1. BBartist's Avatar
    I noticed after submitting the insurance claim for Storm that if I don't send the damged phone back within 15 days I could be charged up to $300...doesn't the phone cost something like $500 w/o plan? So hypothetically if I was to file a claim on a stolen phone I could keep my original phone and sell the other one for a tight little profit? heheheh criminal thinking isn't healthy
    12-17-08 08:38 PM
  2. Shao128's Avatar
    The title of your thread shouldn't be "Insurance loop hope" it should be "Insurance Fraud".
    12-17-08 08:42 PM
  3. wetwilly's Avatar
    I have no use for people who lack integrity.

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    12-17-08 08:42 PM
  4. BBartist's Avatar
    My point is that if the company doesn't want to lose money don't you think the fee should exceed the value of the phone?
    12-17-08 08:44 PM
  5. amazinglygraceless's Avatar
    I don't think I have ever seen another user help out someone
    asking how to steal a phone or commit insurance fraud. With any
    luck we will keep our streak alive.
    12-17-08 08:47 PM
  6. Branta's Avatar
    Is a $200 fraud worth the risk of a criminal record?
    12-17-08 08:49 PM
  7. BBartist's Avatar
    So nobody sees that fact that they are only going to charge your three hundred dollars to replace a $500 phone...the fraud part was the joke the fact that they are overpricing the phone by almost two hundred dollars is crazy...
    12-17-08 08:52 PM
  8. AdamR240's Avatar
    Well it's not really fraud if they got what they want. Either the phone or 300.
    I'm just saying...
    12-17-08 10:25 PM
  9. teacher69's Avatar
    If your phone is reported stolen and someone else tries to turn it on the id number given will come up as a stolen or lost and they will not turn the phone on. So there is no loop hole. Every phone has a different id #.

    I have a relative who works for verizon and she has told me to always check out the id number before purchasing a phone ( I have bought from ebay) because if it is a lost or stolen phone they will not turn it on and you lose your money.
    12-17-08 10:34 PM
  10. RicanMedic78's Avatar
    I noticed after submitting the insurance claim for Storm that if I don't send the damged phone back within 15 days I could be charged up to $300...doesn't the phone cost something like $500 w/o plan? So hypothetically if I was to file a claim on a stolen phone I could keep my original phone and sell the other one for a tight little profit? heheheh criminal thinking isn't healthy
    funny observation ... dont think he meant anything malitious by it, lol
    Last edited by RicanMedic78; 12-18-08 at 12:45 AM.
    12-17-08 10:59 PM
  11. dmglakewood's Avatar
    How is it fraud?

    It's not fraud if it's their policy. He won't go to jail, he wont have a record or anything like that. If it is indeed a loophole he isn't at fault the insurance is.
    12-18-08 12:41 AM
  12. kvaughan's Avatar
    It's not fraud at all. If your original Storm was damaged and you make a claim, receive the new Storm, and return the old one or pay the 300 you've fulfilled your part of the deal. However, in the end you may be up $200 but you are still out a phone and have just contributed to the ever increasing insurance rates.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    12-18-08 12:52 AM
  13. Yankez's Avatar
    It's not fraud at all. If your original Storm was damaged and you make a claim,
    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    OP's not talking about the DAMAGED phone

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    So hypothetically if I was to file a claim on a stolen phone I could keep my original phone and sell the other one for a tight little profit? heheheh criminal thinking isn't healthy
    What's being suggested there is fraud .

    Not to mention the fact that his original phone would be nothing more than a $500 paper weight after it was deactivated when reported stolen .

    12-18-08 12:59 AM
  14. BlackBerry Guy's Avatar
    Well it's not really fraud if they got what they want. Either the phone or 300.
    I'm just saying...
    It is fraud if you say something was stolen when it really wasn't.

    Those of you who think it isn't fraud because the insurance company got their $300 and the "deal" was completed, don't forget your not suppose to make claims unless your phone was really stolen.
    12-18-08 09:11 AM
  15. rehab0808's Avatar
    The title of your thread shouldn't be "Insurance loop hope" it should be "Insurance Fraud".
    Well it's not really fraud if they got what they want. Either the phone or 300.
    I'm just saying...
    Just asked my attorney buddy what "Fraud" is . . . "an attempt to deceive" is what he said.

    I'm not judging, I'm just saying.
    12-18-08 09:17 AM
  16. kvaughan's Avatar
    It is fraud if you say something was stolen when it really wasn't.

    Those of you who think it isn't fraud because the insurance company got their $300 and the "deal" was completed, don't forget your not suppose to make claims unless your phone was really stolen.
    My post said nothing about claiming the phone was stolen when it really wasn't, nor the OP. He asked about not sending the damaged phone back and just paying the $300 per the agreement with the insurance company when filing the claim. That is not fraud. Please read carefully next time.

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    12-18-08 09:33 AM
  17. BlackBerry Guy's Avatar
    My post said nothing about claiming the phone was stolen when it really wasn't, nor the OP. He asked about not sending the damaged phone back and just paying the $300 per the agreement with the insurance company when filing the claim. That is not fraud. Please read carefully next time.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    Maybe you didn't say anything about the phone being stolen, but the OP certainly did.

    So hypothetically if I was to file a claim on a stolen phone I could keep my original phone and sell the other one for a tight little profit? heheheh criminal thinking isn't healthy
    Please read carefully next time.
    12-18-08 11:31 AM
  18. paimon.soror's Avatar
    "Insurance fraud is intentional lying or concealment by policyholders to obtain payment of an insurance claim that would not otherwise be paid"

    that $200 you save by filing a false claim falls under the catagory of "that would not otherwise be paid"

    Insurance Glossary | Terms | Terminology | Dictionary - Kanetix Insurance Shopping
    12-18-08 12:34 PM
  19. danmcq's Avatar
    what a bunch of tightasses! so what if the kid wants a little freebie? get a life, all of you!
    12-18-08 02:09 PM
  20. paimon.soror's Avatar
    i dont think its so much being "tightasses". This is an established forum with an honest reputation. The OP is free to do what he wants and shouldn't let our words be the sole influence for the decisions he makes. However, by posting he must accept that there mayl be many that will not agree with his statement/opinions. It comes with the territory of voicing your opinion.
    12-18-08 02:15 PM
  21. Spinny's Avatar
    And "getting a life" does not necessarily mean you have to start condoning criminal behavior.
    12-18-08 02:18 PM
  22. mookish's Avatar
    what a bunch of tightasses! so what if the kid wants a little freebie? get a life, all of you!
    +1, ins companies do nothing but rape people all day anyway.

    Anyway, the op was just stating an obvious observation and regarding the false claim, he clearly said "hypothetically".
    12-18-08 03:06 PM
  23. Yankez's Avatar

    Anyway, the op was just stating an obvious observation and regarding the false claim, he clearly said "hypothetically".
    And hypothetically it would be fraud...clearly

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    12-18-08 04:20 PM
  24. latinlegacy's Avatar
    not really anything its just messing up his credit
    cause when he gets the bill plus 300$ didnt sell it stuck with a broken phone cause it goes bad esn
    he is sol
    12-18-08 04:48 PM
  25. exelant's Avatar
    It was hypothetical, so to the OP, it wouldn't work, unless you planned on stealing twice. Once from the insurance company and once from the poor sucker on Craig's list to whom you sell an unusable BlackBerry. Yes, not a good scenario for you when you get caught. The buyer will report the stolen property and with any luck, the provider will be able to put two and two together and bust you. Hypothetically, that is.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    12-18-08 07:28 PM
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