Marching orders for CrackBerry fans against Netflix
- devildrifterX found and posted a great graph in another thread that sheds a lot of light on the benefits (or not) for a bb netflix app.
Thats assuming that 200k people will sign up for Netflix solely because of the Playbook, and that would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 20-25% of the Playbook userbase to date if RIM has sold 800k-1million devices. For many people, especially the ones complaining right now they are already subscribers, Netflix would lose money just to support a small segment of their users. They would need to sign up new users to make money or at the very least cover their costs to support the platform.
Look at this graph, you can see the trend of how people actually use Netflix and on what devices Click to view quoted image
Only 3% of iPad users use Netflix...what do you think 3% of the Playbook would be?
The vast majority of Netflix use is done on devices tied to the home, or on devices with massive marketshare in the mobile space, or mobile entertainment devices (3DS/Vita).
When you have stats that look like this, would you think it would be wise to support the Playbook?lotuslanderz likes this.02-25-12 11:50 AMLike 1 - Let me share a little Netflix history. When I joined, both services were $8 total. Soon after, they determined that they couldn't afford to supply both at that price, raised the price to $10. I had no issues. In less than a year from that, they jacked the price to $8 each for DVD and streaming services, no discount for having both, and they were splitting the DVD business off as a separate company. At which point, based on those almost simultaneous decisions, I was one of the 2,000,000 customers they lost in one month. So, Netflix isn't necessarily known for brilliant thinking.
That said, I admire the op standing for his beliefs, but he was basically alone leaving AT&T over bridge, will be close to alone leaving Netflix over no Playbook support. Not much of a recognizable protest from the viewpoints of AT&T and Netflix.
All this makes me wonder why the Playbook browser can't handle Netflix. I never had a special Netflix program on my PC. Just sayin'....02-25-12 12:13 PMLike 0 -
A monopoly is always broken in a free market because there will always be players who will try and come in between the monopoly holder and his profits.
In the eighties MS broke Apple's monopoly in the PC market and brought Apple to its knees. Apple came back and broke the music player monopoly in the 2000's and the smartphone monopoly held by RIM in 2007. Already android is giving a run to Apple for the monopoly it setup in 2007. I'm not suggesting that RIM would necessarily break Apple's and Androids monopoly people, but if not RIM then there will be something else waiting in the wings. What it would be, nobody knows. That's the beauty of technology.
Apple needs a completely new OS in the coming few years. IOS is fast approaching the same vintage as BBOS. Android shifts fast but is having problems with ICS.
The newest OS is BB10. It is finding its feet for sure but in a year's time it would be baked while the iOS would be getting older.
Am I betting against iOS...no. Is it getting old....yes. Does iOS needs transition in a few years, YES. Again on Transition BB seems to be ahead. Where it would lead is anyone's guess. But your pronouncement of BBs death and Apple's infinite monopoly seems baseless.lotuslanderz likes this.02-25-12 03:10 PMLike 1 - Here is something I posted in one of the other dozen Netflix threads
Like ive said before. 3% of 1 million playbooks is a lot better then 0% of 1 million playbooks. Plus, remember that we arent just talking about PLAYBOOKS. There is NO SUPPORT for ANY BLACKBERRY DEVICE.
I posted some links earlier saying that there are 32 million people in canada and over 40 million BBM subscribers... meaning that (by the numbers) BBM devices are a bigger market then canada is, yet canada has netflix.
Now, lets consider on the LARGE scale that HALF (just overestimating for the sake of the argument) of those devices either cant play or wont have access to netflix... so that leaves BBM and Playbooks at around 15 million. What is 3% of 15 million? My count says its around 500 000 potential users. Now, again for arguments sake, lets say that only half of these people actually use netflix past the one month free trial. That is 1.5% of ALL netflix capable/potential devices (using overexagerated numbers AGAINST the possibilty of getting netflix) and the number is 250 000! So for some more math. 250 000 people paying $8 for ONE MONTH of service is ... 2 MILLION DOLLARS!!!
So lets do even more math. Lets say that 1% of THESE people only stay on for ONE MONTH (that is 2 500 people). At $8 per person ONE MONTH of paid use brings in $20 000 for netflix. SO!, if there are 43 Million BBM users/devices and 2 500 people would bring in TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH you need 0.006% of BBM/PB users to pay netflix for ONE MONTH for them to earn $20 000 (which I am sure will be MORE then enough for them to develop the app). What does that mean in simple numbers?
It means 1 in every 16 700 users will need to pay for ONE MONTH of use.
I think those are pretty favourable numbers. Remember... business is about making money, and ANY AMOUNT of money that is ABOVE cost should be 'RELEVANT' to the company. If you have to pay a group of people $20 000 for ONE TIME with 0.006% of the affected users needed IN ONE MONTH to gain that money back, i will say that NOT GETTING into the BB/PB market is one of the worst business decisions an already lacking business can make.
*** I understand my math is not 100% accurate, as i did most of it in my head... but saying that 43 million people are not relevant to a company that only has around 25 million subscribers just goes to show that the people making the decisions dont know what they are talking about02-25-12 05:52 PMLike 0 - My guess is netflix buys into the idea that blackberry as a platform is going to shrink over time. So whatever the numbers now I guess they think it'll be less.
