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- There are two points here, and I'm surprised these haven't been discussed in more depth
Firstly, I'm surprised that Blackberry went with a Chinese company given the anti-Chinese sentiment and lack of trust that Chinese brands might cause: read "Hauwei". Would this be a deal-breaker reason that NA companies didn't want to buy them? We know it was for the US government. This seems important as we're talking about a phone for business people. I've kind of put it to the back of my mind due to being blinded by the BB logo and my desire to have a 'psuedo blackberry'. But thinking about it, I'd prefer a non-Chinese origin PKB or VKB phone. Don't get all offended on me!
Looking on the internet, Wikipedia lists a bewildering number of phone brands I've never heard of. The majority are Chinese!
So, let's say we're looking for a new NA-UK-EU friendly brand that is brave enough to take on a 'Blackberry' licence or even just launch a PKB phone on it's own, who would you choose?
I'll start ok? I started thinking about it on another thread.
I've wondered if Nokia has thought about a PKB, with or without a blackberry collaboration, especially as Nokia isn't a "toxic brand" AFAIK, and makes a feature phone range (e.g. the Banana phone !!) as well as it's Android "slab range" . It's also Finnish (good, right?), it has a heritage and I for one, would be happy to buy a Nokia PKB.
What about you guys and gals?09-01-19 02:41 PMLike 4 - Why do you imagine that there will be more licensees? BB couldn't make these phones profitably, and no surprise, 3 licensees couldn't make them profitably either with all the same costs and pressures PLUS the license fees. What would make some other company decide they could do what no one else could do, with a far smaller market than even 2.5 years ago?
If TCL is done (and that seems very likely at this point), then BB-branded smartphones are done too.John Albert likes this.09-01-19 04:36 PMLike 1 - Why do you think it's BlackBerry's choice to make? It's my understanding that TCL was the only taker last time around (except within India and Indonesian).09-01-19 05:11 PMLike 0
- Nokia does not need the BlackBerry brand, the BlackBerry OS or even the BlackBerry PKB design. Foxconn can make cheap and good as well.
Yes, Mrsimon is quite correct. There was a zero chance that Enterprise would ever embrace a Chinese PKB. No demand for a PKB and no demand for the BlackBerry OS. I think there was a falling out between BlackBerry and TCL long before today. You will recall John Chen saying that an OEM should redo the 9900 . That was pure BS. No way that Enterprise or regulated business would buy a 9900 . Then again, John Chen never understood mobile phones. Then there was Chen's put down of TCL's folding phone and 5G aspirations. How dare TCL think that their own brand was more prestigious than BlackBerry.
A lot of folks here think that corporations always think and behave rationally. I think that both TCL and BlackBerry are controlled by individuals who have extremely large ego's and neither will ever admit that their past decisions are anything less than perfect. I suspect that both Chen and Dongsheng blame each other for the failure of the TCL - BlackBerry partnership. Chen might say that TCL products lack quality and Dongsheng probably feels that Chen oversold the value of the BlackBerry OS as a differentiator in the US market.09-01-19 05:37 PMLike 3 - Nokia does not need the BlackBerry brand, the BlackBerry OS or even the BlackBerry PKB design. Foxconn can make cheap and good as well.
Yes, Mrsimon is quite correct. There was a zero chance that Enterprise would ever embrace a Chinese PKB. No demand for a PKB and no demand for the BlackBerry OS. I think there was a falling out between BlackBerry and TCL long before today. You will recall John Chen saying that an OEM should redo the 9900 . That was pure BS. No way that Enterprise or regulated business would buy a 9900 . Then again, John Chen never understood mobile phones. Then there was Chen's put down of TCL's folding phone and 5G aspirations. How dare TCL think that their own brand was more prestigious than BlackBerry.
A lot of folks here think that corporations always think and behave rationally. I think that both TCL and BlackBerry are controlled by individuals who have extremely large ego's and neither will ever admit that their past decisions are anything less than perfect. I suspect that both Chen and Dongsheng blame each other for the failure of the TCL - BlackBerry partnership. Chen might say that TCL products lack quality and Dongsheng probably feels that Chen oversold the value of the BlackBerry OS as a differentiator in the US market.Last edited by conite; 09-01-19 at 07:33 PM.
09-01-19 05:46 PMLike 0 -
- I can't see Nokia getting involved in this shenanigan. it's such a tiny populous that even wants a PKB, why would they even give it consideration?09-01-19 08:04 PMLike 0
- HMD Global pays good money to Nokia to license a great name like Nokia to use for their phones. Why would they want to license a name like BlackBerry?John Albert likes this.09-01-19 09:15 PMLike 1
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....oh back to the point.......besides BlackBerry is the greater name than Nokia.09-01-19 09:34 PMLike 3 - Meh, BlackBerry doesn't deserve to exist in the smartphone realm anymore. They've been treating their customers like crap for the last decade. Lie after lie, delay after delay, lack of updates, lack of communication, terrible customer support, overpriced and poor quality hardware....they did it to themselves.
They had the market by the balls in 2007-08....they had an astronomical lead and they completely blew it.09-01-19 09:48 PMLike 6 - Meh, BlackBerry doesn't deserve to exist in the smartphone realm anymore. They've been treating their customers like crap for the last decade. Lie after lie, delay after delay, lack of updates, lack of communication, terrible customer support, overpriced and poor quality hardware....they did it to themselves.
