and already a new Z30 launch with what appears to be an excellent update with 10.2. So with this in mind it makes me laugh when I see people slating BlackBerry yet 'golden boy' apple is making some serious screw ups.
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If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd wonder if you were a Samsung shill, paid to make auto-correct errors, and then have "Z10" in your signature.
We all make errors...I've likely made more than my share. But if the point is to pump up the brand, make sure the message is clear, particularly if typing from the device in question.10-07-13 07:49 PMLike 0 - I'm not suggesting that BlackBerry abandon all but a niche market. I'm saying that given their size, and resources, that if they can find a way to tread water with a niche market FOR NOW, why is that such an unreasonable notion?
From the awesome PHYSICAL keyboard of my Q10
For consumers, yes, it's unreasonable.10-07-13 08:27 PMLike 0 -
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http://forums.crackberry.com/blackbe...i-ugly-761777/
It's the internet. I can find someone that's critical of just about anything. In this case, I didn't even have to leave this site.10-07-13 09:45 PMLike 0 -
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Not unreasonable so much as untenable.10-07-13 09:58 PMLike 0 - ThunderbuckRetired Moderator
And bad press absolutely has an impact on sales. I've spoken to several people who wish the company well, but they're too worried about BB's survival to actually commit to a BB10 phone.10-08-13 02:00 AMLike 0 - ThunderbuckRetired ModeratorBecause once a company starts reporting smartphone losses, there is no niche market in which to tread.
Not unreasonable so much as untenable.
I follow the industry, I know the history, and the odds. I think there's still cause for hope here; it's a good enough platform that if BB can get it into the hands to find enough users it will find more than a niche market.
They need to price competitively and promote extensively, and they may actually have a chance. Otherwise, sure, they might as well close up shop and save their cash.10-08-13 02:09 AMLike 0 -
The thing that I find sad, is that this means that they have sold an average of 566k units per model this quarter.
That's just abysmal...
If the trend of increasing sales continues exactly like that, then we would see 2.175 Million devices sold next quarter.
This would correspond to an average of 543k per model, the Z30 now included.
This number is extremely close to the the average of sales per device from the other quarter.
The conclusion that seems logic, is that the increase of sales is heavily linked to the number of models they have available.
That makes one think...
Because BlackBerry said that they'd abondon the plans to make 6 devices per year, for one where they make 4.
If their growth is heavily influenced by their models available, as I suspect, it would mean that it's actually the wrong decision to not make more than 4 different models.
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10-08-13 04:05 AMLike 0 - What's making me weary here is all the bashing, period. I get that BB10 doesn't meet everyone's needs (not even legacy BB users). I get that the "ecosystem" has holes compared to the other established ones. That does NOT mean that it's a poor choice for all users.
BB10 is decent and competitive for a fairly broad swath of users. Why the insistence that it has to immediately be 100% competitive with ecosystems that are funded by much bigger companies with much deeper pockets? If that is the standard we're going by, how will any new competitor ever be able to enter the marketplace?
My Z10 is pretty nice.
The app situation is everything else, but nice.
I live in Switzerland, which means that apps like Netflix or Hulu are worthless for me.
What I need are business apps and local apps.
With Android and iOS having a 4-5 year head start, this automotically means that not only the big named apps are there, no, it actually means that smaller and local apps are also there.
When your platform launches 5 years too late, there is a LOT of work to do, so that you can catch up to the big boys.
For me, the bigger hindrance to use my Z10 as the best tool avalaible, is the lack of local and popular apps.
This is actually very logical and the smaller the market, the lesser localised apps I will have with BB10.
But this makes it even harder for BB10 to sell.
In North America, they lack IG, Netflix, Candy Crush etc...
Which are deal breakers for a lot of people.
But in the rest of the world, they lack even more.
In some countries, as in, the one with the most cellphone subscribers worldwide, BB10 is inexistant and therefore local apps mostly are that, as well.
I don't know about the other guys, but I never expected BlackBerry to be able to fully compete in a very short amount of time, but I expected them to handle the app situation in a far better way.
The S4BB app spam, roughly representing 1/3 of all available apps for BB10, is just embarrassing for BlackBerry.
Now there are Android ports and other useless apps in BBW as well, so the number of really good and useful apps is even far smaller, especially when you need apps for a local market that isn't a main target for BlackBerry.
As a whole, I am not sure if BlackBerry really understood how incredibly hard it will be, to compete with Android and iOS.
