It's a sad day when Apple takes a stronger stance on privacy than BlackBerry...
- This article about Apple's position on the changes to UK legislation that would allow for government backdoors into communications highlights a stark contrast to that of BlackBerry, where Chen was recently quoted as saying they would comply with government orders for access to data.
Apple unsettled by the UK's draft surveillance billlift likes this.12-22-15 11:02 AMLike 1 - 12-22-15 11:59 AMLike 3
- Has Apple released a statement that they wouldn't?
They issued a statement to be followed by a report highlighting their concerns. Until their product is actually more secure, possibly in defiance of future laws, then of what value is this stance to the average person?
Similarly, assuming he gets elected, what are the chances of Trump actually building a wall between the USA and Mexico? Zero.12-22-15 12:37 PMLike 0 -
- Lol.
The idea that Apple, or Google, or any other monstrous *consumer geared* Tech company is really, deeply committed to your privacy is not well founded. It is certainly in the ether now, but for crying out loud - Google has admitted in court that it essentially reads and monitors your EMAILS via their service to sell you ads. Apple's iCloud hack (scandal) ... the list is enormous.
Posted via CB1012-22-15 08:16 PMLike 0 - Lol.
The idea that Apple, or Google, or any other monstrous *consumer geared* Tech company is really, deeply committed to your privacy is not well founded. It is certainly in the ether now, but for crying out loud - Google has admitted in court that it essentially reads and monitors your EMAILS via their service to sell you ads. Apple's iCloud hack (scandal) ... the list is enormous.
You realize BlackBerry uses a single encryption key for ALL BBM users, right? Not so with iMessage. Apple claims to not be able to read the messages.12-22-15 08:21 PMLike 0 - I like Apple's position on this. As I stated in a similar thread, privacy is and always should be a right that we should never give up and always fight for. Bad guy's will use any tool necessary to do what they want to do. Backdoor's for governments will always be abused and eventually also fall into the wrong hands.
BlackBerry's position on Privacy is shameful (But it's written all over the Priv's box). What a discrace.12-22-15 08:32 PMLike 4 -
As soon as you open the communication to the possibility of being recorded, you jeopardize the security of the users.12-23-15 01:50 AMLike 3 -
- If that legislation passed, and BlackBerry was told to insert back doors, then they would exit the UK following their behaviour so far, no idea how you see otherwise.
BlackBerry are just admitting that there is no 'easy' solution, they are speaking to the reality instead of to the whims of snowden scare tactics
Also, see
http://forums.crackberry.com/showthread.php?p=12157836
Posted via CB10TgeekB and GenghisKahn2011 like this.12-23-15 06:52 AMLike 2 - Does John Chen's definition of a "criminal" include a CEO "PlayBooking" his loyal customers? Seems criminal to me.12-23-15 06:58 AMLike 4
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- This article about Apple's position on the changes to UK legislation that would allow for government backdoors into communications highlights a stark contrast to that of BlackBerry, where Chen was recently quoted as saying they would comply with government orders for access to data.
Apple unsettled by the UK's draft surveillance billgovernmentcourt orders for access to data."
Get your facts straight.
Was apple as unsettled about Pakistans demand for a backdoor? I don't recall them planning to cease operations as blackberry has...
"After November 30, BlackBerry will no longer operate in Pakistan. While we regret leaving this important market and our valued customers there, remaining in Pakistan would have meant forfeiting our commitment to protect our users’ privacy. That is a compromise we are not willing to make."
From the article: Apple unsettled by the UK's draft surveillance bill:
"That law requires companies, when served with a notice tied to an interception warrant, to hand over customer data in a readable, preferably decrypted format."
John Chen, BlackBerry CEO: It's A 'Social Responsibility' To Hand Over Private Info In Some Cases
Chens comment was about allowing Law enforcement access through the courts. If a company is issued a court order to gain access to data they should have no choice but to comply...that is how society works. If they do not comply they should be charged with obstructing justice.
John Chen, BlackBerry CEO: It's A 'Social Responsibility' To Hand Over Private Info In Some CasesLast edited by Mark Sb; 12-23-15 at 08:53 AM.
12-23-15 08:24 AMLike 4 - "Chen was recently quoted as saying they would comply with
governmentcourt orders for access to data."
Get your facts straight.
Was apple as unsettled about Pakistans demand of a backdoor? I don't recall them planning to cease operations as blackberry has?
