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  1. donnation's Avatar
    When he took over I know you got to speak with him live and really seemed to buy into his whole strategy and where he was going to take the company. I bought in too, as did a lot of other people in here. I think he needs to go and his hiring has been a disaster for the company and he hasn't changed or done anything different than his predecessors. For all his talk of timely release dates and communicating with the public he's turned out to be a big flop.

    Are you still high on him or do you feel like a lot of us at Crackberry feel, which is complete disappointment in him. Since there is no affiliation to Blackberry on this site I was curious to your thoughts on him. If you can't say I understand but thought it would be interesting to hear your take on him now that the dust has settled.
    Last edited by donnation; 09-27-13 at 12:00 PM.
    09-27-13 11:21 AM
  2. Whyareallthegoodnamestaken's Avatar
    Yes I have lost all confidence in him whereas once I had high hopes for him.

    Posted via CB10
    09-27-13 11:25 AM
  3. Mr. Marco's Avatar
    He has no thoughts on him. He's preparing to face him in a buried alive match at Survivor Series.
    09-27-13 11:30 AM
  4. RyanGermann's Avatar
    With all due respect, don't bait CBK in a public forum. PM him if you want, and if it's an engaging subject, he may do a blog post about it.

    CBK's candid opinion of Thor can't be suitable for public consumption: positive, he gets the ire of CBNation... negative, he gets the ire of BlackBerry Ltd.

    After Thor's gone (which can't be too soon in my opinion) I expect CBK will do a retrospective on his tenure that will be fair and will acknowledge that some of the decisions Thor made don't hold up IN HINDSIGHT (he'll probably call the post "Heins-sight"! HA!) but in my opinion, there were some decisions that were just product management 101 fails: whether they were his decisions, whether they were informed by other execs and he gave the go ahead, or whether he actually contravened decisions of other execs to bring BlackBerry to where it is today, well, we may only ever know if someone writes a tell-all about "the fall of BlackBerry". Maybe that will also be CBK.
    09-27-13 11:31 AM
  5. hkkelvinlee's Avatar
    Where is the firing squard?

    Posted via CB10
    09-27-13 11:32 AM
  6. IgotsThis's Avatar
    He has no thoughts on him. He's preparing to face him in a buried alive match at Survivor Series.
    Lol yes!!!!

    BBM channels: c00121c99 for some knowledge and c00123fca for some real hip hop
    GRojasHruska likes this.
    09-27-13 11:32 AM
  7. anon1727506's Avatar
    With all due respect, don't bait CBK in a public forum. PM him if you want, and if it's an engaging subject, he may do a blog post about it.

    CBK's candid opinion of Thor can't be suitable for public consumption: positive, he gets the ire of CBNation... negative, he gets the ire of BlackBerry Ltd.

    After Thor's gone (which can't be too soon in my opinion) I expect CBK will do a retrospective on his tenure that will be fair and will acknowledge that some of the decisions Thor made don't hold up IN HINDSIGHT (he'll probably call the post "Heins-sight"! HA!) but in my opinion, there were some decisions that were just product management 101 fails: whether they were his decisions, whether they were informed by other execs and he gave the go ahead, or whether he actually contravened decisions of other execs to bring BlackBerry to where it is today, well, we may only ever know if someone writes a tell-all about "the fall of BlackBerry". Maybe that will also be CBK.
    Why would this matter?

    So it's OK for CrackBerry to praise Heins and all he might do. But they can't question what he has done or might be doing now, for fear that WHAT??? BlackBerry will stop letting Kevin have a 15 second interview with Heins?

    What does CrackBerry get from BlackBerry? Advertising? Free Devices? Insider Info?

    I do understand the part about some here don't want to hear anything negative, they would rather be ignorant of what is going on. Chris got pretty beat up over his last honest impression of what is going on with Fairfax and BlackBerry. But being afraid of the truth or letting a few bullies silences the truth..... Maybe CrackBerry isn't the best place on the web for NEWS about BlackBerry anymore.
    09-27-13 11:43 AM
  8. CrackBerry Kevin's Avatar
    Just landed back in America after a 14 hour flight. Just boarding connection flight now.