Their rather lunatic pricing strategy, that still continues with the Z30 (and got its epitome with the Q5), their inability to provide basic apps the consumer expects and their inability to attract "local devs" from smaller countries, are all signs of arrogance and/or incompetence.
Posted via CB1010-08-13 04:27 AMLike 2 - 10-08-13 08:02 AMLike 1
- I know, this was the most obvious part
But there are some users who forget that BlackBerry's task was/is a gargantuan one.
This actually goes for both sides of the argument, as the rather positive users tend to forget, that one could have handled this late launch far better, especially through the public BB10 beta called PlayBook.
The negative users always seem to downplay the incredible challenge BlackBerry is actually facing (reaching regional devs, for example).
If you just wanted to hear it from me, well, here I've said it
Posted via CB1010-08-13 12:15 PMLike 0 - I understand your point.
Mine was to state that my upgrade on both my iPhone and my iPad were absolutely lacking in drama.
Blackberry is receiving criticism for a string of failures in execution. Delays to get the OS perfect them having random reboots is, no me, more impactful than a 40 minute delay in upgrading.
Security features vs convenience of access is a personal choice available through selections in Siri and the control centre.
It leaves me with no drama when compared to the randomly rebooting Z10 and the less than stellar battery life.
I understand your point. I simply countered with mine.
Cheers!
Posted via CB1010-08-13 01:59 PMLike 0 - Now this is hilarious.
Apple pushes out an update that targets ALL (or nearly all) their devices sold since Q3 2010. iPhone 4 and up, iPad 2 and up. All at the same time, same day. A small percentage of users have issues and suddenly it's 'karma time' for some people here.
BlackBerry releases an OS update for just ONE phone (Z10), takes months to trickle down to all paying customers, still retains bugs, spontaneous reboots etc...just one device and still we have issues.
it took Apple days to issue out a patch for the lockscreen bypass security issues. Many BlackBerry customers had to wait months for the random reboot issue
Nah, no contest here. There's a reason why Apple still posts the highest customer satisfaction ratings out there...and Blackberry still brings up the rear.
"If you can't soar with the eagles, then don't fly with the flock!" (BBM#18)10-08-13 06:28 PMLike 0 - 5-7 of the people I know pretty good, were diehard Apple fans, since the OG iPod.
With iOS7 and the iPhone 5s, all of them decided to switch phone manufacturer, because they:
A) Think that it looks like the OS has been designed for 7 year old girls.
B) Don't see any innovation from Apple anymore (64 bit is not something that says "revolutionary" for the average customer).
C) Want a bigger display, because they have seen the S4 and Note 2 from their co-workers.
D) See no merit in Johnny Ive's Sloppy UI.
http://sloppyui.tumblr.com/
For them, Apple blew it with iOS7 and their new (or old, in case of the 5c) phones.
But they aren't tempted to go down the BlackBerry route at all.
Posted via CB1010-08-13 09:30 PMLike 0 - 5-7 of the people I know pretty good, were diehard Apple fans, since the OG iPod.
With iOS7 and the iPhone 5s, all of them decided to switch phone manufacturer, because they:
A) Think that it looks like the OS has been designed for 7 year old girls.
B) Don't see any innovation from Apple anymore (64 bit is not something that says "revolutionary" for the average customer).
C) Want a bigger display, because they have seen the S4 and Note 2 from their co-workers.
D) See no merit in Johnny Ive's Sloppy UI.
http://sloppyui.tumblr.com/
For them, Apple blew it with iOS7 and their new (or old, in case of the 5c) phones.
But they aren't tempted to go down the BlackBerry route at all.
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Posted via CB1010-08-13 09:56 PMLike 0 - I'm hearing this more often from acquaintances of mine also. Especially "D"
5-7 of the people I know pretty good, were diehard Apple fans, since the OG iPod.
With iOS7 and the iPhone 5s, all of them decided to switch phone manufacturer, because they:
A) Think that it looks like the OS has been designed for 7 year old girls.
B) Don't see any innovation from Apple anymore (64 bit is not something that says "revolutionary" for the average customer).
C) Want a bigger display, because they have seen the S4 and Note 2 from their co-workers.
D) See no merit in Johnny Ive's Sloppy UI.
Sloppy UI
For them, Apple blew it with iOS7 and their new (or old, in case of the 5c) phones.
But they aren't tempted to go down the BlackBerry route at all.
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