They had the market by the balls in 2007-08....they had an astronomical lead and they completely blew it.zer0ten likes this.09-01-19 10:04 PMLike 1 - Meh, BlackBerry doesn't deserve to exist in the smartphone realm anymore. They've been treating their customers like crap for the last decade. Lie after lie, delay after delay, lack of updates, lack of communication, terrible customer support, overpriced and poor quality hardware....they did it to themselves.
They had the market by the balls in 2007-08....they had an astronomical lead and they completely blew it.
2) BB wasn’t consumer facing company. Originally, BBOS devices and BIS through your carrier and that was your consumer interface
3) Hardware was always to support BIS and wasn’t overpriced as it was heavily subsidized through carriers so consumers would subscribe to BIS and pay BB monthly revenue through carriers.
4)Once Android/iOS came along in 2007/2008, it was the beginning of the end for BB and their wasn’t anything to be done. Their business model was vertical integration of software/hardware that was obsolete in the new carrier data model. There wasn’t a plausible available response. It’s why BB10 was always destined to be the epic fail it eventually became.09-01-19 10:37 PMLike 3 - 1) BB left smartphones end of 2016
2) BB wasn’t consumer facing company. Originally, BBOS devices and BIS through your carrier and that was your consumer interface
3) Hardware was always to support BIS and wasn’t overpriced as it was heavily subsidized through carriers so consumers would subscribe to BIS and pay BB monthly revenue through carriers.
4)Once Android/iOS came along in 2007/2008, it was the beginning of the end for BB and their wasn’t anything to be done. Their business model was vertical integration of software/hardware that was obsolete in the new carrier data model. There wasn’t a plausible available response. It’s why BB10 was always destined to be the epic fail it eventually became.
Hard to see the cliff on the other side of the hill.
https://www.engadget.com/amp/2008/11...-storm-review/09-02-19 01:29 AMLike 0 -
The tone of recent threads and posts is leaning towards the view that the end is nigh for this partnership.
Just interested to hear alternatives, if indeed there are any. 😎09-02-19 04:14 AMLike 0 - Nokia brand is kicking back and in the first half if 2019, it is among the top 100 brands in the world.
HMD Global sales numbers for Q2 is up 20% with 5 million smartphones and 16 million feature phones sales numbers.
Nokia brand doesn't need BlackBerry in anything.
If Nokia wants to release a PKB phone, they can easily revive the E-Series, which had very great phones.
Regardless the hugely controversial reasoning, people here need to understand that BlackBerry brand is very toxic and dead and no company or group of people want to use it anymore at this point.
The brand is unfortunately a synonym of failure , obsolescence, and outdated minds.
Please, admit this FACT!
Yes, it is a pure FACT now!Last edited by John Albert; 09-02-19 at 05:19 AM.
09-02-19 05:05 AMLike 4 - Hard to see the cliff on the other side of the hill.
https://www.engadget.com/amp/2008/11...-storm-review/09-02-19 01:10 PMLike 0 - For the Bahamas right now it must feel that way as it’s sitting on top of them and won’t just die and go away.
Was CAT 5 185mph sustained and 220mph gusts until few hours ago. Sitting over the islands of land weakens some but a CAT 4 @ 150mph sustained and 180mph gusts aren’t much consolation.09-02-19 01:57 PMLike 0 - Nokia brand doesn't need BlackBerry in anything.
If Nokia wants to release a PKB phone, they can easily revive the E-Series, which had very great phones.
BlackBerry brand is very toxic and dead and no company or group of people want to use it anymore at this point.
The brand is unfortunately a synonym of failure , obsolescence, and outdated minds.
Please, admit this FACT!
Yes, it is a pure FACT now!
However, what I won't accept, is that the PKB itself is as doomed for failure as the BlackBerry brand name.
An E Series mid-range revival by Nokia at a $329 price point would attract less ridiculing and finger pointing than the KEY2 at $64909-02-19 10:38 PMLike 0 - STUPID US POLITICS ASIDE (because they couldn't force a country to do anything, etc. They threw a tantrum instead), i'll get any physical keyboard device regardless of manufacturer. Chinese or not.
It's not like they're going to have physical access to your device if the bootloader is unlocked and you use different firmware, and that's impossible (physical access requires them to steal your device off of you).
Then again, since blackberry was NEVER a consumer facing company to begin with, that's why there was so much "disappointment" from consumers. What, you expected an enterprise-focused-primary company to please everyone outside of that scope? Nope, not gonna happen.
They made the sensible decision to get out of the hardware business and i'm glad they did. Spoiled/unsatisfied people cannot ever be satisfied (and i'm not spoiled, and I don't call anyone else spoiled either).
We can dream.
We can also move on.
Typed on my blackberry classic with 10.3.3-latest on freedom mobile HSPA+09-03-19 05:13 AMLike 0 - I've accepted it with the BlackBerry brand on it, but I wouldn't buy a Chinese phone with it's own brand on it. I'd prefer to give my business to EU or NA firms or even Japanese.
IMHO, the Nokia brand with a PKB fits the bill for BlackBerry fans. If they like Unihertz with little mobile experience, a Nokia nails it.
Right?anon(10218918) and John Albert like this.09-03-19 08:28 AMLike 2 - I've accepted it with the BlackBerry brand on it, but I wouldn't buy a Chinese phone with it's own brand on it. I'd prefer to give my business to EU or NA firms or even Japanese.
IMHO, the Nokia brand with a PKB fits the bill for BlackBerry fans. If they like Unihertz with little mobile experience, a Nokia nails it.
Right?09-03-19 08:29 AMLike 0
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