"After November 30, BlackBerry will no longer operate in Pakistan. While we regret leaving this important market and our valued customers there, remaining in Pakistan would have meant forfeiting our commitment to protect our users� privacy. That is a compromise we are not willing to make."
(Apple unsettled by the UK's draft surveillance bill)
"That law requires companies, when served with a notice tied to an interception warrant, to hand over customer data in a readable, preferably decrypted format."
Chens comment was about allowing Law enforcement access through the courts. If a company is issued a court order to gain access to data they should have no choice but to comply...that is how society works. If they do not comply they should be charged with obstructing justice.
Posted via BlackBerry PrivDavid Tyler likes this.12-23-15 08:39 AMLike 1 - Apple doesn't have the technology or inclination to secure its systems, so it wants all users' data encrypted to transfer all responsibility for privacy to the user.
If the UK law passes, Apple would be screwed. Tim Cook is pretending to be on the side of Apple's customers, but this is the company that tries to tie your credit-card authenticated ID to every App on your phone.
Apple didn't even consider pulling out of Pakistan because the Pakistani intelligence services is very happy with customers using iPhone. They had to ask Blackberry for keys because Blackberry was unhackable.
People like the SOUND of Apples' position better because it's simple, but that doesn't mean it's a better way to protect privacy.
Most privacy threats are through the tying of your ID to your online activities. Apple and Google are disasters in this area because there business models are based on selling apps through their play store, and transactions require non-alias credentials.
I say, if your biggest concern about privacy is government accessing your records after obtaining a warrant, a Blackberry might not be for you. If your concern is routine degradation of your privacy due to tracking online, then Apple and Google are not for you.
Posted via CB1012-23-15 09:36 AMLike 5 -
- So ANY Govt. can go to BlackBerry and say "yeah, John Doe is involved in illegal activity and we want his data". Now what may be considered illegal activity in some countries may not be here (speaking against the Govt., etc.). That's why I like Apple's stance on this. A company that says it will co-operate with Govt. requests for criminal activity is ripe for abuse.
Chen should go. Making the statements he made has put BlackBerry (A company supposedly committed to PRIVacy and security) in a bad light.Q10Bold and Coachbulldog like this.12-23-15 03:22 PMLike 2 - So ANY Govt. can go to BlackBerry and say "yeah, John Doe is involved in illegal activity and we want his data". Now what may be considered illegal activity in some countries may not be here (speaking against the Govt., etc.). That's why I like Apple's stance on this. A company that says it will co-operate with Govt. requests for criminal activity is ripe for abuse.
Chen should go. Making the statements he made has put BlackBerry (A company supposedly committed to PRIVacy and security) in a bad light.Last edited by Mark Sb; 12-23-15 at 05:00 PM.
12-23-15 04:49 PMLike 0 - That was stupid. Just because something CAN be used to commit a crime does not make it OK to commit a crime. People break the law. That's the way it is and always will be. Taking the privacy away from everyone so that you have the ability to catch a few is not for the greater good. It's just big brother wanting the ability to spy on anyone at any time however they want. That's just wrong. You have a right to privacy and if you do something wrong, law enforcement has to find a way to prove you are guilty. There are many ways to do this. One of them does not have to be taking the privacy away from everyone to do it.12-23-15 05:16 PMLike 3
- Anyone who thinks that Apple has no "back door " or are in the position that they don't release information to Law enforcement is clearly Deluded.
Posted via CB1012-23-15 05:30 PMLike 0 - That was stupid. Just because something CAN be used to commit a crime does not make it OK to commit a crime. People break the law. That's the way it is and always will be. Taking the privacy away from everyone so that you have the ability to catch a few is not for the greater good. It's just big brother wanting the ability to spy on anyone at any time however they want. That's just wrong. You have a right to privacy and if you do something wrong, law enforcement has to find a way to prove you are guilty. There are many ways to do this. One of them does not have to be taking the privacy away from everyone to do it.
BTW I'm pretty sure you don't even care about this issue...just see it as an opportunity to sound alarm bells in your mission to smear blackberry, but here is a link...and a quote.
He also offered some more insight into his post � highlighting a "longstanding policy" established at BlackBerry before his arrival two years ago, which outlines when the company would be willing to give access to police under a court order.
"We are going to be able to provide your location, who's called who, and all of the metadata around that," he said in a roundtable with reporters.
But he emphasized that BlackBerry wouldn't give authorities a user's specific texts or other communication.
"The data itself is safe because we never have it," he said. "We never save the content."
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