    Look, beyond just T.H., I have been doing a LOT of detailed thinking about BBRY as a whole. Just focusing my thoughts on T.H. without addressing my thoughts on everything would only be a partial story.

    So long story short... as suggested above, I WILL be writing that book.

    What do you think would make a good title? BlackBerry: the untold story. BlackBerry: the juice squeezed. Lol

    Posted via CB10
    09-27-13 12:07 PM
  9. Bold_until_Hybrid_Comes's Avatar
    Just landed back in America after a 14 hour flight. Just boarding connection flight now.

    Look, beyond just T.H., I have been doing a LOT of detailed thinking about BBRY as a whole. Just focusing my thoughts on T.H. without addressing my thoughts on everything would only be a partial story.

    So long story short... as suggested above, I WILL be writing that book.

    What do you think would make a good title? BlackBerry: the untold story. BlackBerry: the juice squeezed. Lol

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    BlackBerry : from cradle to crucifix.
    pkcable, Etios, potatoguy and 2 others like this.
    09-27-13 12:11 PM
  10. Mr. Marco's Avatar
    Blackberry: How Corporate Executives Can Sink Ships

    And yeah, I'm talking about you Lazaridis and Balsillie.
    pkcable, milo53, Stewartj1 and 1 others like this.
    09-27-13 12:24 PM
  11. RyanGermann's Avatar
    "Something I'm Not: how Thorsten Heins tried to be something he wasn't (a CEO) and turn BlackBerry into something it's not (an apps-driven consumer product company) and made BlackBerry fans into something they're not (fans of BlackBerry Ltd... well not any more.)"
    LuisCast likes this.
    09-27-13 12:41 PM
  12. njblackberry's Avatar
    Coffee with Thor: Everyone Got A Haircut
    09-27-13 12:46 PM
  13. seemsixty7's Avatar
    Personally I don't know Thor or much about him. Leadership is challenging in a situation like this. I think I recall Thor saying something about it getting worse before it gets better. Yeah it has been painful in many ways. I really don't know if he is screwing up or not. If he is then hopefully he sees it and acknowledges it, learns form it and improves next go round. If he is someone that externalizes his failures and makes up excuses, then yes he needs to go. I haven't see the latter from him, but I don't track Thor at all. I love my blackberry devices and love BB10. Hell I loved BBOS from way back. I want it to succeed. Of course I was rooting for IBM's OS2 a long time ago. The best technology doesn't always win. I would hate to see Thor go, see BlackBerry hire someone else and then do a repeat of this process again. If Thor can learn from his mistakes, overcome, improvise, and adapt, then leave him. If he wants to keep doing things the same and ignore the lessons he should have learned then he needs to go. Please find a marketing niche that works.
    09-27-13 12:48 PM
  14. docfreed's Avatar
    Why does everyone blame Heins (and/or Lazaridis and Balsillie) - they're just puppets who served - mostly way too long - at the pleasure of the BBRY Board of Directors. The latter are the real culprits for not exercising their responsibility/due diligence. They left BBRY in a state of denial far too long and IMHO, behaheved identically to other moronic BOD's, e.g, Hewlett-Packard... Whereas a stellar Board of Directors such as IBM or Xerox (BTW, no affiliation at all, just admiration) took decisive action when the companies were in danger and they brought in talented, visionary outsiders who were untainted with a failing corporate culture. The BBRY board should resign en masse but they will probably be rewarded handsomely for presiding over an abject failure.
    09-27-13 12:50 PM
  15. njblackberry's Avatar
    They were all probably registered here and read up on how great things were and how many people were lining up for the Zed10.

    Yes, the Board deserves part of the blame, but the poor execution is strictly management's responsibility (and I am sure they are all worried about it given their golden parachutes).
    potatoguy likes this.
    09-27-13 12:55 PM
  16. auditman's Avatar
    BlackBerry UnAuthorized Story
    09-27-13 12:55 PM
  17. BigRob673's Avatar
    The legend of the squircle and other gizmos that where shown and given away, cinnamon toast & parallax

    Sometimes, late at night, I'll dim the lights and put my browser in reader mode, just to see my Squircle.Don't judge me
    09-27-13 01:03 PM
  18. AnimalPak200's Avatar
    "CrackBerry rehab: the joys and tears of BlackBerry's biggest addict."