But again. I use a Tivo. Netflix added a Tivo app not all that long ago. Not sure how many Tivo users there are but I woud bet its a heck of a lot less than the numbers you posted. So it would seem they are not being consistent.02-25-12 06:13 PMLike 0 -
- Everyone needs to take one minute and send an email to Netflix. Even if you don't user the service. Send them an email and express your disappointment with their decision.02-25-12 09:59 PMLike 0
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- avt123O.G.
First, you don't need to swipe to get to the widgets from the app drawer. You just touch "widgets" and you are there. The fact that he is complaining that it takes numerous swipes if you have a ton of apps is pretty ridiculous, especially when a swipe is totally not necessary.
No pinch to zoom in the Gmail app is annoying, but nothing major. There are plenty of other email apps in the market. Stock is not the only option.
The other thing he mentions isn't a "problem" that's just a personal preference.
This isn't a list of "problems". This is a list of minor annoyances from one user. When you said problems I thought I was going to be hearing about a bunch of major flaws and glitches. lol02-26-12 03:08 AMLike 0 - These are problems?
First, you don't need to swipe to get to the widgets from the app drawer. You just touch "widgets" and you are there. The fact that he is complaining that it takes numerous swipes if you have a ton of apps is pretty ridiculous, especially when a swipe is totally not necessary.
No pinch to zoom in the Gmail app is annoying, but nothing major. There are plenty of other email apps in the market. Stock is not the only option.
The other thing he mentions isn't a "problem" that's just a personal preference.
This isn't a list of "problems". This is a list of minor annoyances from one user. When you said problems I thought I was going to be hearing about a bunch of major flaws and glitches. lol02-26-12 03:15 AMLike 0 - My guess is netflix buys into the idea that blackberry as a platform is going to shrink over time. So whatever the numbers now I guess they think it'll be less.
But again. I use a Tivo. Netflix added a Tivo app not all that long ago. Not sure how many Tivo users there are but I woud bet its a heck of a lot less than the numbers you posted. So it would seem they are not being consistent.02-26-12 08:38 AMLike 0 -
My real question, though, is how does your discussion with avt123 about ICS having issues (or not) have ANYTHING to do with Netflix not creating a BB app? Just wondering. And looking forward to seeing how you two are going to get this back on subject.Dapper37 likes this.02-26-12 08:47 AMLike 1 - Right off the bat i just wanna say that i don't have Netflix and am not a fan of it. I can see the whole craze in it and that's good but really there's nothing on Netflix that i cant get else ware. yes it might take some time to get but then i have it forever and don't have to pay an addition 8$ a month to get it. Yes its nice that it would be automatically compatible with my device and i wouldn't have to format it. but in the big scheme of things you can format in no time at all to anything else with the right program. i can see the original OPs thought trend on the issue im just saying that having or not having Netflix isn't the end of the world...02-26-12 09:10 AMLike 0
- Right off the bat i just wanna say that i don't have Netflix and am not a fan of it. I can see the whole craze in it and that's good but really there's nothing on Netflix that i cant get else ware. yes it might take some time to get but then i have it forever and don't have to pay an addition 8$ a month to get it. Yes its nice that it would be automatically compatible with my device and i wouldn't have to format it. but in the big scheme of things you can format in no time at all to anything else with the right program. i can see the original OPs thought trend on the issue im just saying that having or not having Netflix isn't the end of the world...02-26-12 11:17 AMLike 0
- Besides the fact that there is not now, nor has there ever been an "exclusive" deal between Apple and Netflix, your own argument here is internally inconsistent. If Netflix needs 80% of U.S. households to use their service, why would they sign an exclusive deal with Apple, which can't deliver the 80%? And if exclusivity is the reason there's no PlayBook app, why is Netflix available for so many other devices?02-26-12 12:31 PMLike 0
- For you the user, it may well be functional, and a simple matter to repackage. But from the developer/support side it's a different matter entirely. Ensuring suitable DRM methods are in place isn't always a simple matter of repackaging, QA checks to ensure it works as well as they would prefer, support tickets for a device for which the app was not specifically designed for, etc...
I know if I were on the development team, I'd sooner choose to produce a native app designed to take advantage of and run reliably specific to that platform. And for that, I'd wait until BB10 was out, development tools complete, and the ecosystem established.02-26-12 12:40 PMLike 0 - I don't know, but the availability of an app for the other devices certainly defeats the "exclusivity" argument.
Netflix offers streaming, not downloads, so the presence of a "DRM media folder" is irrelevant to the discussion of Netflix streaming availability.02-26-12 12:43 PMLike 0 - Marching orders? A bit extreme?
I understand the frustration you have, but
Before you send them cancel threat letters
Or conspiring that apple and android are
Blocking RIM from getting it, have any
Of you thought to ask netflix them selves
Why? I saw the article where they said
There is no plans to suuport the playbook
But is there an article I missed where they
Say why? If not, perhaps you guys should
Start there?
In my selfish opinion I hope you guys dont succeed in making
Netflix bankrupt. I use it on my tv and like it. Its a paid
Service that is available to those who wish to have
Its a choice given to all.
So lets find out who is to blame first shall we?morales0416 likes this.02-26-12 02:21 PMLike 1
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