    Posted via CB10
    09-27-13 01:13 PM
  19. donemt's Avatar
    Just landed back in America after a 14 hour flight. Just boarding connection flight now.

    Look, beyond just T.H., I have been doing a LOT of detailed thinking about BBRY as a whole. Just focusing my thoughts on T.H. without addressing my thoughts on everything would only be a partial story.

    So long story short... as suggested above, I WILL be writing that book.

    What do you think would make a good title? BlackBerry: the untold story. BlackBerry: the juice squeezed. Lol

    Posted via CB10
    Glad your back, Kevin, and do look forward to your future article on BlackBerry. As someone who has been following CrackBerry for some time and a Blackberry owner when they were a pager, I like you and the other millions of loyal fans and users were excited about the position filled by TH and the expectations he promised. We had been waiting for the new BlackBerry system which had been promised for so long that the future looked very promising when you were given the honor of interviewing TH right after his taking over. I as many sincerely hope for BlackBerry's continuation as a phone company as the thought of using another phone seems challenging. Looking forward to your article

    medicdon
    09-27-13 01:14 PM
  20. lawguyman's Avatar
    Just landed back in America after a 14 hour flight. Just boarding connection flight now.

    Look, beyond just T.H., I have been doing a LOT of detailed thinking about BBRY as a whole. Just focusing my thoughts on T.H. without addressing my thoughts on everything would only be a partial story.

    So long story short... as suggested above, I WILL be writing that book.

    What do you think would make a good title? BlackBerry: the untold story. BlackBerry: the juice squeezed. Lol

    Posted via CB10
    "CrackedBerry: The Rise and Fall of an Icon"

    Posted via CB10
    09-27-13 01:16 PM
  21. onvisa's Avatar
    Its always the people who don't get credit, the first to get fired and don't make decisions.
    All the board members are just there to get paid handsomely and screw the company.
    We need board members and CEO's ( and all the C's before your name) who can look into the future and say how can we improve our product, how can we be a step ahead of our competitors, this board and CEO's didn't do that.
    They just sat back and count there shares. The first person who should have got was the marketing CEO and staff for a lousy job they did.You don't hire a person who switches job's every 3 yrs. that means is just a person who goes to a different company for a raise in pay.
    Don't feel sorry for them and TH they already sold most of there shares.
    Last edited by onvisa; 09-27-13 at 01:36 PM.
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    09-27-13 01:24 PM
  22. sleepngbear's Avatar
    "Something I'm Not: how Thorsten Heins tried to be something he wasn't (a CEO) and turn BlackBerry into something it's not (an apps-driven consumer product company) and made BlackBerry fans into something they're not (fans of BlackBerry Ltd... well not any more.)"
    Well that's pretty much the whole book right there, isn't it.
    bungaboy likes this.
    09-27-13 01:30 PM
  23. onvisa's Avatar
    @donnation
    The question we should be asking Kevin is, Did TH know anything about Blakberry before came?
    09-27-13 01:39 PM
  24. DustBow's Avatar
    In retrospect, I think BB was dead before Thor even took over. The legacy OS was tired/dated and developing a new OS from scratch - no matter how good it is/was - just took too long to turn the tide. BB took too long to realize/accept what the consumer wanted in a phone and overestimated companies' loyalty to enterprise BB as well.

    That said, Thor is no without blame and could have done many things better.

    Things change FAST in the tech world - that's what made Blackberry so quickly and also what brought them down so quickly
    09-27-13 01:39 PM
  25. amazinglygraceless's Avatar
    So long story short... as suggested above, I WILL be writing that book.

    What do you think would make a good title? BlackBerry: the untold story. BlackBerry: the juice squeezed. Lol

    Posted via CB10
    "Falling Behind - The Rise and Fall of BlackBerry" - Kevin Michaluk
    Shadowyugi likes this.
    09-27-13 01:43 PM
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